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9th Circuit Rules Apple Owes Retail Workers for Time Spent in Security Screenings
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Amazing they didn't try to take 30% of their employees wages just for the privilege of working for Apple.
Absolutely the right thing to do. I understand both sides too. Sadly, thefts in retail are very common (the store where my mom worked had that problem big time.)
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I'm kind of surprised they weren't getting paid for something that could take up to 45 minutes. Heck, my hospital is paying us for the time it takes to do our health checks 😂 Sure it's only 5 minutes per health check and we're doing it 3 times a day...but hey! It's an extra 15 minutes of pay 😂
This was decided back in the 30's. Coal companies used to keep the time clock at the bottom of the shaft. A 15 minute ride each way.
For me, trust is an extremely important and personal thing. I’m not sure I could work for a company that trusts me so little that they have a “guilty until proven innocent” attitude.
Going to work every day with your boss thinking you’re a thief, until he’s checked your bag. And regardless of how many times he checks your bag, proving that you’re not a thief, they still treat you as though you are one and continue checking your bag?
I couldn’t work under that air of distrust.
Going to work every day with your boss thinking you’re a thief, until he’s checked your bag. And regardless of how many times he checks your bag, proving that you’re not a thief, they still treat you as though you are one and continue checking your bag?
I couldn’t work under that air of distrust.
I cant even believe this had to be litigated in court to get Apple to do the right thing here. 🤔
Employees are statistically speaking the thieves the majority if the time though. I dont see anything wrong with making sure product doesnt go missing when you come in and leave the work place. People deserve to be paid for it.
Yeah no one os going to do that. Its not worth the effort. By the time its the end of the shift most employees want to get the hell out of there as fast as they can.
Companies that have the same business attitude as Apple will do exactly the same thing. They will fight tooth and nail to make sure they keep all the money they can before they are forced to 'do the right thing'. I am sure Apple have many other questionable tactics going on in the work place but employees are too scared to speak up for fear of being identified and subsequently fired. This is not something that is unique to Apple though, it goes on in many companies around the world.
If a company thinks they can implement something they can get away with which will save them money, they will do it, regardless of the moral, eithical or legal implications and they will only stop when found out.
Apple minions should be grateful they're getting paid at all. Honestly, they should be paying Apple.
This reminds me of a true case from 2016 when an employee of the Royal Canadian Mint in Ottawa was eventually caught after stealing over time 22 gold "pucks" (about the diameter of a golf ball) worth almost $200,000. He set off the walk through scanner every time but the hand wand never detected the gold hidden up his backside. He was only caught when cashing one of the cheques he received from the retail gold dealer. The bank teller grew suspicious after the gentleman told her he had sold gold nuggets and wanted to transfer the cash to his parents in Jamaica. She informed the RCMP. Upon investigation they found rubber gloves and lubricant in his work locker and the gold dealer provided info about the numerous transactions. He was never caught with the gold on (in?) him but there was enough evidence to convict. I imagine the cops handled exhibits 1 - 22 very carefully.
Tell us how you figure this out in your company. Make them promise during the interview? Pinky swear? Look deep into their eyes and connect with their souls?
They don’t think you’re a thief. They know employees steal. It’s a statistical fact, and the numbers are mind boggling. Don’t take this so personally. Apple gadgets are small, expensive, and tempting.
Are you also offended by punching in and out on a time clock? After all, shouldn’t the boss just trust that you worked the time you were supposed to?
Just the same, I'd find it extremely difficult going to work for a company every day knowing that they see me as a thief as soon as I walk in the door. It wouldn't be too long before my mental anxiety would spiral out of control.
If people are okay with being treated like that, then that's for them to decide. For me, I couldn't do it.
I worked at Best Buy 25 years ago, and we were checked when leaving. Took 5 seconds. I'm reading this and am shocked that something so trivial could go to court.
I then read Apple employees end up waiting 5 to 20 minutes, and sometimes as long as 45 minutes. Screw that!!
I then read Apple employees end up waiting 5 to 20 minutes, and sometimes as long as 45 minutes. Screw that!!
If they believe you’re stealing, then they must think that you’re a thief.
Punching in and out is a different issue. It gives the employee proof of their hours worked so that the company doesn’t underpay them.
After working several years at a factory, I worked up to a higher position and it was no longer necessary to punch in and out. There was trust. Both of the company trusting you'd worked sufficient hours, and of the employee trusting that the company would pay those hours.
If they'd started searching my bags and pockets each day, I'd have left in a hot second.
Did you read those statistics? Workplace theft is a thing. It’s just screening. Don’t be so offended. When my family went to Disney my wife didn’t get offended when they checked her bag. When I fly I don’t get offended that the TSA thinks I’m a terrorist.
Your employer must treat everyone like a potential thief and criminal as many are and most will be eventually if there are no precautions taken.
Yeah, I suppose there are some people out there who would intentionally bring a bag to work just so they can be subjected to a bag check by management or security before they are allowed to go out for a break, to lunch, to school, home, or their other job.
I mean, who wouldn't want to have to wait 5 to 20 minutes, or up to 45 minutes on busy days, before being allowed to leave the store and get on with their lives?
But heeeey!! Apple gives employees a special, exclusive Apple watch close your rings achievements and a matching shirt! (and pins, in the past) ... That makes up for it.... right? .... RiGht!?
seeee? Apple is a lovely and fair company that loves their employees (...and respects them, and their time).
seeee? Apple is a lovely and fair company that loves their employees (...and respects them, and their time).