A11 Chip's 6-Core Architecture Highlights Apple's Continuing Push Into Heterogeneous Computing

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    In the recent leak of information from Apple, a device tree shared by Steven Troughton-Smith and containing information specific to the iPhone X was used to glean CPU code names, presence of an OLED display, and information on many other things. Contained within that information were also specific details regarding the architecture behind Apple's new CPU cores, dubbed "Mistral" and "Monsoon." From this, we know that the A11 contains four Mistral cores and two Monsoon cores, and it's worth taking a technical look at what Apple might be up to with this new chip.

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    While the two Monsoon cores are clear follow-ons to the two large "Hurricane" cores in the A10, the Mistral cores double the small core count of two "Zephyr" cores in the A10.

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    September 2016 event slide on the two Zephyr cores in the A10

    Annotated die shots ultimately revealed that the small Zephyr cores appeared to be embedded within the larger Hurricane cores, taking advantage of their geographic location by sharing memory structure with the Hurricane cores.

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    Chipworks/TechInsights annotated A10 die photo showing small Zephyr cores embedded within large Hurricane cores (right)

    The Mistral cores appear to be a departure from the above scheme, at the very least in that they have doubled in count. Specific references in the device tree are also made to memory hierarchy, suggesting that they contain independent L2 caches, meaning the Mistral cores could be more independent than their A10 ancestors.

    This independence is underscored by the fact that the Mistral cores share a common "cluster-id" property, while the Monsoon cores share a distinct cluster-id of their own. Immediate comparisons were drawn to ARM's big.LITTLE heterogeneous CPU core scheme with the A10, and this seems to be going further down that path with distinct operating states for each cluster of cores. However, those leveraged shared resources in the A10 were to a certain benefit, namely die space and power consumption. The cores becoming more independent is more like a traditional big.LITTLE approach, which also entails more overhead.

    This all may be an oversimplification, of course. After all, we know that each of these CPU cores is independently addressable, meaning that nothing revealed so far indicates an active Mistral or Monsoon core (or cluster) precludes the other CPU type from also being active, opening the door for mixed processor scenarios. Apple could have decided to spend effort, either in hardware, compilers, or both, to segregate instructions by complexity and ultimately forward them to the core that would execute them mostly efficiently.

    Tackling problems in this manner would be another example in a long list of Apple's attempts to improve instruction execution efficiency through microarchitecture enhancements.

    Any architectural changes ultimately circle back to improvements in some way. If Apple is making a change that includes doubling the amount of lower power cores, it seems inevitable it's ultimately spending more die space to do so, particularly if they have their own cache structures from L2 and down.

    Yet, as pointed out by AnandTech editor Ian Cutress, ARM has begun allowing for configurable cache sizes for its offering of cores. In this specific case, a non-existent L2 cache is a valid configuration, meaning the increase in die space may not be as much as it initially seems with the small core count growth.

    It's important to remember that Apple is not bound to these ARM conventions, but they are an indication of where the industry is headed. It's also important to remember that the shared L3 cache is always sitting above all of the cores, along with the GPU and image signal processor. Ultimately, these architectural changes likely boil down to a performance per watt increase, instructions per clock cycle increase, or perhaps both. Given that the small tasks a Mistral core might be activated for would likely not expose the parallelism needed for all four cores, it seem some interesting usage scenarios are a strong likelihood with Apple's A11 SoC.

    To give the mixed-core ensemble of the A11 context, modern CPUs aggressively manage performance and power consumption by dynamically changing clock speeds, processor voltages, and even disabling entire CPU cores by gating clocks and powers to these cores. There are numerous references to all of these concepts in the software, in addition to several references of dynamic CPU and core control, as well as instructions per clock cycle, memory throughput thresholds, power thresholds, and even hysteresis to keep the cores from spinning up and down as the performance profile changes. No doubt many of these properties existed in the A10 as well, but the fact that Apple is increasing small core count shows Apple believes there's more benefit to be had here.

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    Reference to "bcm4357" in iPhone X device tree

    There are more details contained than just the CPU and OLED display, however. The software specifically calls out Broadcom's BCM4357 as the Wi-Fi module. This is curious because the BCM4357 is actually a very old Wi-Fi chipset. It seems likely that Apple truncated the trailing 0 from the BCM43570, which fits the 802.11ac profile of the iPhone 7 (and thus, not an upgrade). However, Broadcom does have a BCM4375 chip on the horizon which supports the forthcoming 802.11ax standard. Unless the keynote specifically addresses the Wi-Fi speeds, we may not immediately get clarification here, given the Wi-Fi module is often embedded in a larger module, often by component integrator Murata.

    Moving over to the display side, the peak brightness in nits property seems to be referenced to a full scale value, rather than an actual decimal nits value, unfortunately. This could have given insight into whether Apple sought to pursue any of the existing HDR standards on the market, which often require a peak brightness over 1000 nits.

    In the audio realm, the CS35L26 reference confirms another Cirrus Logic win for the top and bottom speakers, and the CS42L75 is an undocumented audio codec. Finally, for pure trivia, there's a reference to a 'sochot' property that curiously references the A6X chip identifier. It also contains an 'N41' reference in the baseband section, which refers to an iPhone 5 codename that introduced LTE to the iPhone families. These may, however, simply be references to old devices when features or properties were first introduced.

    Apple will undoubtedly reveal some details on the new A11 chip and other internal upgrades for the new iPhones at its event that's just a few hours away now, but other information will have to wait until teardown firms can get their hands on the devices and have a closer look at what's inside.

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    Wonder if there are any Intel modem references :p
     
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    wow! with this A11 (Fusion) chip our Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat and other social media feeds will load faster then light! :p:p
     
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    Great to see an article like this breaking down the A11 chip, nice change from all of the traditional speculation about the iPhone.

    More of this in the future please!
     
  5. macs4nw macrumors 601

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    So I take it this new phone will be faster then? :confused::confused:
     
  6. Feenician macrumors 68040

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    Ha ha! People only use Apple devices for Facebook! Wheeeeeeeee!

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    And in the early days for fart apps of course :D
     
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    Haha, personally I'm most excited to see how this chip aids with ARKit applications. Really, really hoping for an entire segment tomorrow morning dedicated towards the capabilities of ARKit (well, outside of making virtual objects appear on a table like they did at WWDC).
     
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    I fear you may have both missed the obvious, implied /s but perhaps not.
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    Yep, it’s an area where others dabbled first but Apple produced APIs that enable great experiences for devs and users alike.
     
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    I got it ;) it's a signal of the progress of the sophistication of AppStore apps over the years. An evolution from the naffness of T-Pain through to today's fairly fully featured Cubasis sequencer and audiobus :D
     
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    You never can tell here :D
     
  13. creediddy macrumors regular

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    Awesome article! I smell 4500 single core and 10,000+ multicore...A first on an ARM chipset...
     
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    No, but the point is our smartphones have crossed the same line as our laptops, becoming so powerful that for a lot of people it's overkill for most of their common applications. Of course, ARkit looks cool and could enhance our lives in ways we're not even aware of so maybe not a situation of overkill there?
     
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    The low-power Mistral cores will likely be assigned to background & notification tasks while the device is active. This improves on power consumption over A10, since the lower power cores on A10 couldn't be active together with the higher power cores at once, thus draining power unnecessarily on non-critical tasks.
     
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    Hmm did you read correctly. That may be the one they are not using. It could be the same wifi module as last years iPhone. The article only suggested maybe they could go ahead and use the more updated one although the leak shows the outdated one.
     
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    Sure did. However, I think it's just as likely that they are using this chip (which exists and is desirable) as that they made a typo.
     
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    I agree. This is pretty awesome
     
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    Is there any sign that this or something else in there could be leveraged more specifically for machine learning or AR? I seem to remember a rumor about a machine-learning co-processor, but could they be utilizing these four low power cores for that? Doesn't machine learning do better distributed over many smaller cores? But I would think such a chip would resemble more of a GPU type layout with many more low power cores.
     
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    The potential is right there. If people don't see it, I think they are dump
     
  24. Relentless Power macrumors Core

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    This is true. Most don't even utilize the iPhones full capability of the A-series architecture and given power. And then factor in what the iPhone is actually truly capable of producing in terms of what somebody is using their iPhone for.
     
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    Apple doesn't utilize the iphone's full capability. It's not the consumers fought. Other phones can do split screen, PIP, VR, convert to a PC, HDMI/mhl support, multitasking, real file manager, mouse/trackpad support, and stylus capabilities and still get stellar ratings and reviews. Apple forces it's fans to support face recognition and AR. Seriously besides the OLED screen and heavily criticized design. This is not that much of a upgrade. In terms of Touch ID, it may be a downgrade.

    By not allowing them to do any of what's mentioned above, they will never utilize it's full capabilities since Apple limits the consumer.
     

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