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Did you read those statistics? Workplace theft is a thing. It’s just screening. Don’t be so offended. When my family went to Disney my wife didn’t get offended when they checked her bag. When I fly I don’t get offended that the TSA thinks I’m a terrorist.
Doesn’t matter what the statistics say, I can only speak for myself. I couldn’t work under a cloud of suspicion and distrust.

I get what you’re saying and that this is just me, and that maybe no one else has a problem with this “guilty until proven innocent” attitude, but I couldn’t do it.
 
Some people here have never worked retail...people steal all the time. And it’s who you least expect it from.

Yup, I worked at a hobby shop as a teenager, and over a few week period our boss started secretly spot checking people's coats and bags in the back room. Shoddy way of doing it, but he determined about half of the people who worked there were stealing, and he waited until the end of his "sting period" to fire them all at once. I wouldn't have even thought about doing it, but even one of the guys who wasn't fired later admitted to me he had done it in the past A LOT as well, just not during that time.
 
Your employer must treat everyone like a potential thief and criminal as many are and most will be eventually if there are no precautions taken.

Yeah, and the witch hunting worked, too.
Look Ma, no witches anymore!

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Companies have been sticking it to working folks since the Egyptians built the pyramids. Why do you think people join unions?

The government entity I work for tried this at one of the facilities they run (that I don't work in) years ago. They required workers to report to their posts 15 minutes early and pass several screenings and checkpoints to get to their duty station without paying them for it. The union representing the workers sued and won. So this sort of shenanigan-ing isn't limited to the private sector.

As far as working under a cloud of "suspicion and distrust", and "guilty until proven innocent" attitude?

Try being in some sort of law enforcement these days. It doesn't matter that you personally spent your entire 20+ year career doing good things for others. Most of them people you never met, and never will again. You're instantly lumped in with a bunch of jerks 1,000's of miles away that you've never met or worked with because they're in the same line of work you are.

And I know this isn't exactly a popular viewpoint right now, but the quoted phrases above kinda compelled me to mention it.
 
Strange how Apple bends over their retail workers but yet them come here and post in defense of Apple.
 
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Yeah, because most employees are going to bring a giant suitcase just to squeeze another $10 and waste another hour

Jesus
That may be an exaggeration, but definitely need a proper policy in place. You are probably quite privileged, but there are people who will be willing to go out of their way for that extra $10.
 
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Yeah, I suppose there are some people out there who would intentionally bring a bag to work just so they can be subjected to a bag check by management or security before they are allowed to go out for a break, to lunch, to school, home, or their other job.

I mean, who wouldn't want to have to wait 5 to 20 minutes, or up to 45 minutes on busy days, before being allowed to leave the store and get on with their lives?
If they get paid for that 45 minutes, why not? The problem right now is they don’t get paid for that time.
 
Maybe Apple should just open a locker Storage Business outside the store, open it for the public but Apple employees can use it for free, and simply ban employees from bringing their bags for work. Just a thought.

You do understand that the reason most American women carry purses is because their clothing never has pockets large enough to carry the things they need to have.
 
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Doesn’t matter what the statistics say, I can only speak for myself. I couldn’t work under a cloud of suspicion and distrust.

I get what you’re saying and that this is just me, and that maybe no one else has a problem with this “guilty until proven innocent” attitude, but I couldn’t do it.
I think many people feel as you do. I’m just saying that these kinds of things is the price we pay as a society for the deeds of a small number of bad actors. I just accept it rather than take it personally.
 
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I think many people feel as you do. I’m just saying that these kinds of things is the price we pay as a society for the deeds of a small number of bad actors. I just accept it rather than take it personally.
I find it a little disconcerting that we, as a society, have “normalised” treating people with suspicion and distrust. We've forgotten little things like "benefit of the doubt", and "innocent until proven guilty".

It's a bit sad that we're okay with this.
 
I worked at an Apple Store in 2010–2011. We'd clock out, then go to the front glass doors and wait for a manager to finish what they were doing to come check our lunch boxes.

What bothers me 1000x more, I just wish Tim Cook would have responded to my email when Apple Product Security stopped corresponding to my bug bounty emails after I disclosed a bad (? less than ideal?) way to handle password protected external drives…

And the Genius Bar at the Store I helped open giving me back a scratched iMac doesn’t help.
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I think the real threat is Chinese resellers who visit Apple Stores around the world and have fake products replaced for new ones.
 
Good. Apple shouldn't be treating its employees as potential criminals. How degrading and disrespectful! I'm sure there is no shortage of people on this forum who will disagree because they belong to the Apple-can-do-no-wrong apologist camp.

Yea, get your opinion in, and then preemptively insult anyone that might have a difference of opinion. :rolleyes:
 
Did you read those statistics? Workplace theft is a thing. It’s just screening. Don’t be so offended. When my family went to Disney my wife didn’t get offended when they checked her bag. When I fly I don’t get offended that the TSA thinks I’m a terrorist.
That's a good point with Disney and TSA. Whether it's security at the airport or bag checks at Disney, a concert, or sporting event...you are considered a potential threat until the screening determines you aren't. No one bats an eye at that.
 
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Absolutely agree. I can’t believe they carried this through to this point without compensation. There should be punitive damages levied.
 
...But on top of it all, you should not hire people if you cannot trust them not to steal.
That's just not realistic. I doubt most people who haven't worked in retail management will appreciate the scale of staff pilferage across the industry. Large retail organisations even factor it into their accounts and accept a degree of it as the cost of doing business. But there are limits.

It sounds like Apple do trust their employees to a reasonable degree, otherwise they’d be using far more draconian measures. Bag checks are a simple proven method to reduce the overall level of staff theft.

You have to balance the cost of an intrusive security team weeding out the bad eggs and the cost of hiring to fill those places only to have some new hires also end up stealing. No system is perfect to prevent this. So you trust people to a sensible level and take reasonable measures to protect the business.

As for your first point. A bag check should take 2 minutes. If Apple are going to make employees wait 20mins then they need to pay them for that time or give them time in lieu.
 
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Apple is the one benefitting from the security policy delay, they pay the security inspector, so they should be the one paying the other employees for it. Just too bad that it took the courts to make it right.
 
If the employees don’t like bag searches in their own time, they should manufacture their own mobile phone and develop their own App Store, not throw their toys out of the pram.

INB4 the usual suspects.
That's quite cute. It had me wide eyed by the time you got as far as "own mobile phone".
 
Nothing wrong with security measures but as the legal ruling says, the employer must pay the employees for their time. Apple certainly makes stupid decisions at times all with the aim of screwing employees and customers. A real lack of common sense which fortunately comes back to bite the company in the ass in this case.
I wouldn't say it's a lack of common sense as such. It's a company playing extreme hardball. Pushing employee goodwill right to breaking point. They've worked out what the possibilities are from day one.
 
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I am sorry to say this here but Apple continue to sink to new lows. They are making bank like no other company in the world and yet they make their employees have to go through 7 years of legal battles to get paid an average of maybe $10 extra for this gross inconvenience. I am so sad this once greatly company has sunk to such lows.
 
I am sorry to say this here but Apple continue to sink to new lows. They are making bank like no other company in the world and yet they make their employees have to go through 7 years of legal battles to get paid an average of maybe $10 extra for this gross inconvenience. I am so sad this once greatly company has sunk to such lows.
Yep, it seems they stopped this abhorrent practice about 7 years ago so why did they continue to fight this case? Why not be honourable and moral and withdraw? Because it is Apple. So sad what it is these days. I somewhat forgive or overlook sleazy transgressions from certain other firms because they don't loudly snd publicly claim to be fair, out to protect the vulnerable, privacy driven, interested in democracy etc. etc. like Apple does. That is the big issue. They preach so much and then do the opposite. That can not be easily overlooked.
 
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This is super-disappointing, particularly because the company had promised to update their 2018 models with this functionality. I certainly would have waiting just one more year if I'd realized. I don't know made an engineering or a marketing decision. If marketing ... it will be a long time indeed before I buy another LG.
 
I bet Apple supervisors etc. will miraculously find a way to expedite this process now they have to pay. Just amazing how this works! It’s still all about money now days anyway.
 
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