You're assuming that all the inputs into the Health app will come from wearable devices like the rumored iWatch. But you're missing the value that will come when EHR providers and healthcare organizations tap into HealthKit. People at the level of the Mayo Clinic's CEO don't drop quotes like the one that was included in yesterday's presentation lightly. Those of us who work in mobile healthcare IT appreciate tremendous potential benefit in what Apple is doing. Others, including Microsoft, have tried it, but Apple has a higher likelihood of succeeding. Yes, this will be a work-in-progress, but that applies to everything in the tech world.
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A Look at 'Health' and 'HealthKit', Apple's New Health Initiative
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You're assuming that all the inputs into the Health app will come from wearable devices like the rumored iWatch. But you're missing the value that will come when EHR providers and healthcare organizations tap into HealthKit. People at the level of the Mayo Clinic's CEO don't drop quotes like the one that was included in yesterday's presentation lightly. Those of us who work in mobile healthcare IT appreciate tremendous potential benefit in what Apple is doing. Others, including Microsoft, have tried it, but Apple has a higher likelihood of succeeding. Yes, this will be a work-in-progress, but that applies to everything in the tech world.
What did you want? Apple is now building on a solid foundation. You really can't expect some mind blowing, game changing announcment every year...Can you? I think Apple did a nice job. A lot of cool things are happening. Future looks bright. That feeling you got in 07 when SJ held up the iPhone....Those days are over..At least for now. So might as well just get used to it. And enjoy it.
Just look at the similarity of the icons, particularly the emergency card which uses an asterisk. If they're fake, the creator made some brilliant guesses.
I only think this will do well if the person keeps up with it. Try to keep up with updating meds when you start and stop taking them, as well as health conditions. I've used iTriage and it's still on my iPad, but I don't keep up with it.
Same here, I am not looking to take on another job.
Busy enough with checking e-mails or texts.
While that sounds bad related to my personal health, I think most people unless they feel pain or have a medical condition that requires tracking will not keep up with it after a while.
What would be helpful is automatic uploads after a doctor visit, so you basically always have your up to date doctor files with you.
Comes in handy when switching doctors etc.
Innovation is change, improvement.
If you limit innovation to something that has never been done before in any way or form, by anyone, then there is no innovation.
Nest combines a proximity sensor, thermostat, clock, and display. Plus it's round, and has wifi.
We've seen proximity sensors before. We've seen displays before. We see thermostats all day long, and many of them have clocks in them. Even old-fashioned thermostats are round, and wifi has been around a long time. Nothing in the Nest is absolutely new, so Nest is not innovation.
No matter what innovation you name, someone will be around to tell you how wrong you are. And they will laugh at you for calling it "innovation", lol. Because this is the Internet, an innovative way to make fun of people.
Go ahead. Name an innovation. I dare you.
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It's kind of like a diet. It only works if you stick to it. Otherwise, you just get fat.
But if Apple makes it easy to use, then some people will find it makes their life easier. If you carried a list of your medications around with you, then filling out the form at the doctor's office would be easier. My aunt travels with a binder she calls her "football".
Who uses PassBook? I use it for one thing. When I check in for a flight, the AA app offers to put a boarding pass in PassBook. Then it's very convenient to pull out the phone at the airport and see the boarding pass on the lock screen. I don't have to print a boarding pass at home. I don't have to go to the kiosk at the airport. I don't have to stand in line at the counter. Passbook makes my life easier for that one thing.
I use a different app for keeping store loyalty cards (so they don't fill up my wallet). If the stores I visit would put them on Passbook, then I'd certainly use PassBook for that, too.
If Apple and healthcare providers make it easy to use Health, so that it makes my life easier, I will use it. It can work. We'll have to wait and see if it really DOES work.
I agree. I also think it's an indicator of what we'll see on the iWatch. In the same way users can manage their iOS apps in iTunes, I'd imagine there will be a similar tool for the iWatch where you control your notifications.
Since we are on an Apple site, original iPhone and iPad. It changed the industry and how people used phones/tabled. Before than the market was slowly evolving.
While for me the new MacPro is not innovation, but evolution, the box changed, but people's usage remains the same .
Fine line between innovation and evolution, and alot of people choose to claim that evolution is innovation
The WWDC for me was evolution of OS X and iOS, with alot of the "innovative" ideas borrowed from the industry. Nothing last night was "wow" , good progress, but no game changes.
No, it doesn't always drip (or drop) on announcements, nor does it always bounce higher within the week. What happens depends entirely on what is announced. It normally takes a day or two for any kind of investor sentiment to emerge. I'd look at the stock price a week before and a week after to judge how the announcements are being received by investors.
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wonder if siri will start taunting users with:
"get off the couch lardass";
"your getting pretty fat, must you eat pizza again"; and
"do you really need to use the elevator for one flight of stairs fatty?"
"get off the couch lardass";
"your getting pretty fat, must you eat pizza again"; and
"do you really need to use the elevator for one flight of stairs fatty?"
I thought you meant Apple products, and then saw your stock comment. You're one of those people, out to make money, not enjoy quality products.
It's innovative because they're making their devices work incredibly well together. Sending a text using your Mac, answer a phone call on your iPad. While this technically wasn't impossible before, no one did it. Even on Windows 8 via Windows Phone 8. Or Android and Chrome OS.
You seem like someone who, had they announced an iWatch, said 'How is this innovative? It's just a screen on your wrist with sensors!'
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Did you, um, watch the keynote?
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This! +1,000,000,000,000
I actually think this platform does have the potential to be of significant benefit to health care consumers but not necessarily to the fitness buffs that most people seem to assume are the principal targets.
Our local hospital and medical practices are now on their third consumer interaction platform and this one (it's on the App Store) isn't working any better than the earlier attempts. It simply stops working and closes better than half the time. If the Apple offering provides a secure and reliable method of keeping records and allowing interaction with providers it will indeed be of very significant benefit to many health care consumers.
I think the primary beneficiaries will be people like myself who care for persons with intensive health care needs, although I am sure many others will benefit as well. My 93 year old father has several doctors (dermatologist, primary care, urologist, neurologist) and many laboratory and other tests, vitals, prescriptions, appointments, etc. When it works our consumer interaction platform provides a convenient way to keep information in one place and facilitate communication between us and our providers. Our friends have a teen son who is afflicted with a rare form of cancer and their need for interaction with the health care system is even greater than ours.
I actually use such a system that works pretty well. The Veterans Administration has a platform called MyHealthEVet that provides a very effective secure central records repository and communication system. I can refill my prescription online, access my annual lab test results and make appointments with my VA provider. My health care needs are not particularly great so I'm not exactly pushing it very hard, but the capability seems to be there.
If this new application platform provides a secure and reliable way for health care consumers and providers to interact and keep healthcare records in one centrally available location, I think it will be a truly game changing improvement if it is adopted by a critical mass of hospitals and medical practices. Apple has the credibility and organizational capability to actually make this happen. Let's hope!
Plenty of people called the iPad just a big iPhone (without the phone). And people sneered at the iPhone because it wasn't a "real smartphone". And the technology was a combination of existing tech. You can't win when you claim innovation. Nor can you win when you claim "not innovation".Since we are on an Apple site, original iPhone and iPad. It changed the industry and how people used phones/tabled. Before than the market was slowly evolving.
While for me the new MacPro is not innovation, but evolution, the box changed, but people's usage remains the same .
Fine line between innovation and evolution, and alot of people choose to claim that evolution is innovation
The WWDC for me was evolution of OS X and iOS, with alot of the "innovative" ideas borrowed from the industry. Nothing last night was "wow" , good progress, but no game changes.
TouchID was innovative, even though other phones had it earlier. Those earlier phones didn't really work (except for a few devotees), but Apple's implementation mostly works (except for a few glitches).
We'll have to see which of the new features Apple announced are truly innovative (using the definition that they actually change the ways people use their phones and other devices). To pronounce them one way or another right now is premature.
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Why is no one talking about the integration of Epic? It seems like most people don't really understand the power/possibility this is going to offer up. IMO the integration of Epic, if you are in a health system that uses it, will reduce paperwork, increase quality of care and patient outcome. Being able to provide external data points into an EHR will dramatically improve the advice that will be provided by your Dr. This would also be great if you could take your records with you or even review past health issues.
Why is no one talking about the integration of Epic? It seems like most people don't really understand the power/possibility this is going to offer up. IMO the integration of Epic, if you are in a health system that uses it, will reduce paperwork, increase quality of care and patient outcome. Being able to provide external data points into an EHR will dramatically improve the advice that will be provided by your Dr. This would also be great if you could take your records with you or even review past health issues.
Yes you are correct. I am a consumer that have purchased numerous Apple products ..... and likely your developer app for them, thanks. My concern is not with the developer side of Apple, great Apps, Outstanding operating systems.
This thread provided me an outlet to express my disappointment with Apple's lack of leadership and vision. It appears Apple is trying to maintain its image with the younger generations buying Beats ..... that is not a good long term strategy. Is Apple's best days behind them? I don't know, I hope not but for now I am concerned. IMO, the best thing going for Apple today is Windows 8.
Just because Samsung held a press conference a week before WWDC to beat Apple to the punch about announcing a health API doesn't mean that they're actually ahead of Apple in that arena.
Here's the reality of the situation. Samsung said that they'll have the API ready to go by the end of the year for developers to start using. Apple HAS the API ready to go today. It has already partnered with big players in the healthcare market so HealthKit will be usable at the time of iOS 8's release in the fall.
The whole world has known that Apple was going to be ready to introduce HealthKit at WWDC for quite a while now. Samsung used that knowledge to be the first to announce a product. Apple will actually be first to deliver their solution.
And while I can't prove it, I'd feel pretty confident in betting that Apple's being working on its solution for a much longer time, based solely on the fact that they're ACTUALLY ahead in terms of development and release date. So no, Apple's not actually copying Samsung just because they don't feel the need to be the first to tell everyone about it.
Where to start. First off, people will probably wear ONE monitor continuously for tracking activity/sleep (and possibly pulse). There are plenty of solutions for this already, and third party reviewers test those devices to make sure they work as advertised. That's why it's important to research before buying a device.
Other measurements will be taken by devices that people already use intermittently. People with diabetes who are already using blood sugar monitors will still use them as they currently do. Same with blood pressure cuffs. Or scales you step on once a day to get your weight. The difference is that these devices will auto sync via HealthKit so you don't have to manually track the results -- your history from all of these different devices will be stored in one place.
As for accuracy concerns, that's nothing new. If you're using a blood sugar monitor or blood pressure cuff, you're still already depending on those devices to give you accurate results. That's why apple is partnering with existing device manufacturers instead of building their own. These devices are regulated, and the companies who build them already deal with those regulations. The introduction of HealthKit doesn't change anything.
As for the "all the time" thing, devices like FitBit already deal with this. That's also why Apple developed the A7 co-processor, so that continuous measurements could be taken with a component that draws very little juice. That's a solved problem.
I don't know what you're talking about, but I absolutely hate the Withings Health Mate app and would love to replace it with this. Third party hardware accessory maker, do your job and integrate with my OS of choice! Hurry!!
I have found every iteration of the iPhone and the iPad innovative.
I wake each day to marvel at the power and accessibility of these devices, and to wonder how I lived without them.
If apple didn't have a vision, they wouldn't have introduced the crazy developer tools they did yesterday. A company without a vision doesn't develop something like sprint, which will likely very shortly become a threat to gaming consoles (2-4 years). They wouldn't have announced an initiative for product designers to allow their devices to hook into an ecosystem of 800+ million ready to go devices without having to worry about the insane fragmentation (in terms of feature sets and hardware) that exists on the Android side.
If they didn't have a vision they wouldn't have just announced the most comprehensive seamless experience between devices that the computing world has ever seen.
It seems that the ones without a vision are those who think that yesterday was a "meh" announcement, ignoring the fact that WWDC is no longer a place for consumers, but for the developers to implement new technologies that will continue (in this case accelerate dramatically) to provide a cohesive ecosystem that simply cannot be matched under the business models that Apple's biggest competitors use.
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It's up to the individual
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Empty carbs
What's your body fat?
Maybe apple is thinking of this as a platform like the App Store, airplay etc where different third part devices can fill in different aspects.
Maybe iWatch is intended as one major device which will start filling in the info but not seen as the only.
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By the way impedance or caliper methods are incredibly inaccurate.
I just did mine with those two and compared to DEXA method which is much much more accurate since it measures density from diffraction and calculates fat from the differential density of fat vs bone vs muscle and the result was totally different.
Maybe iWatch is intended as one major device which will start filling in the info but not seen as the only.
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By the way impedance or caliper methods are incredibly inaccurate.
I just did mine with those two and compared to DEXA method which is much much more accurate since it measures density from diffraction and calculates fat from the differential density of fat vs bone vs muscle and the result was totally different.