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As a ban on WeChat and other apps originating in China looms, companies who do business in China and iPhone users in the country are concerned about how the ban could impact device sales and daily device usage.

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It's still unclear whether the ban applies to the WeChat app only in the United States or if it will result in the removal of the WeChat app from iPhones across the globe. Tencent, which owns WeChat, said it believes the ban applies only in the U.S., but it is seeking clarity. The wording in the executive order is vague, banning any transaction that is related to WeChat, and it is up to the Commerce Department to work out the details.

A WeChat ban in the United States has the potential to cause a minor drop in sales, but a WeChat ban in China would be devastating for Apple as many Chinese iPhone users feel their devices would be useless without the WeChat app.

In a Weibo survey highlighted by Bloomberg, for example, 95 percent of the 1.2 million people who responded said they would switch to an Android smartphone over an iPhone rather than give up WeChat. WeChat has more than 1.2 billion monthly active users, many of them in China.

One user in Hong Kong, Kenny Ou, told Bloomberg that a WeChat ban would turn the iPhone into "electronic trash," while another, Sky Ding, said WeChat is so important that most Chinese users would prefer to swap phones. "My family in China are all used to WeChat and all our communication is on the platform," said Ding.

Many U.S. companies, including Apple, Ford, Walmart, and Disney have been aiming to convince the Trump administration not to ban WeChat. According to The Wall Street Journal, more than a dozen U.S companies raised concerns in a call with White House officials on Tuesday, with Apple included in the call.
"For those who don't live in China, they don't understand how vast the implications are if American companies aren't allowed to use it," said Craig Allen, president of the U.S.-China Business Council. "They are going to be held at a severe disadvantage to every competitor," he added.
In a recent note to investors, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said that global iPhone shipments could decline by 25 to 30 percent if Apple is forced to remove WeChat from its App Store worldwide. If WeChat is only removed from the U.S. App Store, however, iPhone sales could be impacted by 3 to 6 percent.

The Trump administration is aiming to ban all U.S. transactions with ByteDance (which makes TikTok) and Tencent. The ban was announced on August 7 and there are 39 days left before it goes into effect.

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Article Link: 95% of Chinese Users Surveyed Would Rather Give Up Their iPhones Than Lose WeChat
 
As far as I understand it, Trump is the president of the USA, so his executive order can be binding to the US territory/companies, but how can this affect the Chinese software market?
Where is Apple based? USA.
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Looks like alot of people will be forming themselves into obtaining an Android devices.
Until Trump makes Android do the same.
 
Yea I'm kinda struggling to understand this. Why would the ban only apply to iOS devices? Wouldn't Android be affected too? Or does it depend on the manufacturer?

It would apply to Google, but Google already doesn't ship any Google services or the Play Store in China.

Google don't own Android, it's open source code. Manufacturers can use AOSP without their permission, and if a non-American manufacturer wants to do so then it can do a deal with Wechat to put the app in their own store on an Android handset, and most of them already do so. The vast majority of Android OEMs aren't American owned, and therefore their non-American subsidiaries aren't affected by this.

Apple is.
 
Those in China, OR elsewhere, who already have the app on their iPhone should be OK.

It would ONLY affect upgrades, correct ???

This "could" potentially trigger a surge in iPhone 11 sales in China, & elsewhere, starting now till the Sept 20th ? Deadline.
 
Trump is so anti competitive- he does realize the US still dominates China in terms of intellectual property?

Simple example for perspective on it: Windows, Mac OS, Android and iOS are on 99% of all consumer computers and phones. Apple, Google, Microsoft, AMD, Intel, Nvidia and Qualcomm are all American companies... What does China have? Besides a few semiconductor suppliers and manufacturers.. Nothing!

So to have a petty fight over an App is ridiculous.. We’re talking about TikTok which I’m pretty sure doesn’t have ads or a way to make revenue and WeChat which isn’t making a ton of cash compared to all the major companies in the US.. So what’s the point? Why not target something a little more painful directly at China then Apps both Chinese and Americans consumers use?
 
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Those in China, OR elsewhere, who already have the app on their iPhone should be OK.

It would ONLY affect upgrades, correct ???

This "could" potentially trigger a surge in iPhone 11 sales in China, & elsewhere, starting now till the Sept 20th ? Deadline.

Probably, but if it's anything like the Huawei situation Apple will probably only be permitted to let security updates to the Wechat app work on a temporary basis, and the app is used for payments - customers aren't going to want a frozen app and a sales surge is unlikely.
 
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... Why wouldn't you just download a different app...

because you can barely do anything without this App and if you cannot do the most basic things you may end up with a bad "social score" which as a result does not allow you to buy plane tickets anymore and so on.

You can even "tip" homeless people via a WeChat QR-Code they have hanging around their neck.
 
Until Trump makes Android do the same.

Android isn't a company, it's an open source pile of code. Most Android devices in China are already shipping with Chinese owned app stores, not Google Play. There isn't much Trump can do about that.

Trump could stop an American headquartered Android OEM from offering devices with Wechat, but users could still sideload, and bluntly there aren't any major American headquartered Android OEMs that operate in China. They're all either Chinese or Korean owned.
 
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