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Trust me if you ever live in Europe you'll understand..North Americans are always trying to mimic European standards. A good example is wine..What's all the fuss about wine over here,and the wine snobs that call them selves conoisseurs?? In Europe there's no fuss it's just a way of life. That's one of the reasons I long so much to go back:(
What are the "boards"?

Wine has become an odd topic. Many middle-aged American men now have fetishes with wine for some reason (like in that Sideways film.) Since I'm still a minor, I can't really comment on wine, but just judging by the annual glass (or two) at Thanksgiving and Christmas, I can't tell much of a difference between the good and the bad.

I think it is expected for Europeans to truly have a sophistication for wine; it's part of their culture. I also think that the reason why alcoholism isn't such a problem in Europe among young people is because it's such a cultural thing and is not that big of a deal.

What else makes Europeans more "sophisticated"?
 
A side story: I was in Canada a while back with some friends, and we were walking down the street in what I thought was normal clothing - nothing obviously American - and some kids driving down the street said something to us negatively about being American. Not sure what it was exactly, but it made me confused. Maybe our style of clothing was obviously American? I guess I didn't think Canadians and Americans dress that different. Any Canadians want to offer their viewpoint?

There are subtle differences. You don't know what they are, and these kids didn't, but you can still see them.

I read an amazing claim in one doctoral thesis about detecting liars in court: Habitual liars hide the obvious signs of lying. But it only works in their own culture! Like some politicians are good at lying, but Europeans can pick out US politicians that are lying, and Americans can pick out European politicians that are lying.
 
I think it is expected for Europeans to truly have a sophistication for wine; it's part of their culture. I also think that the reason why alcoholism isn't such a problem in Europe among young people is because it's such a cultural thing and is not that big of a deal.

1. i actually don't like wine at all and can't really taste the differences
2. actually misuse of alcohol is a problem ... especially underage drinking

the difference is how the problem is handled

at least that's my guess


oh and i found the "3 quarter pants" equally stupid so not everybody wears those ... more like the usual fashion victims who don't know what they are doing


that said if you want to get a better impression what people are wearing you might look at the localized homepages of the stores where many younger europeans by (not all) go for their day to day clothes

personally i normally buy stuff in the retail stores from
http://www.c-and-a.com/
http://www.hm.com/
http://www.newyorker.de/pages/de/fashion.html
http://www.s.oliver-shop.de

yeah no 40 euro tshirts for me

(though i have to admit i have 1 Lacoste Polo .. but with Tag-Heuer logo ;) )
 
To us, eating out must be a treat and not a speed exercise. We like to take our time but that’s not how it’s done there. You must be quick to order and even quicker to settle the bill and leave as soon as you’re finished. Otherwise, you’re taking up valuable restaurant real-estate by just sitting there. :mad:
In the US, servers make some ungodly low hourly wage ($2.13?) and depend on customers tips for the rest of their salary. The more tables they can turn, the more money they stand to potentially make. I've never had a server rush me, but I don't usually stay around long after I'm done either.

In Germany, we had the exact opposite experience. After you're done eating, they seem like they're quite OK with you sitting at their table for the rest of the evening. It was odd having to ask for the check, and I still don't quite understand how you're supposed to tip. Some people said to just round the check up to the next Euro (and that overtipping was bad), others said that the tip was included and to not worry about it. :eek::confused:
 
In the US, servers make some ungodly low hourly wage ($2.13?) and depend on customers tips for the rest of their salary. The more tables they can turn, the more money they stand to potentially make. I've never had a server rush me, but I don't usually stay around long after I'm done either.

In Germany, we had the exact opposite experience. After you're done eating, they seem like they're quite OK with you sitting at their table for the rest of the evening. It was odd having to ask for the check, and I still don't quite understand how you're supposed to tip. Some people said to just round the check up to the next Euro (and that overtipping was bad), others said that the tip was included and to not worry about it. :eek::confused:

To avoid situations you described (servers have to come by on tips), in many European countries, and indeed in The Netherlands, VAT (sales tax) and an amount reserved for tips is included in the price of meals and drinks. By law. If you are satisfied with the meal or the service, it is up to you to tip. I usually do the ‘rounding off’ trick plus one or two Euro. The problem with this that is has become all but meaningless because a lot of people tip out of habit. And in this cut-throat world of competition, service has taken a back seat to pricing. At least in our part of the world. :(
 
This is such a weird thread. Why the compulsion to blend in?
I'll agree to the blending when it comes to the 'no talking or smiling on the tube' rule though. Don't do that. It is the single way any londoner preserves their dignity in what is mostly a very unpleasant form of transportation. It's the place where millions of people come together to mentally separate and pretend they are some place entirely different. Smiling, talking or even eye contact breaks that mental escape. That's just not on.

Condensing the rest of the world's population down to Europeans and Asians is a good indicator. ;)
+1

A dead giveaway that you're American (well, from anywhere that's not the UK) is that in a public place, you'll stop in the middle of the street, completely oblivious to the hundreds of people moving towards you, staring at something as if it's the second coming. Usually with sunglasses on, and looking upwards. As for Buckingham Palace... can't you just not go to defy convention? And stop paying £1.50 for a Twister in the adjacent park, you make life unbearable for the rest of us!
People in general do this, tourist or not. Example: Oxford street - This is the place where people who have mastered the act of walking like an idiot come to shop in droves.
Twunts are everywhere.

At least we don't have a bible in one hand and a machine gun in the other! ;):D
:D
 
Yeah, I was pretty amazed at how many people in Germany smoked, and how most restaurants didn't have non-smoking sections. But yet their grocery stores feature a lot of "all natural" products. Guess it balances out? :) As for Americans being over-weight, while true, I'd be curious to see how many pounds some Europeans would pack on if they stopped smoking. <ducking> hehe

JNG already commented on this, I think, but I was also surprised about how much attention Germans spend on their hair. I'd be very surprised if they didn't use the highest amount of hair gel per capita. Even the babies were sporting faux-hawks!!! :eek:

They seem to think that sugar is evil but nicotine and alcohol are wonder foods! It's absurd. Then again, they still think that you get a cold from being cold. :rolleyes:

Well, they'll probably catch on in another ten years or so. :D

I love the babies with hair a la David Beckam. I just think it's great!

FYI for all the people bashing the Europeans for smoking, the Germans are overall still far healthier than Americans. And even if they stopped smoking, many would not become overweight. And more importantly as of Sept 1, 2007, smoking is prohibited in all German train stations except for designated areas on platforms (only on open air) and 100% banned on trains. 10 years? No. They're changing the laws now, but they vary from Bundesland to Bundesland. Starting January 1, 2008 in Bavaria for example, smoking will also be banned in public places including bars and restaurants. But special exceptions are made for Oktoberfest. ;)

I don't think smoking has to be a huge health problem. Certainly it's healthier not to smoke. But the problem is that Americans smoke, lead sedentary lifestyles and eat too much. The only real problem I have with smoking in a public place is smelling it when I'm eating or coming home from a club or bar and smelling like an ashtray.

Also, re: the 10 years remark. You have to have a greater understanding of how German politics and bureaucracy works to understand why it takes al ong time to enact something like this. In the US, Mayor Bloomberg can just ban smoking or even trans fats in his area of jurisdiction, in this case, New York City. It's not so simple in Germany. Despite the efforts to introduce a nationwide ban on public smoking, state politics among other things are in the way.


As for alcohol, it IS a problem among young people. I was visiting the Buchenwald concentration camp about 2 years ago and a student on a class trip was puking all over the parking lot, piss drunk. And his teachers were very ashamed.

I think drinking among college students, however is more sophisticated, at least where I studied and it was common sense that people don't drink and drive. Obviously, it helps to have great public transportation. I also mean sophisticated in the sense that parties are not about quantity (cheap beer) but rather great tasting drinks.


What else makes Europeans more "sophisticated"?

Sophistication cannot be limited to dress, tastes, etc. I think the greatest asset many young Germans have is their awareness of the world. The Germans are the most traveled nationals in the world and also in their schools they learn a greater deal about life in other countries. I work at a school and the head of the English department knows more about American politics and the upcoming election than I do, which is somewhat embarrassing but completely true.

Europeans as a whole have a greater understanding of world cooperation and coexhistence than Americans by virtue of the fact that they live in Europe amongst so many other countries. Americans are isolated in North America (Canada might as well be American in the U.S. sense too) and are ignorant of many things, for example the environment, etc.
 
Well take it from someone who lives in Europe there's no distinct "European way" of shaking hands.


However, there is an 'European' and 'American' way of folding/crossing ones legs.

European: knee on knee.

American: ankle on knee.

I do both subconsciously, read into that what you will! :eek: ( ;) )
 
Wine has become an odd topic. Many middle-aged American men now have fetishes with wine for some reason (like in that Sideways film.) Since I'm still a minor, I can't really comment on wine, but just judging by the annual glass (or two) at Thanksgiving and Christmas, I can't tell much of a difference between the good and the bad.

I think it is expected for Europeans to truly have a sophistication for wine; it's part of their culture. I also think that the reason why alcoholism isn't such a problem in Europe among young people is because it's such a cultural thing and is not that big of a deal.

What else makes Europeans more "sophisticated"?
Well said. Food!
 
not well said because alcoholoism IS a problem among young people (at least in Germany). It's just not part of the stereotype like the American stereotype.

Although this is true, even more so over here, I say: relax, neighbor! Enjoy life, with or without alcohol or (good) food. Every (well, almost every) country has its stereotypes and people with or without class and style. :D
 
I think the stereotype of of the "loud American" first came about when American middle class prosperity allowed the kind of international travel that was once reserved for the upper crust in all countries. People that had never left their small town were now wandering about Rome. Now that people all over travel, people in tourist destinations can enjoy English stag parties, German football hooligans and small-town non-sophisticates from every country. But the loud Americans were first!
 

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Although this is true, even more so over here, I say: relax, neighbor! Enjoy life, with or without alcohol or (good) food. Every (well, almost every) country has its stereotypes and people with or without class and style. :D

Life tastes better with good alcohol. Once you've had the good stuff, you can't go back. ;)

Yeah, speaking of lacking class or style, some of my German female colleagues do not shave (legs and pits). That I cannot understand.
 
Life tastes better with good alcohol. Once you've had the good stuff, you can't go back. ;)

Yeah, speaking of lacking class or style, some of my German female colleagues do not shave (legs and pits). That I cannot understand.

Man, remarks like that WILL drive me to the bottle! :cool: Sorry, a little OT but well, alcohol was mentioned in several replies.... Are you an Oktoberfest visitor? O'zapft is!
 
New York City is a pretty cool city. I also advise you to see the great wide open west. Like everywhere in the world, there's more to a country than its cities.

I'm actually planning a round trip of the USA, starting in FL, going through the circumference and 29 states to arrive back in FL. Should take about 40 days. :)
 
I'm actually planning a round trip of the USA, starting in FL, going through the circumference and 29 states to arrive back in FL. Should take about 40 days. :)


Cool!

I fly into Los Angeles in April 2008 and out of New York in June 2008. Can't wait.

:)
 
I thought of this thread today. On the tube I saw a group of people. Just a hunch told me they were american. I turned down my iPod to hear them speak. Sure enough. Funny that, eh?


Prior to that I broke tube rules™ A girl sitting across from me was rummaging through her bag, so was I. We both took out iPod shuffles and noticed this and smiled at each other simultaneously. (hers was orange, mine red) Then it was straight back to the bored "god I hate the tube" glare the rest of the way.
 
Prior to that I broke tube rules™ A girl sitting across from me was rummaging through her bag, so was I. We both took out iPod shuffles and noticed this and smiled at each other simultaneously. (hers was orange, mine red) Then it was straight back to the bored "god I hate the tube" glare the rest of the way.
Tube rules™ are there for a reason. I once had someone next to me start a conversation with "Nice shoes" and when I grunted a reply in return he went into full chat mode. I at first thought he was trying to come on to me, but the Gaydar was registering negative which was a bit confusing. Turns out he was trying to sell me god, which was about as welcome as a lead fart.

So don't acknowledge people on the Tube. It's for your own sanity.
 
european guys dress much more feminine what with their tapered black jeans and whatnot.

It seems male purses are also more prevalent there - which is a good thing because gawd, i would so sport male purses if it was socially acceptable here in the U.S..
 
Tube rules™ are there for a reason. I once had someone next to me start a conversation with "Nice shoes" and when I grunted a reply in return he went into full chat mode. I at first thought he was trying to come on to me, but the Gaydar was registering negative which was a bit confusing. Turns out he was trying to sell me god, which was about as welcome as a lead fart.

So don't acknowledge people on the Tube. It's for your own sanity.
:D Oh I know. I learned the hard way too, several months back. We were stopped at a station for quite a while then the driver announced we were delayed because of an incident. I said "shi*" out loud (kind of to myself) My one word inspired some drunken suit to ask me where I was going, blah blah blah. I eventually nodded to everything he said with a "****" look on my face and put my iPod on and he got the hint but it was damn irritating for a while there.
I adhere to the rules. I slipped just this once, honest!
 
:D Oh I know. I learned the hard way too, several months back. We were stopped at a station for quite a while then the driver announced we were delayed because of an incident. I said "shi*" out loud (kind of to myself) My one word inspired some drunken suit to ask me where I was going, blah blah blah. I eventually nodded to everything he said with a "****" look on my face and put my iPod on and he got the hint but it was damn irritating for a while there.
I adhere to the rules. I slipped just this once, honest!
But you're allowed to talk to your husband. It's just strangers you're supposed to ignore.
 
Conversely, whenever we speak to Londoners who are visiting these parts one thing they always comment on – without fail – is the fact that some random stranger talked to them on public transport. They always seem really surprised by it – it's quite sweet, really. :)
 
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