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You seem to be impatient for improvements in the iPhone. So am I. But where we differ is that I don't want change for the sake of it. What improvements can you point to that the iPhone 4S should have implemented?

Nevermind.

larger screen, 1gb ram, different design to the 4 to start with.

And no, I was not alone with those wishes.
 
larger screen, 1gb ram, different design to the 4 to start with.

And no, I was not alone with those wishes.

Sure, people always want stuff. If Apple implemented every single thing anyone was asking for people would soon decide they want something more!

It seems to me that what you're saying is that you disagreed with some of the choices Apple made. That's fine. But, no matter WHAT choices Apple makes some will disagree. You can't please everyone and, if you try, you usually end up pleasing no one. You end up making mediocre products because you try to fill every niche and cater for every potential preference. That's not the kind of company Apple is and we should be happy about that. There are plenty of companies who work that way, the world doesn't need another.
 
Sure, people always want stuff. If Apple implemented every single thing anyone was asking for people would soon decide they want something more!

It seems to me that what you're saying is that you disagreed with some of the choices Apple made. That's fine. But, no matter WHAT choices Apple makes some will disagree. You can't please everyone and, if you try, you usually end up pleasing no one. You end up making mediocre products because you try to fill every niche and cater for every potential preference. That's not the kind of company Apple is and we should be happy about that. There are plenty of companies who work that way, the world doesn't need another.

Its not about making better or mediocre products, its about Apple making as much money these days if you havent noticed, and if you havent, open your eyes
 
I will reserve my judgements until it gets announced.

For those of you whiny kids on this forum, you are only unhappy because apple doesn't make their phone 'wider'; If you people are such experts in what 'innovation' should be, then tell me how making a screen wider (copying android phones) makes apple any more innovative than they are today. :rolleyes:

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I don't like it. Not much else to say.

feel free to not buy one!

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larger screen, 1gb ram, different design to the 4 to start with.

And no, I was not alone with those wishes.

boy that sounded so innovative, it made me puke. ;)
If you actually read the link embedded in this article, you'll notice that this is a major redesign.

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agreed. Apple has been gradually changing from innovative to people will buy our products regardless.

because companies like samsung are really becoming more innovative right?

no, an SGSiii featuring regular spec buffs and software features that are completely ripped off from iOS isn't close to being innovative; but is it enough to convince the S-sheep? you tell me.
 
Sure, people always want stuff. If Apple implemented every single thing anyone was asking for people would soon decide they want something more!

It seems to me that what you're saying is that you disagreed with some of the choices Apple made. That's fine. But, no matter WHAT choices Apple makes some will disagree. You can't please everyone and, if you try, you usually end up pleasing no one. You end up making mediocre products because you try to fill every niche and cater for every potential preference. That's not the kind of company Apple is and we should be happy about that. There are plenty of companies who work that way, the world doesn't need another.

So based by your standards they sould stop trying all together,i mean they achived the "perfect" phone why bother anymore..:rolleyes:
Mediocre products?trying to fill every niche? are you serious?don't answer to that its a rhetorical question,they make 1 phone just 1 and a damn expensive one if not the most expensive in the market and with problems (remember antena,battery)was it because they tried to please us?:p and after 2 years what?
its not like they can change much in a phone with a full screen front,the companies you mention throw 3 phones every 6 months in the market,no one asked that from apple but after 2 years a new design is a must.
If people didn't ask for more and if companies were "why bother make something new what we made so far is fine" then gues what you would be riding now,as for apple implementing what people ask ,is that a joke?
BTW with your way of thinking if apple follows it they will be bankrupt in 5 years

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I will reserve my judgements until it gets announced.

For those of you whiny kids on this forum, you are only unhappy because apple doesn't make their phone 'wider'; If you people are such experts in what 'innovation' should be, then tell me how making a screen wider (copying android phones) makes apple any more innovative than they are today. :rolleyes:

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feel free to not buy one!

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boy that sounded so innovative, it made me puke. ;)
If you actually read the link embedded in this article, you'll notice that this is a major redesign.

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because companies like samsung are really becoming more innovative right?

no, an SGSiii featuring regular spec buffs and software features that are completely ripped off from iOS isn't close to being innovative; but is it enough to convince the S-sheep? you tell me.

The same way when she copied the screen from the smartphones before 2007?
Oh right i forget there wasn't any phone with a 3.5" screen before iphone. :rolleyes:
 
Its not about making better or mediocre products, its about Apple making as much money these days if you havent noticed, and if you havent, open your eyes

Yeah - that's right. Apple has found that you make more money by producing worse products. It's the new economics!
 
Maybe an elementary economics lesson might be valuable? This will be fairly high level and I'm not planning on going into massive amounts of detail about every possible contingency and all the various permutations.

All companies want to keep their profit margins high. There are only really two ways that a company can make really fat margins: scarcity or differentiation.

Scarcity: either you are the only company or one of only a small number able to provide the service or good that is in demand or there is a limiting factor on how much of whatever it is can be produced - scarce raw materials or a poor harvest, for example. This usually only works if the thing you provide is essentially a necessity, because a non-essential good will not be bought above a certain price no matter how rare it is (some exceptions are things like diamonds which are rare, so highly priced, but are not essential). You could be the only person on Earth who knows how to make a sponge cake but that wouldn't mean you could sell them for a grand each!

Differentiation: where there is a competitive market in non-essential goods and one company manages higher margins than others that is down to differentiation (and efficiency but for the sake of this discussion we'll assume that this is a mature market where best practice is widely known and, so, all companies are basically as efficient as each other). This is what Apple does. This means you are able to provide something that sets your product apart from the rest (either tangible things or intangible). In Apple's case you could argue that this is the brand factor but that would be a poor explanation - that brand would quickly lose it's value if Apple didn't make quality goods. A better explanation and a fairly obvious one at that, is the fact that Apple has it's own software and ecosystem to back up its products. All OEMs that make Android phones are essentially offering the same product. They differentiate a little but they can't really do anything unique - so their products quickly become commoditised and they end up competing largely on price. That's why Nokia resisted getting onboard with Android - they knew it was a one way ticket to low margins. Samsung is making money on volume but no one else is making money at all!

No one makes money by overcharging people, by price gouging, unless they have a monopoly over an essential resource. If I owned all the water in the world I could charge whatever I wanted and people would have to pay (there is a limiting factor here, of course, if I charge so much that no one has any money for anything else and the economy collapses, for example). Apple neither has a monopoly or provides an essential good so the claim that they "over charge" people is nonsense. Something is only "over priced" if people will not buy it. The definition of cash value is what someone will pay!

Now, you personally may disagree with the value I place on any given item and vis-versa. I think anyone who pays £1000 for a designer handbag is out of their mind! But then some may think my willingness to spend big money on a blu-ray and surround sound system is crazy. Value is a personal thing. But unless a company has a monopoly or no one is buying their goods at the price they are asking, to say what they sell is "over priced" is demonstrably wrong.

So, yes, Apple wants big fat margins. Every company in the world wants big fat margins. The fact that Apple achieves these margins is not a bad thing - it's proof that they create value by building great products that are unique because of the ecosystem and software that Apple makes. I would love to see someone else do this - I really would. Maybe Amazon might be the best bet here. RIM is dead. Nokia is now onboard with MS. Who knows - if MS starts making hardware in a big way we might see someone really challenge Apple in terms of profit margins and differentiation. I think that would be a good thing for the market and a great testament to the Apple ethos.
 
boy that sounded so innovative, it made me puke. ;)
If you actually read the link embedded in this article, you'll notice that this is a major redesign.

If you actually read what I was talking about it was nothing to do with the new iphone. You fanboys really really should open both eyes. You are all getting away from my point. I will buy the new iphone and this was sent from my ipad because its easier than from my macbook BUT Apple cant take things for granted because they are an industry leader at the moment, the future can be alot different, look at Kodak. But if they keep innovating and stop taking us for granted then we and I will keep buying their products. Just because someone crIticizes something about Apple it makes you puke? Really?

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Yeah - that's right. Apple has found that you make more money by producing worse products. It's the new economics!

Who said they are making worse products???
 
would love them to go back to the first version of the iPhone with the backplate.
 
One thing, this "reveal" in septemeber is going to be pretty boring.
Unless the *real* iphone 5 looks like a DUCK!

A duck, yeah! Can you see it?! Following Tim onto the stage, right on his heels.

"We have permanently solved the problem of Finding Your iPhone. When you unbox it, it imprints on you and follows you everywhere."
 
Another incident of "Design Crisis" brought upon Samsung. It just gets harder for others to compete. Maybe Motorola team can keep up, but too bad for they fired the ones responsible for the Razor design.
 
larger screen, 1gb ram, different design to the 4 to start with.

And no, I was not alone with those wishes.

Choose which one of these features to include (and say which of the features that Apple chose to include you would sacrifice). No, you can't have them all, we have to keep your hypothetical iPhone 4S affordable to the masses.

All design is a compromise, let Apple do their job and deliver the best device they can whilst keeping it within reach.
 
So based by your standards they sould stop trying all together,i mean they achived the "perfect" phone why bother anymore..:rolleyes:

that wasn't the logic at all. Nowhere in his post did he even hint that. Crappy argument tactic. :rolleyes:
 
It is curious to see so many seeing something sexy in a telephone?!? it is in no doubt a phenomenal engineering effort containing impressive creations of many dedicated people from a number of fields. But again, where is the sex in it?
 
It is curious to see so many seeing something sexy in a telephone?!? it is in no doubt a phenomenal engineering effort containing impressive creations of many dedicated people from a number of fields. But again, where is the sex in it?

Someone's bound to watch porn on it. :p
 
unibody iPhone has been around since iPhone 4

Dude, go look online. The iPhone has never been unibody, maybe you need to look at the definition again.

Unibody just means that the main structural support AND the body of the object are comprised of a solid machined piece of material.

In the case of the iPhone 4 and 4S, the structural support and the body happen to be the same thing, that's the steel band and the frame that runs through the middle of the phone. With the new iPhone, it's the steel band and the back of the device.

Anyone wanna clarify this further?:cool:
 
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I can imagine a interview in allthingsD we are skipping the crap and go directly to the juice Tim"it's an amazing phone,the best we made so far and we are proud of it" Walt " uhu,now tell me a bit about the design" Tim " well we were trying to find a way to make the phone thinner and to look more cool and less fragile" Walt "uhu" Tim " and then it hits us, stainless steel it's strong and can be made thinner than gorilla glass" Walt " I see, but stainless steel is not something new many used it before like Nokia a decade ago" Tim " not anymore they won't " Walt "what do you mean" Tim "what I mean is , Boy we patent it no one can use it anymore with out our permission and we are currently are in the middle to patent plastic" Walt " isnt it a bit to much?" Tim " what do you mean?all we want is for others to innovate and stop copying us, it is for the good of the industry" Walt " uhu, lady's and gents that was Tim Cook " .

:p :p
 
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