Yep, this event will be all about the iPad and Apple TV. Pretty exciting!
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Well done captain obvious.
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I love my apple tv, I've had every single generation. Really excited for a 1080p update!
I love my apple tv, I've had every single generation. Really excited for a 1080p update!
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So that means someone(s) walked in and bought an ATV last night?
Keep your receipt.
So that means someone(s) walked in and bought an ATV last night?
Keep your receipt.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Except for with Apple, 720p has long been left behind as a max consumer standard. 1080i was "it" back in 2001 or so when I bought my 1080i HDTV. For the last 4+ years, the big push for "full HD" has made 1080p "it"... and that "it" will probably be the consumer standard for at least the next decade. It's past time to step up to that max consumer standard.
Besides, iPhone 4s and probably iPad 3/HD shoot video at 1080p. (I think) a big reason the "hobby" is getting an update is so that the video being shot can be displayed in all its glory instead of being downconverted to 720p or 1080i. If Apple was hung up about file sizes (and thus bandwidth to transport them), they would have capped the iPhone 4s and iPad3 at 1080i... or even 720p. They didn't do that... which probably tips their hand at finally embracing 1080p.
While I can see your point- even see Apple doing this- I hope you are wrong about a new max cap at 1080i. IMO, with just about every
TV competitor long since 1080p capable, it would be a shame for TV3 to be capped at 1080i. After all, 1080p hardware can play 1080i, 720p and SD software to its fullest. So rolling out hardware that maybe only a current minority can fully exploit (such as LTE in the iPad3 or iPhone 5) can still work for those that can't take max advantage of it (now).Also, I never buy the "some people have limited broadband" argument as a reason to hold back on delivering a better
TV. A good chunk of the U.S. is still using dialup but we got SD instead of 320 x 200... and then we got 720p too. Apple can easily leave SD & 720p options in the store to fit those limited to slower internet connections while adding a 1080p option for those that can make that work. Then people just choose the option that works best for their own situation. 5+ years after Apple rolled out the 720p option, those with Internet too poor to download those files still have the option of the SD version. This should be no different.Hopefully.
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stop the production line - a tall man in NY still has a 720 projector - absolutely no need for an upgrade at this time.
I agree. And as usual, there are the usual compression methods to make even smaller files.Except for with Apple, 720p has long been left behind as a max consumer standard. 1080i was "it" back in 2001 or so when I bought my 1080i HDTV. For the last 4+ years the big push for "full HD" has made 1080p "it"... and that "it" will probably be the consumer standard for at least the next decade. It's past time to step up to that max consumer standard.
Besides, iPhone 4s and probably iPad 3/HD shoot video at 1080p. (I think) a big reason the "hobby" is getting an update is so that the video being shot can be displayed in all its glory instead of being downconverted to 720p or 1080i. If Apple was hung up about file sizes (and thus bandwidth to transport them), they would have capped the iPhone 4s and iPad3 at 1080i... or even 720p. They didn't do that... which probably tips their hand at finally embracing 1080p.
While I can see your point- even see Apple doing this- I hope you are wrong about a new max cap at 1080i. IMO, with just about every
Also, I never buy the "some people have limited broadband" argument as a reason to hold back on delivering a better
Hopefully.
I also agree with you on your argument regarding limited broadband. I certainly believe that there are enough people with slow internet, but there are also a lot of people with fast internet. Apple could decide to sell movies with three resolutions: SD, 720p HD and 1080p Full HD - just like they do now with SD and 720p.
And besides, Apple TV is also sold outside the USA. In the Netherlands, for example, I dare to state that at least 95% of the population has a (reasonably) fast internet connection. I think there are very few people without a fast, good internet connection: I suppose only the real farmers in less rural areas and very small villages (e.g. a few houses).
most people won't even notice the difference and most internet connections can't stream high-quality 1080p.
seriously, the hype around 1080p is kinda sad in a way.
Wow, 1080p? That's innovation.
What will they think of next?
3D in ten years?
Magic.
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Seriously.True, but XBMC is incredibly unstable on my Apple TV 2. It crashed every second or third video file I wanna play. Half of those crashes require to unplug the power cord before the Apple TV works again. As long as these issues are not sorted, it's not a viable solution for me.
But first the new Apple TV would have to be jailbroken. But then again, I hope they introduce the App Store for Apple TV. It would absolutely crush the competition.
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Really hope the new apple tv can play mkv files. I'm on the verge of purchasing a Mac mini, but waiting to see what tomorrow brings.
Really hope the new apple tv can play mkv files. I'm on the verge of purchasing a Mac mini, but waiting to see what tomorrow brings.
I'd like to see the guts of an iPad 2 or 3 in the next Apple TV with Storage options 8 - 64GB, 1080p, App Store and a new remote that doubles as a Joypad so gamers can have proper controller support.
I'm also keeping my fingers crossed that XBMC will find it's way on to the new device as well
If it ticked all my boxes I would be happy to pay £200 for one
I'm also keeping my fingers crossed that XBMC will find it's way on to the new device as well
If it ticked all my boxes I would be happy to pay £200 for one
Why don't you show me a cheap connection capable for 25-35Mb/s download constant. Then I'll show you a use for 1080p.
Even here where it's super-cheap, a 16/1 connection runs 25/mo and that's in the middle of a densely populated European city.
The 1080p hype is vastly overrated.
edit: I just checked a few cities have a 100Mb/s // 2.5Mb/s now available for 39/month. That's actually not so bad (and includes telephone)
edit2: bring on 1080p. long live the times of 1080p!
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It seems like a possibility that Apple might come out with a new Airport Extreme.
Here is my rationalization: 720p loads slow on my ATV over wireless. 1080p will be much worse.
In this report there was mention of a mystery device in the model numbers.
Apple usually gets previews of new chipsets before they make debut and based on Wiki:
"Quantenna released[5] the world's first 802.11ac chipset for retail Wi-Fi routers and consumer electronics on November 15, 2011. Redpine Signals released[6] the first low power 802.11ac technology for smartphone application processors on December 14, 2011. On January 5th, 2012, Broadcom announced[7] its first 802.11ac Wi-Fi chips and partners."
So it seems like maybe apple could be the first to put out a 802.11ac, since it seems likely they will need it (I mean, Airplay Mirroring in HD is going to be tough on bandwidth over 802.11n).
Come out with the Airport Extreme now, Time Capsule in the next month or so. And I could see them tacking this onto the event, cause it is relevant, but not big enough to have its own event.
Here is my rationalization: 720p loads slow on my ATV over wireless. 1080p will be much worse.
In this report there was mention of a mystery device in the model numbers.
Apple usually gets previews of new chipsets before they make debut and based on Wiki:
"Quantenna released[5] the world's first 802.11ac chipset for retail Wi-Fi routers and consumer electronics on November 15, 2011. Redpine Signals released[6] the first low power 802.11ac technology for smartphone application processors on December 14, 2011. On January 5th, 2012, Broadcom announced[7] its first 802.11ac Wi-Fi chips and partners."
So it seems like maybe apple could be the first to put out a 802.11ac, since it seems likely they will need it (I mean, Airplay Mirroring in HD is going to be tough on bandwidth over 802.11n).
Come out with the Airport Extreme now, Time Capsule in the next month or so. And I could see them tacking this onto the event, cause it is relevant, but not big enough to have its own event.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Exactly right. And again, a companion rumor is that this new iPad will have LTE which is barely available when looked at on a national- and especially- international scale. Why build LTE into this iPad or the iPhone 5 until nearly everyone has LTE network speeds? Few seem to argue against LTE inclusion but many are quick to argue against 1080p files (even though there will still be the exact same 720p and SD options also available in the iTunes store).
If Apple must wait until the world's bandwidth is fully capable of delivering 1080p to nearly everyone, we wouldn't probably ever get a 1080p
TV. Meanwhile, services like Vudu.com have been offering 1080p streaming video for what- 3+ years now. Services like that stream over the exact same pipes that iTunes uses. For Vudu to still be around, something must be working in 1080p streaming.
1080p isn't hype -- hype is something that is blown up beyond reality. 1080p is nice for larger screens 50" and up. But, not essential, as you say. Most TV networks broadcast in 720p so I see your point, just think it's a bit to the extreme. As for internet connections not being able to stream 1080p, in most major U.S. cities that's not true.
It sounds like you don't understand bitrate/s.
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Actually, no US channel broadcasts in 1080p. A few satellite channels offer on demand movies in 1080p. But that's it.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
If they can put a 1080p-capable playback chipset in an
TV box and still sell it for the exact same price, who loses? If "most people" really can't notice the difference, then they can still enjoy all the content exactly as is. Better hardware can always play lessor software to it's max. It just doesn't work the other way. For those that feel like you do, they can stick with what they use now or get even better hardware for (probably) the same price that lessor hardware is sold for right now. You win.And for those apparently "few people" that can notice the difference, this will give them a way to get what they want too. Thus, more people can join our little party. So they win too.
And, with more people getting what they want, Apple sells more units. So Apple wins too.
And with more
TVs going into homes, the studios will be even more tempted to sell more of their content through iTunes so that we all gain access to a greater variety of content. So we all win.Who loses with better hardware?
It is much more likely that "most people" (really this one is a true "most people" comment) can't take advantage of LTE if it makes it into the iPad3. But so few seem to argue against including LTE. And later this year when iPhone 5 rolls out (almost certainly with LTE), most people will still not be able to take advantage of LTE then. But no one argues for sticking with 3G in the next iPhone.
Only, for some reason, with
TV do these tired old arguments of why Apple shouldn't roll out better hardware seem to fly. Nobody loses with better hardware. Those happy with 720p or SD can still enjoy their 720p or SD to its fullest on hardware capable of a bit more. Those wanting that "bit more" can simply join in on our fun too. Everybody wins.If they can put a 1080p-capable playback chipset in an
And for those apparently "few people" that can notice the difference, this will give them a way to get what they want too. Thus, more people can join our little party. So they win too.
And, with more people getting what they want, Apple sells more units. So Apple wins too.
And with more
Who loses with better hardware?
It is much more likely that "most people" (really this one is a true "most people" comment) can't take advantage of LTE if it makes it into the iPad3. But so few seem to argue against including LTE. And later this year when iPhone 5 rolls out (almost certainly with LTE), most people will still not be able to take advantage of LTE then. But no one argues for sticking with 3G in the next iPhone.
Only, for some reason, with
LOL
because then one ends up with a 199 or 299 ATV3 just like the 599 MacMini.
LTE in an iPhone. About time, every other manuf has had one for eons.
So, someone cannot say that he doesn't need it?
He did say "to me" and was not implying that Apply shouldn't update it because he didn't need, unless I misread.