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A remote app update?

So as I said in another thread, how exactly are you supposed to enter 'real' passwords that you need to copy and paste? No one types those in, they are generated by a password manager (like 1Password) and copied and pasted. As we used to do with the Remote App in the ATV3. This is literally insane.

Unless Apple expects all the apps to have the new style of setup where you go to a website and enter a five character code from the ATV to activate it... But I'm not seeing that being the case.

Well, I have two of them coming. And two weeks try them out and see if this is workable. Good grief, based on what I'm seeing so far.
 
leesweet said:
So as I said in another thread, how exactly are you supposed to enter 'real' passwords that you need to copy and paste? No one types those in, they are generated by a password manager (like 1Password) and copied and pasted. As we used to do with the Remote App in the ATV3. This is literally insane.

Unless Apple expects all the apps to have the new style of setup where you go to a website and enter a five character code from the ATV to activate it... But I'm not seeing that being the case.

Well, I have two of them coming. And two weeks try them out and see if this is workable. Good grief, based on what I'm seeing so far.
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I have to say it is a total mess. I think it is such a level of mess that i emailed tim cook to let his office know. Every analyst has been wondering when apple would make a mist step. I have to say this is it right here. Its not the watch its not some pink iPhone its not having a freaking keyboard to enter passwords or even text search in youtube. What i am supposed to hunt and peck in youtube when i want to find something. This is beyond ridiculous I am already boxing mine up to return this weekend. With a support page update stating it is not supported i am not going to hold out hope for a quick turn around on a workable solution to this issue.
 
I would keep the current remote app for legacy, it's redundant outside of using the keyboard.

Hopefully a new app will be born, maybe call it Apple TV and mirror the screen of the tv for search or input. Being able to navigate read and search right on your iPad or iPhone seems obvious to me.

Why should we need to look our tv screen and use that TV remote when I have a great screen right in front of my eyes that is super easy to navigate and has a keyboard.
 
betabeta said:
I would keep the current remote app for legacy, it's redundant outside of using the keyboard.

Hopefully a new app will be born, maybe call it Apple TV and mirror the screen of the tv for search or input. Being able to navigate read and search right on your iPad or iPhone seems obvious to me.

Why should we need to look our tv screen and use that TV remote when I have a great screen right in front of my eyes that is super easy to navigate and has a keyboard.
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It's not redundant, such is the poor construction of the ATV4 software. It's still essential.
 
LiquidRadio said:
It's not redundant, such is the poor construction of the ATV4 software. It's still essential.
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Yeah, it's a huge oversight not to have something ready.
Just saying the swiping part is redundant now with the new remote, so they should have made a new app for the new Apple TV that shows what we see on the TV right on your iPad would make input and navigation amazingly easy.

Have no idea what they are thinking, should have been much better.
 
If you don't have passwords that are hard to enter with the ATV4 keyboard, then you have much larger problems. I'm not joking. Any good modern passwords cannot be typed on a swipe and click keyboard easily, they are copied and pasted from a password manager, as we used to with the Remote App.

As I posted elsewhere, someone on the design team was under the impression that all apps would use the new paradigm of setup where you bring up a screen, it shows you a 5 digit code and you then use that code on your PC/Mac to activate the service/app on the website for the app/service in question.

That would be fine if so. It is not. We still need a mirrored data entry method on an iOS device.
 
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leesweet said:
If you don't have passwords that are hard to enter with the ATV4 keyboard, then you have much larger problems. I'm not joking. Any good modern passwords cannot be typed on a swipe and click keyboard easily, they are copied and pasted from a password manager, as we used to with the Remote App.

As I posted elsewhere, someone on the design team was under the impression that all apps would use the new paradigm of setup where you bring up a screen, it shows you a 5 digit code and you then use that code on your PC/Mac to activate the service/app on the website for the app/service in question.

That would be fine if so. It is not. We still need a mirrored data entry method on an iOS device.
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Its killing me.

Had to type password in again this morning for a free app. F me.
Least it promoted to let me skip passwords for future free apps.
 
betabeta said:
Yeah, it's a huge oversight not to have something ready.
Just saying the swiping part is redundant now with the new remote, so they should have made a new app for the new Apple TV that shows what we see on the TV right on your iPad would make input and navigation amazingly easy.

Have no idea what they are thinking, should have been much better.
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Good idea.

Convergence is what everyone should be working to, and I thought they were. To have remotes on our mobiles makes everything so make easier. Apart from the keyboard function etc., I hate having lots of handsets laying around. I can't really believe Apple didn't think about this. If they didn't they're cretins. There must be a good reason. Perhaps it's just delayed, although it can't be a difficult app to construct (or update.) If nothing comes in the next week then they've lost the plot.
 
LiquidRadio said:
Good idea.

Convergence is what everyone should be working to, and I thought they were. To have remotes on our mobiles makes everything so make easier. Apart from the keyboard function etc., I hate having lots of handsets laying around. I can't really believe Apple didn't think about this. If they didn't they're cretins. There must be a good reason. Perhaps it's just delayed, although it can't be a difficult app to construct (or update.) If nothing comes in the next week then they've lost the plot.
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Yeah, it's not like they haven't had years to get this right.
 
Getting the Remote iOS app updated to work with the new Apple TV is something that should be priority one for them right now. This should have been ready to go at launch and hopefully the powers that be at Apple will put some heavy pressure wherever it takes to make it happen ASAP.
 
Who says it's happening at all? Ever? As I've said, they may be depending on apps using the 'enter this code on our website and app will be activated' method. No need for old-fangled app. :)
 
Wonder if Apple would allow something like 1Password on the phone to fill in passwords on ATV? That would be cool. Unlock on phone with TouchID, select password, share sheet to push to ATV.

-Kevin
 
They definitely could, since the database is/can be in iCloud. But I still think the original point is that they expected data entry to never be needed. And the stars didn't align. :D
 
So how do i search youtube then. Siri does not take dictation. This is just a total Load of crap. I can do dictation on my iPhone. I can do it on an iPad. I do not get it apple. This is why my apple tv is already back in the box and heading back to apple sunday.
 
Webwolf2002 said:
i just ordered the new Apple TV. Is there a new app coming?
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I've already been through this question with apple support and from what they said there is no plan to update the app. I've already returned my 4th gen @TV because of that incredibly short sighted omission.
 
If I recall....I believe it was a single employee that coded and maintained that app. Maybe he/she is gone.

Still can't believe Apple is making the experience worse for users. Seems they don't ever just sit back and take the time to understand HOW users use their devices.

-Kevin
 
netnothing said:
If I recall....I believe it was a single employee that coded and maintained that app. Maybe he/she is gone.

Still can't believe Apple is making the experience worse for users. Seems they don't ever just sit back and take the time to understand HOW users use their devices.

-Kevin
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Maybe Apple could throw a few thousand at a high school kid to recode it.
Not sure they can spare that kind of cash.
 
Hildy said:
I've already been through this question with apple support and from what they said there is no plan to update the app. I've already returned my 4th gen @TV because of that incredibly short sighted omission.
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Great. Like I've said if this is the case they needed to *require* that all apps use the 'here's the code, go to our website to activate your service' method. And also require you to activate iCloud/App Store once and only once.
 
Hildy said:
I've already been through this question with apple support and from what they said there is no plan to update the app. I've already returned my 4th gen @TV because of that incredibly short sighted omission.
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That's ridiculous if true.

One of the annoyances with the Amazon Fire IOS app is not allowing copy + paste of passwords.
 
s2mike said:
They really need to update the remote app to handle Apple Music, too.
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THIS. Remote is one of the most chronically ignored apps in the entire apple ecosystem. For those who rely on it (like we do, for a whole-house music system) it's a real pita.
 
You'd think Apple would have done something like......for any text field, send a request to a registered phone with a simple dialog box allowing you to enter the info in the field.

-Kevin
 
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Turns out you can transfer wifi settings and iCloud info from iOS to ATV4
 
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No you can't, not fully, at least if 2FA is up. It takes the wifi info and then it prompts you for the iCloud password and there is no way to multitask off the prompt to get a password out of say 1Password and paste it in.

'Account info' there may mean the Apple ID. Not sure what they are referring to. Does this work for those without two factor?

In any case, I even rebooted it, got the password copied, redid the setup, and I still couldn't paste.

This needs to be rethought totally. To the point where it always lets you use the phone for these passwords and lets you flip to another app and copy/paste things in.

Apps can be worked around where they have a code and are activated elsewhere. The Apple ID case, needs handling if we are going to be prompted over and over. I've had to do it three times now and if that's all, okay (initial, App Store, and iTunes preorder. I set 'never ask' for purchases).
 
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