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9to5 calls new Mac Pro at MacWorld "all but certain"

darthraige said:
I consider myself a "Pro." And let me tell you. I'm not happy with the current ones. I want more power. I need more power for the things I do. I want faster speeds, I want more core advantage, and I want better graphics.
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I hope you realize you took that quote out of context.
 
Gloor said:
Edit: P.S.: I'm sure that you are aware how hard it is to get money for MP + display (approx. £2200) whilst being a student. So have some consideration next time you write something.
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I got my first Power Mac G5+display 3 years ago as a student, cost me $4000. Bought a dual 2.5 WEEKS before the 2.7s came out. Was I pissed off? No. I had already done a project in those 3-4 weeks that paid for me to upgrade to the Dual 2.7 when they came out. I "slaved" away on a Dual 1Ghz G4 doing freelance work for a few weeks to afford the Dual 2.5. So I know where you're coming from, I just have a different mindset than you do. I buy things when I need them if I believe the time that I spend with them until an update will pay for me to upgrade. If the answer is yes, then I buy now, and sell when the upgrade is out and the project is done. If I don't NEED it now, then I wait if an upgrade is imminent. No biggie
 
MovieCutter said:
I got my first Power Mac G5+display 3 years ago as a student, cost me $4000. Bought a dual 2.5 WEEKS before the 2.7s came out. Was I pissed off? No. I had already done a project in those 3-4 weeks that paid for me to upgrade to the Dual 2.7 when they came out. I "slaved" away on a Dual 1Ghz G4 doing freelance work for a few weeks to afford the Dual 2.5. So I know where you're coming from, I just have a different mindset than you do. I buy things when I need them if I believe the time that I spend with them until an update will pay for me to upgrade. If the answer is yes, then I buy now, and sell when the upgrade is out and the project is done. If I don't NEED it now, then I wait if an upgrade is imminent. No biggie
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Well can we end this junk now? Looking back at the older threads, this debate has been going on since at least the summer.

The Mac Pro deserves an update. Some people wait, some don't. Do you not agree with this?
 
MovieCutter said:
I still think there's a chance it won't show up until a week or two after the keynote, but thats me.
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Nope. I can absolutely guarantee that it won't show up until a week or two after I've given up and bought the current version :D
 
netdog said:
Like I said, when 9to5 calls it, it happens. All but certain is about as strong a rumor as you can get, and ...
9to5 is the best source on the Internet short of The Apple Store.
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Your obviously new (or perhaps a complete fool), to say this.

The MacPro update is indeed likely though.
 
Macinposh said:
Hello collegue!

You really should be more concerned about your photoshops performance than your future macpros... You are getting shafted by adobe every single minute,and you still seem to get all upset by Macpro.

Newsflash : You speed increase with your future MP will be practically nil in PS use compared to,say, my 1.5yrs old 4x3.00.
With lightroom you will fare better,thanks to relatively good threading.
In all the other photo related actions,be transfering pics from mem cards to HDDs,backuping,burning DVD backups,sending pics to clients via mail or ftp, will be about just as fast as with a present machine.

So when you run your new MP with photoshop, and see your 8 cores total a whopping 100% speed on most filters/actions (of the 800%) you will start to bite your face and direct your aggression towards Adobe.

And the help will arrive earliest 12 months from this date, if they have managed to rewrite the code for CS4. If not,well,tuff, you have another 18 months to wait after that. All the time,you will watch how the photoshop huffs and puffs at a whopping 100% core useage... Whoopdiduu.


Dont get me wrong.
If you have the money in your hand, you obviously wait. There might be some perks and yes,you would have a more futureproof machine.
But if the MP failes to materialize,well,you buy your workhorse if you need it.
If you dont buy it,well,then you can continue the banter.
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Hello to you, sir. :)

Photoshop speed is my number 2 pritority, right behind data storage/protection. I'm using a Dual G5 Powermac with CS3 - a MacPro of any flavor running CS3 will smoke the crap out of my current computer.

I wanted to upgrade my machine a while back, but I instead upgraded my lens closet. I recovered from that expense, and was ready to upgrade to a MacPro. But being a MacRumors guy, I knew that Penryn based MPs couldn't be too far off.

Honestly, I am a pretty ignorant about Photoshop's multi-thread awareness. I need to read up on it. It just hasn't applied to me with my G5, so I haven't taken the time to get educated.

I'm a Bridge + Photoshop guy, I just can't get into Lightroom.

I totally understand that the new MPs won't obliterate the current ones. The current ones are silly fast. My best friend is a pro photog with a Quad 2.66 MacPro with 8 gigs of ram. CS3 smokes. It's insanity. I get giddy thinking that kind of power will be mine soon.

I just feel like - for me - not waiting until the MacPro is updated is a silly move. The attempt to future-proof is important, if nothing else for peace of mind for an enthusiast.
 
Graphis said:
Nope. I can absolutely guarantee that it won't show up until a week or two after I've given up and bought the current version :D
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Could you just take one for the team and buy one right now? That way the rest of us can buy the new hardware that much sooner. Thanks. :D
 
siorai said:
Could you just take one for the team and buy one right now? That way the rest of us can buy the new hardware that much sooner. Thanks. :D
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OK. But only on the condition you all pass the hat around and stump up the cash for me:D
 
MovieCutter said:
Oh my my my, where do I start. Production houses, news facilities, freelance professionals. I talk to these people on a daily and weekly basis. They're all buying or just bought new gear. Not a whisper of "Oh I feel like I'm getting screwed by Apple, I hope they update the Mac Pro soon". No way. They're all "We need what we need now, we don't care about an update because it's not out NOW." You're idea that Mac Pro users are "forced" into a position is ridiculous. The target market for Mac Pros aren't FORCED into anything. You're projecting your own fear, frustration, and arrogance onto the professional market for which you've not demonstrated any credible representation for.

And as far as MacBook Pros being updated, more and more CONSUMERS are buying those because more and more CONSUMERS want dedicated graphics cards, bigger screens, etc. I'd say if ANYTHING, notebook buyers are getting "forced" into buying something. MacBook Pros are being updated more often because of newer technology and increased demand. MBPs are outselling Mac Pros by a HUGE margin and thus require more refreshening and attention. Mac Pros simply don't need that kind of attention.

Is there new tech out there that it can use? Sure. Is Apple feeling pressure from it's target market to update it? No. Will they? Of course. Back in the G5 days, there was incredible pressure to update the Pro desktops. But now with 4-8 Xeon processors, a 4TB internal HDD ceiling, a 16GB RAM ceiling, and 4 PCI-e slots, we're set for a while thanks.

And yes, working inside the mothership DOES give me more insight than you. And yes, working among and inside the target market (high end post production, news, freelance) for the product in question DOES give me more insight.

That being said, if Steve mentions a Mac Pro update at the keynote, I'd be happy to take all my claims back and admit defeat (I'm sure you'd be happy to rub it in my face), but I'd say it's unlikely to get a note at MWSF's keynote.

P.S. Dealing with Apple users and customers for a long time, I've found that about 97% of people don't care when the products are going to be updated. They don't even realize that there could be an update in the next year, nor do they care. They buy when they need it. So if you're WAITING on an update, it's simply because you HAVE to have the "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME" latest greatest thing available. The updates the Mac Pro is going to get will NOT have a life-altering or earth shattering impact on your user experience. Trust me.
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The point of contention is that apple is neither competitive in price nor hardware for its current line of mac pros at the moment. That is what the angst is about and what timestamp was trying to point out. Whether you or your groupies care to recognize this is irrelevant.

If you weren't as busy being an apologist for apple you'd realize that the appeals to your authority as a speaker for the desires of pro users (which seems quite a bit arrogant in itself) is nothing more than a red-herring, irrelevant to this dilemma of hardware and pricing. Since many feel the price of the current mac pro does not adequately reflect its content there is a real feeling of being forced to wait for something that does merit the high price given that apple seems unwilling to drop it. Concurrently the market for this machine extends beyond your group of friends and as such it should not surprise you that their interests and concerns are not quite as docile and homogeneous as you'd like them to be.

Even if we indulge your fantasy that the mac pro currently embodies a nominal user expectation - surpassing expectation is expected when you pay premiums for products. Have you been so abused you think you deserve less?
 
-Noodles said:
The point of contention is that apple is neither competitive in price nor hardware for its current line of mac pros at the moment. That is what the angst is about and what timestamp was trying to point out. Whether you or your groupies care to recognize this is irrelevant.

If you weren't as busy being an apologist for apple you'd realize that the appeals to your authority as a speaker for the desires of pro users (which seems quite a bit arrogant in itself) is nothing more than a red-herring, irrelevant to this dilemma of hardware and pricing. Since many feel the price of the current mac pro does not adequately reflect its content there is a real feeling of being forced to wait for something that does merit the high price given that apple seems unwilling to drop it. Concurrently the market for this machine extends beyond your group of friends and as such it should not surprise you that their interests and concerns are not quite as docile and homogeneous as you'd like them to be.

Even if we indulge your fantasy that the mac pro currently embodies a nominal user expectation - surpassing expectation is expected when you pay premiums for products. Have you been so abused you think you deserve less?
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Noodles, you said exactly what I was trying to say in my post but yours is way more elegant. I wish I could write like you. Well, its a shame I am not native english speaker. :(

Very nice post.
 
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