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There is not going to be a teardrop iPhone for any time in the foreseeable future. The design makes no sense for the iPhone.

Clearly the production problems came from trying to produce something nobody was being asked to produce

For someone who tells people to stop speculating, you sure do a lot yourself ;)

Also, maybe you should learn to use the "edit" button ;)
 
Excuse me, but there has been lowered expectation leaks.
Have you read John Gruber's blog titled "Teardrop Skepticism" posted on Friday?
Read it and you will see why there will be NO redesign.
http://daringfireball.net/

As DeathChill noted, that is Gruber's opinion piece. He still maintains in his disclosure before his opinion piece, that he personally has no idea what iPhone(s) Apple will unveil.

Personally speaking, I think the symmetry argument for no tear drop is very weak. The teardrop in digital mock-ups all seem to be exaggerated. The German physical mock up shows that the teardrop is fairly unnoticeable (although definitely present). As for holding the phone in landscape mode, I highly doubt it would make anyone hate the phone simply because one side is less than a couple of mm thicker than the other side. If anything, I doubt it would be that noticeable given the overall thinness of the purported design.
 
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Why would Apple hold an event that would be just to go over what they did in June. If there was just going to be a small update to the iPhone they would have just said it as a 'One more Thing'. I think that there's something really special going on with The 5th generation iPhone. This event has to focus and something BIG they want to add to iPhone. The title even says "LET'S TALK iPhone." I think the LETS TALK points to the Assistant feature being a major feature in the next iPhone. The iPhone 4S is not going to be an insignificant update to iPhone. Now whether the next phone will be a redesign is driving us crazy, I really would like one but chances are slim based on rumors. If there is a redesign it'll be their best kept secret for iPhone. 
 
Yes, there were part leaks.

There were case leaks as well as a few parts (white bezel).

Don't forget the photostream icon. To me, that's the most compelling evidence, because it came straight from apple.

Ah, but see, that URL about "part leaks" is about the Samsung employee who ran about disclosing LCD numbers to an analyst. If that rumor was aired during the time before iPad 1, I would say that not many people would have believed that rumor or story outright. Many would have dismissed a report from the analyst in the story, and many more would have doubted the story itself (kind of like the CNet Apple prototype story).

Also, notice how the Samsung employee claims that an Apple employee was tracking him in that restaurant. That claim doesn't seem far-fetched, given Apple's recent security measures. So I'm just saying, that is is posible that iPhone 5 security is in a complete lock-down mode. It is possible. Probable? Not sure. But possible.

I agree about the Photostream icon; it definitely raises many flags.
 
Why should the bigger screen have more pixels? Given the larger screen size, the viewing distancing will be accordingly further, and a 960x640 screen at 4" is still an amazing 288 PPI. For reference, the iPads PPI is only 131.


Cheers Mate

288 PPI wouldn't be "Retina display" by Apple standards. I think Apple wants to go >300 PPI. Anyway, on mobile phones viewing distance is not dictated by screen size. This is just a wild guess but I would be surprised if Apple introduces bigger displays on iPhone 4S. I'm betting my money on bigger screens during 2012.
 
I'm fine with the iPhone 4. I'm most interested in iPad 3 with a high resolution screen. I want an iPad screen with such sharp resolution that my eyeballs bleed!!! If I have to wait until March-April timeframe, fine, but come on already Apple, get on the ball, will you?!
 
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Wouldn't having a bigger screen with a different number of pixels force ALL apps to be incompatible, similar to the way many apps are displayed smaller on the iPad?

I think unless they have some sort of immediate compatibility (or auto mapping of pixels) thru iOS 5, it is unlikely they will have a larger screen. If they do though, all the developers will have to make 3 versions (old iPhone, new iPhone, and iPad) of displays for their apps.

The iPhone 4 screen is amazing. Most larger screens suck in comparison. Apple is not like the android cartel who just willy nilly add things without thinking them through.

Apple would have to deal with numerous issues in adding a larger screen not just slap it on like a droid makers
 
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There is not going to be a teardrop iPhone for any time in the foreseeable future. The design makes no sense for the iPhone.

Clearly the production problems came from trying to produce something nobody was being asked to produce

For someone who tells people to stop speculating, you sure do a lot yourself ;)

Also, maybe you should learn to use the "edit" button ;)

I never told anyone not to speculate. Acquire some reading comprehension. I suggest you unlearn how to use the reply button.
 
I can hear the crickets chirping and echoes bouncing off the walls in this thread as compared to yesterday's. I guess MacRumors hammering the nail in iPhone 5's casket has finally quelled most of the people who put their fingers in their ears and mumble over and over, "There will be an iPhone 5 on Tuesday". :eek:
 
288 PPI wouldn't be "Retina display" by Apple standards. I think Apple wants to go >300 PPI. Anyway, on mobile phones viewing distance is not dictated by screen size. This is just a wild guess but I would be surprised if Apple introduces bigger displays on iPhone 4S. I'm betting my money on bigger screens during 2012.

Apple did not go with the 300+ PPI display many folks anticipated in the iPad 2, so I think the possibility exists in not implementing a "retina" 4" 1920x1280 for the iPhone 5 (which presents a totally superfluous 576 PPI @ 4"). Other pixel dimensions would introduce a strange compatibility standard for the iOS line (not saying that they couldnt do some kind of 900p screen to achieve the 3XX DPI you say is critical)

Anyways, what dictates viewing distance on device if not screen size? And why does a phone's viewing distance differ inherently from similar devices (iPad/Notebook...etc). It's a paramount factor.
 
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The only thing that Apple is really behind with is screen size... I don't think that a bigger screen is terribly important but that is just my opinion, but the iPhone surpasses other devices on the Market because it is so good at what it does. Every implementation just works.

The same can't be said for competitors.
 
Look, the possibility of an iPhone 5 on Tuesday has dropped to almost zero in the past few days. The majority of people upgrading are people upgrading from their 3GS or 3G. A 4S will suffice. People with iPhone 4's don't need to upgrade because:

1) They're probably not eligible for one yet. Especially the ones who waited for a white one.
2) Their phones are not slow and have all the new features.
3) They will run iOS 5.

If you want a bigger screen at this point in time, you'll have to look elsewhere. There may be lots of phones with 4" screens, but the two iPhones on sale right now are the top two smartphones. There's no pressure to increase the screen size.

Will this hurt them? No. It will sell well, like everything does.
 
Several retailers and carriers are beginning to list "iPhone 5" on their websites, which some readers seem to take this as evidence for a redesigned iPhone. Those companies' use of the term "iPhone 5" is not referring to any particular design (tapered or otherwise) but are simply placeholders. They are simply using the term "iPhone 5" as an naturally descriptive term to mean "the iPhone that comes after the iPhone 4".
But at least on the Cincinnati Bell website it says 4" screen in the description, which would be a redesign. :confused:
 
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There will be a redesigned iPhone 5 on Tuesday :)

Give us one good reason why, after 4 years and already a complete overhaul of the phone in every way possible, would they do another redesign????

The iPhone took 3 years until they redesigned it... All the R&D that went into designing it for just 1 year??? Not a chance...

What's really going to happen like they said ALREADY!, is a major software upgrade and a non-mentionable hardware upgrade, so minimal that they didnt even talk about it at wwdc!

All the cases and bumpers and everything are geared towards the ip4, it will remain the same for the 4s to retain consistency. It's apple, takes years to change!
 
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There will be a redesigned iPhone 5 on Tuesday :)

Give us one good reason why, after 4 years and already a complete overhaul of the phone in every way possible, would they do another redesign????

The iPhone took 3 years until they redesigned it... All the R&D that went into designing it for just 1 year??? Not a chance...

What's really going to happen like they said ALREADY!, is a major software upgrade and a non-mentionable hardware upgrade, so minimal that they didnt even talk about it at wwdc!

All the cases and bumpers and everything are geared towards the ip4, it will remain the same for the 4s to retain consistency. It's apple, takes years to change!

There will be a redesigned iPhone 5 on Tuesday. :)
 
The iPhone 5ers are turning into a complete train wreck. Every time someone posts an explanation with facts that back up the 4S only (including this article), their replies are equivalent to a child in a toy store stammering "but, but, but..." after mamma says no to a new teddy.
 
I'm fine with the ip4 form factor, IF the glass doesn't break like i've been hearing about, and if they fix the antenna issue, without some form of case or bumper.. it needs to be a permant fix...
 
I'm fine with the ip4 form factor, IF the glass doesn't break like i've been hearing about, and if they fix the antenna issue, without some form of case or bumper.. it needs to be a permant fix...

Most people have not experienced these issues whatsoever. Once you hold one, it's pretty evident that the glass is solid. I can't imagine it breaking unless someone drops it on a rock. The antenna has never been an issue for me or anyone I've know with one (and I have the AT&T version). The stories are greatly exaggerated.
 
oh, and IMO the buttons are craptastic looking... be nice if they put plastic buttons and put the antennas inside those plastic buttons...
 
Most people have not experienced these issues whatsoever. Once you hold one, it's pretty evident that the glass is solid. I can't imagine it breaking unless someone drops it on a rock. The antenna has never been an issue for me or anyone I've know with one (and I have the AT&T version). The stories are greatly exaggerated.

Try a footpath or a carpet from the side of a bed. That's how friends of mine have shattered theirs; the stuff really is pretty fragile.

And don't even start saying deathgrip is exaggerated. Holding the phone in the most natural fashion will drop the reception completely within a minute - I just don't see how you can exaggerate from how bad it is. :confused:

Of course, the bumper case does get around the issue, but it also causes scuff and pock marks around a lot of the ugly metal band something chronic - not the best trade off. No redesign, no sale ... someone should get placards done!
 
Try a footpath or a carpet from the side of a bed. That's how friends of mine have shattered theirs; the stuff really is pretty fragile.

This is not true. Is the "carpet" concrete?

And don't even start saying deathgrip is exaggerated. Holding the phone in the most natural fashion will drop the reception completely within a minute - I just don't see how you can exaggerate from how bad it is. :confused:

I have tried so many different ways to replicate this "death grip" and I have not once reproduced it even when trying. This is a complete nonissue- at least for people with white iPhones (which is what I have).

Of course, the bumper case does get around the issue, but it also causes scuff and pock marks around a lot of the ugly metal band something chronic - not the best trade off. No redesign, no sale ... someone should get placards done!

I use a bumper from eBay that looks exactly like the Apple bumper. I got it for $3 and no issues whatsoever. Even if there were a redesigned iPhone 5 I do not see the majority of users using it "naked" - so I can't see the fuss over a bumper (which isn't even needed, likely).

oh, and IMO the buttons are craptastic looking... be nice if they put plastic buttons and put the antennas inside those plastic buttons...

Wait... you prefer plastic buttons to iPhone 4's stainless steel? Ha! Now I've heard it all. Is this going to be the new bandwagon reason behind people calling for a redesigned iPhone?
 
because bumpers and cases suck?

they make the iPhone hotter, bigger, less comfortable all because their too fragile...

Go ahead, down vote me... see how many ****s i give ;)
 
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because bumpers and cases suck?

Please. I'd venture to guess that over 60% of iPhone users use one or the other simply because they value the extra protection- no matter how strong the device is. I don't care if it were built of steel alone, I'd still use a case of some sort.

they make the iPhone hotter

A bumper does no such thing.


by a couple of centimeters... but wait, aren't the people rooting for a redesigned iPhone 5 wanting bigger anyway?

less comfortable

not at all- actually moreso in this case

all because their too fragile...

No they are not. But, you know, there's not much of a point in a back and forth on that point.
 
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