9th Circuit Rules Apple Owes Retail Workers for Time Spent in Security Screenings

[Juicy Box]

I am little surprised at a lot of the posts, people act like it has to be one extreme or the other. There can be a balance of security, personal freedom within the work place.

If the Apple wants to search their employees' bags and devices, they should be allowed, but those being search should be compensated.

This wouldn't have ever been an issue if the employees were paid for their time, but Apple forced the issue out in the open by stealing time from their employees.

However, there’s potential for abuse, like bringing a suitcase every day to get paid for those extra minutes during security checks.

Once Apple started having to compensate their employees for missed time, especially if it is overtime, they would change how they do things and there most likely wouldn't be days that employees wait 45 minutes to be searched.

Good. Apple shouldn't be treating its employees as potential criminals. How degrading and disrespectful! I'm sure there is no shortage of people on this forum who will disagree because they belong to the Apple-can-do-no-wrong apologist camp.

If they are treating all their employees the same, and the employees are being compensated I don't see the issue.

I could see an issue if the employees are kept for a long time after their shift, compensated or not. At a certain point, the employee should be allowed to leave, as it isn't on them to provide someone available to search their belongings.


If anything, it is is a deterrent for theft.

Some people here have never worked retail...people steal all the time. And it’s who you least expect it from.

With the high rate of internal theft, Apple should be allowed to have safeguards in place to protect themselves against it.

What shouldn't be allowed is Apple stealing time from their employees to enact those safeguards.

 

[Juicy Box]

I bet Apple supervisors etc. will miraculously find a way to expedite this process now they have to pay. Just amazing how this works! It’s still all about money now days anyway.

Yeah, I am thinking the same thing. Especially if overtime comes into play.

I wouldn't say it is just about money though.

It is also about unethical behavior and abuse of power by Apple management, and once the employees start getting compensated for their time stolen, then it will be all about the money. I bet no more 45 minute waits to leave.

There is absolutely no reason why a retail employee should have to wait 45 minutes after their shift to be searched.

 

[Wildkraut]

Some people here have never worked retail...people steal all the time. And it’s who you least expect it from.

lol and a $2T heavy weight company can't get over +-$20k theft per year for each store, if any?
Ohhh, this was 2013, thefts must have been ruining them... poor Apple

I wonder how all the other retailers survived.
Sum up these non-sense flights they yearly did (before corona), these little thefts goes under $ wise.
It's all insured anyway.
Cameras are enough.

They don't need to insult and abuse 100% of their workers to catch the bad 0.1% ones.
It was just the typical wannabe Guantanamo Apple mentality.
But yeah, we already heard these Apple security excuses many times, from iOS AppStore jailing to AppleStore jailing. 👍

Now they will have to pay $60 million for a $1 million theft per year worldwide ?! Totally worth! 🤣

 

[I7guy]

lol and a $2T heavy weight company can't get over +-$20k theft per year for each store, if any?
Ohhh, this was 2013, thefts must have been ruining them... poor Apple

I wonder how all the other retailers survived.
Sum up these non-sense flights they yearly did (before corona), these little thefts goes under $ wise.
It's all insured anyway.
Cameras are enough.

They don't need to insult and abuse 100% of their workers to catch the bad 0.1% ones.
It was just the typical wannabe Guantanamo Apple mentality.
But yeah, we already heard these Apple security excuses many times, from iOS AppStore jailing to AppleStore jailing. 👍

Now they will have to pay $60 million for a $1 million theft per year worldwide ?! Totally worth! 🤣

Chump change to Apple to make sure employees are stealing. It's actually too bad the stealing does happen, and there is no sum to large to ensure employees are kept honest.

 

[Kevin2055]

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[sideshowuniqueuser]

Apple have become evil.

 

[Rvsymmot]

Having worked Apple Retail for 6 years and my bag checked at the end of most shifts, I can’t believe this lawsuit ever saw the light of day.

 

[Juicy Box]

Apple have become evil.

Maybe not evil, but Big Brother.....

 

[Juicy Box]

I can’t believe this lawsuit ever saw the light of day.

Why is that?

 

[Apple_Robert]

Good. Apple shouldn't be treating its employees as potential criminals. How degrading and disrespectful! I'm sure there is no shortage of people on this forum who will disagree because they belong to the Apple-can-do-no-wrong apologist camp.

If man wasn’t a flawed species, your point would have merit. As it stands, many people regardless of employment status lie, cheat, steal, and violate numerous other employee requirements.

Just because a person gets through employment screening and into position, that doesn’t necessarily mean that that person should be blindly trusted. Blind trust is foolish business.

 

[Rvsymmot]

Why is that?

Because, whilst I appreciate some may have had different experiences, out of the multiple stores I worked at my bag checks never took more than 30 seconds. I find the idea that they took up to 45 minutes unbelievable. It was always done by a security guard at my stores, rather than managers, meaning they were never doing much other than standing guard at one of the doors.

 

[Juicy Box]

Because, whilst I appreciate some may have had different experiences, out of the multiple stores I worked at my bag checks never took more than 30 seconds. I find the idea that they took up to 45 minutes unbelievable. It was always done by a security guard at my stores, rather than managers, meaning they were never doing much other than standing guard at one of the doors.

I totally believe your experience is accurate, but I also believe other Apple Stores have had very different experiences similar to what has been mentioned in the lawsuit.

I suspect that the fact that your Apple Store had a dedicated security guard probably play a huge factor in expediting end of shift inspections.

I also suspect stores that do not have dedicated security personnel must rely on managers for the exit inspections, which in turn could delay employees leaving the store.

Maybe this lawsuit will lead to dedicated security personnel at more Apple Stores, cutting down the end of shift inspection times.

 

[The1andOnly]

If the employees don’t like bag searches in their own time, they should manufacture their own mobile phone and develop their own App Store, not throw their toys out of the pram.

INB4 the usual suspects.

Are you serious?

 

[coolfactor]

Good. Apple shouldn't be treating its employees as potential criminals. How degrading and disrespectful! I'm sure there is no shortage of people on this forum who will disagree because they belong to the Apple-can-do-no-wrong apologist camp.

I disagree with this because it shouldn't be needed. It's the few bad apples that ruin the whole barrel.

#DontSteal

 

[Juicy Box]

If the employees don’t like bag searches in their own time, they should manufacture their own mobile phone and develop their own App Store, not throw their toys out of the pram.

INB4 the usual suspects.

Are you serious?

I am not 100% of the intentions of @portland_bill but I am pretty sure that post was a sarcastic jab at people that seem to be perpetually defending any action, good or bad, that Apple does.

Statements like "if you don't like it when Apple does _______, then build your own ________" tend to be the common defense/argument for any criticism of Apple.

More recently, many variations of the above statement has been use when responding to criticism of Apple's App Store policies:

"if you don't like it that Apple charges the developers 30%, then build your own mobile phone platform and App Store"

 

[Fishcake21]

That's absolutely the right decision. Can't believe Apple, being so righteous and all, would not do this on its own.

But on top of it all, you should not hire people if you cannot trust them not to steal.

It takes one ******* to **** it all up. People who pass background checks are thieves too or associated with them. Trust is earned from the beginning and not a beginning privilege. But if apple wants to take that route, be paid for it for sure.

 

[The1andOnly]

I am not 100% of the intentions of @portland_bill but I am pretty sure that post was a sarcastic jab at people that seem to be perpetually defending any action, good or bad, that Apple does.

Statements like "if you don't like it when Apple does _______, then build your own ________" tend to be the common defense/argument for any criticism of Apple.

More recently, many variations of the above statement has been use when responding to criticism of Apple's App Store policies:

"if you don't like it that Apple charges the developers 30%, then build your own mobile phone platform and App Store"

I would like to agree and hope you’re right.

 

[I7guy]

I would like to agree and hope you’re right.

Don't see how Apple can be "defended.". Let then pay by the clock for keeping their employees "held hostage" for bag checks.

 

[portland_bill]

I would like to agree and hope you’re right.

You are. Only today someone told the Japanese to build their own phones if they didn’t like the App Store rules.

I mean, that’s the ultra high level of education you are dealing with, with many AAPL stockholders or needy fools hoping someone from Apple notices their loyalty.