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A Closer Look At Today's Leopard Revelations

some things about the keynote.

at first i must say this was the most boring keynote ever.

i guess im not the only one who hoped for at least some features that
deserved to be kept secret!

the f***ing look of an OS changes with EVERY NEW OS so what kind of special feature is that? THE EXPLORER GETS UPDATED WITH EVERY NEW WINVERSION and Microsoft never called it a secret feature because everybody knows it gets revised anyway.

so where are the secret features?
quicklook - a faster preview app? obviously not!
64bit architecture is not what i`d call "feature"
piles/stacks? hmm okay - looks helpful

im hoping for multi-touch features like those seen in the perceptive pixel site
(if you have a touchscreen or some kind of pad of course)


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*whats up with john carmack from id?
he made strange noises when he left the stage (very funny)
(cry-engine still looks better even without 20gb unique textures)


*why are the people laughing when he shows the new desktop?
i think the dock and menu look good but we hoped for something really new


*aqua scrollbars?
ugly still - please change for final release


*resolution independent ui?
i never cared


*ichat/Finder screensharing!
PEOPLE READ THE FORUMS BEFORE ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS!
dozens of people said, its still in iChat (WAN) and also newly in Finder (via .mac and LAN)!!!


*why is eycandy taking such a big space in the WWDC-keynote when there are many features that are more important to developers?


*time-machine with Quicklook and Spotlight rocks hard!!


*safari3beta
never used a beta with that many bugs, i have to admit.


*we knew nearly half of the things he talked about, from the last keynote?!
i was bored til steve said, they have a premium version.


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steve ballmer was really funny though!
 
TheAnswer said:
I think it's probably a mix of both...meaning that you will be able to remote view and control the screen, but only of people in your LAN or whom have .Mac to establish the pseudo-VPN. It's a positive sign that the share-screen icon is still in iChat (as witnessed earlier in the threat), unless that is solely for iChat Theater.
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I hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure that button is to control the tabbed window view. I can't find any video or pictures to confirm it, and the old Leopard video that shows screen sharing doesn't show how you request to screen share.

One question though, had the tabbed messaging feature been announced/ shown before yesterday's keynote? If not than that is good news, because the 'mystery button' is on the old videos that showed screen sharing.
 
I followed the keynote here on MR, and then watched it when I got home at night. I was dissapointed, and didn't find anything really new or worth upgrading. Remote Screen? Don't use it. New Finder? Cool, but not a must. Stacks? Meh.
The ONLY thing that may make me want to upgrade is Time Machine - and it's still questionable 'cause I still back-up my data on a regular schedule.
And it's too early to tell; but where are the other 290 features? I'm beginning to think that Leopard is just an over-hyped version of Tiger with a few UI changes and a few new tricks.
Nothing that we didn't know from before. Somehow I suspected that these "secret features" were ballooned out of proportion, and IF there are any, he would have shown something yesterday.
 
Screen Sharing is in the new Finder

Seen in Apple's video demos of the new Finder, the "Share Screen" feature is included as you click on each of the shared Macs on your local network.

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Screen share

Strange that the new Apple page does not mention screen share as a feature in ichat. The German page still has the old demo with screen share.
 
Its only $20 dollars less then the upgrade copy of Vista I bought. Too bad its not $99. :eek:
 
yonhimer said:
Seen in Apple's video demos of the new Finder, the "Share Screen" feature is included as you click on each of the shared Macs on your local network.
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Thank you for repeating this for the 13th time in this thread alone, and posting yet another copy of the screen shot that shows it.

This makes sense from a "want to control computers that you own but are not currently in front of" standpoint, and is good (as long as it doesn't require me to pay a hefty .Mac tax).

What we want to know is if it's also available to control or view other people's computers (for remote assistance, or whatever) which was said to be part of iChat.

We've had one person who supposedly is at WWDC who says that it's still in iChat, which probably is the most positive sign. Two other people have also said, simply, "It's still in iChat", though who knows what proof this is based on.
 
imageforce said:
i truly hate people, that dont read the previous posts!
asking about screensharing all the time you stupid ****s

dude!
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I think I summed up the previous posts nicely.

I also don't think we still have strong evidence that screensharing is in iChat.

It's very clear that screen sharing is in Finder, but that only helps with machines that are either on the local network or are registered with your .Mac account (i.e. systems that you own only).
 
Personally, I'm glad the menubar has gone transparent as the Tiger one has always been a distraction to me.

I don't particularly love the dock but I really don't care since mine is hidden anyway. I absolutely LOVE the implementation of stacks though. Much better than any of the research/tech demos I've seen. That alone will improve my workflow.

Quick Look ... so simple it's brilliant. This is also something I've been waiting for as I use preview for this already in a much crappier sense.

I really like how Apple is gently testing the 3D waters. ie. Quick Look previews zoom out from Cover Flow in Finder, the dock has a 3D look, etc. I don't think anyone really knows where to go from the 2D GUI were all used to using. This is a safe way to transition and figure out what works best along the way. Smart Apple, very smart.

This year's keynote was by far my least favorite. I like what they're doing with OS X but it didn't blow me away like Tiger did (then again I was coming from XP!). It's never good to repeat things we already know as top features, especially when talking to an audience full of devs! Bad move Steve.

[Speculation]And Core Animation will revolutionize apps. Were going to be seeing a lot less windowed apps and much more non-traditional (think disco) type apps that are more fun to use and have simpler, more enticing interfaces. The computer is going to start to be fun to use again.[/Speculation] - yes I ripped that off from a Wired article.


[RANT]For those who still don't get it, screen sharing is only useful if the computer you need to control isn't in the same residence/LAN as the one you're on.

I want to be able to take control of my father's iMac from 1600 miles away and fix a problem quickly or show him how to use a feature of iLife that he didn't know about. If I have to pay for a .Mac account to get this feature you can bet I won't. The phone, albeit not as efficient, still works for a heck of a lot less.

My guess is that it'll be included into iChat so if someone has an AIM account that'll be sufficient.[/RANT]
 
Last year they thought screen sharing was important enough to advertise. Now they don't. Either their marketing department screwed up or it isn't in there. Screen sharing was going to make converting people to OSX easier... If Apple dropped it they really screwed the pooch.
 
coverflow???

Sorry, not going to go through the previous 115 posts to see if this was discussed. you may point out if it has been. but does anyone find coverflow view useful? i haven't used it once in iTunes..... and i don't see myself using it all in leopord.
 
I never really used coverflow in itunes - it looked nice enough, but the list view was easier to see more at once.

However, coverflow in finder is much more likely to get my vote - seems like a more intuitive way to browse files of mixed types looking for small details in the preview etc. Now, all we need is multi-touch to make it as natural and easy as possible (like flicking through a book as on iphone!)
 
What Happened to "Black" in Leopard?

Wow, I really like the polish Apple put on their website. But it makes me wonder what happened to the "black" theme makeover some were expecting in Leopard? Not that it was guarunteed by Apple. But at the keynote Steve mentioned the finder is "unified" or something like that... and I didn't see any black transparant windows/menus as we see now in iPhoto, etc.

Do you all think we really are still stuck with Aqua, bubbly blue scroll bars and street light buttons on the windows? I hope not.
 
sry

oh oh oh no! :) my post was an offense to the post before yours :)
im sorry if it seemed i meant you!

tommy



Ripcord said:
I think I summed up the previous posts nicely.

I also don't think we still have strong evidence that screensharing is in iChat.

It's very clear that screen sharing is in Finder, but that only helps with machines that are either on the local network or are registered with your .Mac account (i.e. systems that you own only).
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"...everyone had a wet dream,oh yeah!" j.lennon

:cool:One thing you can take to the bank, that is a really crappy day on a Mac is always ,always prefferable to a really great one on "the other spread".:confused:
Lord, even our virii, virisus, whatever, were kind of cool. C'mon, Thursday afternoon, the bookkeeper comes back from her lunch, tries to open a file and her screen starts to melt, or turns to French, it's "Jack Ass Mac!":rolleyes:
Silicon Addict, I think you and I share a love of gadgets, thing-a-mabobs, stuff like the "genie effect", stuff that is irelevant but just neat to have if it (iPhone!) serves a purpose so much the better. Actually "has to work" is key. One cool gadget that I have no use for is "Voice Mail"; $240 a year and you can't screen calls , you have no control.
It took Apple forever to add "sticky menus" and "whysiwyg" to its OS. Also Apples Extention Manager was always a limp noodle, you had have Conflict Catcher for any real control and its features like "Clean Install System Merge"became hard to live without, and its interface was, whew. I see what you mean with the run ons!
Have you noticed how the big trade paperbacks like David Pogues stuff are always soooo much more informative than manuals that actually come with the program or machine;because thyey're written by users not developer. "Sad Mac's, Bombs, and Other Disasters" , a must if you work with OS 9
It is usually 3rd party that comes up with "the goods". There was this feature in OS 9, it was just there, part of view choices, called "Pop-Ups", a really useful "gadget". I had forgotten it when , like stepping on a garden rake there is "Sticky Windows", check it out (another useful gagdet, "Google", shoulda' bought it...). Then there"s "Fruit Menus" from Unsanity Softwate best contextual menu around and do they have a dock f' you.
How about this SA, "Contrextual Docks!", or "Contextual Menu Bars" for the MenuBarNazi from that other thread!
Apples certainty in all this is that our reach will always exceed our grasp; and I don't know about you but when I saw iPhone for the first time, well, I got kind of aroused! D'ya think that's what they were after? OH YEAAAH!
Hey, we cut our teeth on X's 1 thru 4, now we'll fix 5; and I'm still wrapping my mind around that quote near the top o' the thread about a computer w/o
a MS Operating System being like a dog without twelve bricks up its ass.
FYI the "Others" portion of my SysPref panel http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=79382&stc=1&d=1184332606
 

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Ken Lipart kerect bed spallinj on thhh' flie?

ACbc said:
Sorry, not going to go through the previous 115 posts to see if this was discussed. you may point out if it has been. but does anyone find coverflow view useful? i haven't used it once in iTunes..... and i don't see myself using it all in leopord.
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What exactly do you have on your screen when you entertain? Visualizer is a crowd pleaser and certainly slide shows with music from your iTunes playlists.

C'mon yopr little educated "box" isn't a washer or power tool to be relegated to closet or banished to bedroom, it isn't after all a (shudder) DELL.. It is a vibrant, living representation of who you are and when you pull "Cover Flow "up to full screen and let it do its job it is HOT! The one catch you have to like music and Macs; if you are holding onto an adgenda do us all a favor and go back to the dark side and fester with your fetid friends.

A Note on the Keynote I bet if any of the disappointed had called Steve ahead of time and, well, he would have said something to make them moist. If you want to see a keynote tank before your eyes, watch the one on "Vista"! OY! JUst by waking up that morning Jobs pissed off half the world, and a lot of them had guns! With real bullets.
You people are looking at "Leopard" as ifit were a diamond a finite thing, and that is total CRAP! It is nothing until it is in the hands of the people who will use it, it will then change and live!

You guys are like abunch of bridegrooms who can only view the bride briefly and vicariously; some enjoy with anticipation and perhaps "practice", others are looking, "Ohm'god, her ears are different sizes!""Look! She didn't have that mole on her tukus last week, am I crazy?" "I'm bored it's always the same chick, wait she ain't a chick at all!"

"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. If you can grasp that wearing polkadot with plaid really isn't such a streach." Albert Einstein
 
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