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A4 or Civic EX???
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Lots of talk in here about the UNreliability of Audi's. I've not found that to be not true at all, just expensive as all get out to do normal repairs. Most things that have failed and repaired by me out of pocket have been items you'd expect to need servicing on any make or model.
Sure a few items have been out of the ordinary and ultimately I've gotten reimbursed by Audi of America on several of them, but the car has never left me stranded and has never just unexpectedly stopped working. In six years the longest it's been in the shop is right now and that's only because it took the tech a few days to determine what the problem was and then yet several more to get the parts.
I'll also note that the car is a damned tank. I had a mishap this past November where I ended up colliding with the rear of a Tahoe at a stop light. I shoved him into the car in front of him and bent the Tahoe's frame. From the side, you couldn't even tell my A4 had been in a collision, except for the hood being ajar near the front end. Granted the Tahoe's hitch punched through my radiator and the car wasn't useable, but it survived otherwise. Oddly, including body work, it took only four days to get it back.
Sure a few items have been out of the ordinary and ultimately I've gotten reimbursed by Audi of America on several of them, but the car has never left me stranded and has never just unexpectedly stopped working. In six years the longest it's been in the shop is right now and that's only because it took the tech a few days to determine what the problem was and then yet several more to get the parts.
I'll also note that the car is a damned tank. I had a mishap this past November where I ended up colliding with the rear of a Tahoe at a stop light. I shoved him into the car in front of him and bent the Tahoe's frame. From the side, you couldn't even tell my A4 had been in a collision, except for the hood being ajar near the front end. Granted the Tahoe's hitch punched through my radiator and the car wasn't useable, but it survived otherwise. Oddly, including body work, it took only four days to get it back.
VWs are not overpriced. For what I paid for my GTI, I couldn't find another car that matched mine in terms of power, gas mileage, size and features and fun-ness
Now you've gone and done it. You just had to bring 'Diesel' in this, didn't you!
As it happens, I currently drive a Jetta Diesel '06. Not bad indeed.
I'd agree with him on Audi, sort of. When I bought mine, a lot of elements that were standard features now cost more money as options. The same car today (granted a 2.0 vs. a 1.8) would cost me several thousand more than it did six years ago. Plus they no longer include scheduled maintenance under the 4 year/50k warranty like they did for me.
But your statement held true for me and the A4 as well back in '02.
I know two mechanics who own Audis; one is a high-mileage '96 A4 2.8, the other a very high mileage 1991 Audi 80 and a newish S4. Both of them love their cars but both say that the cars are prone to electrical issues. both also say that if they were not mechanics (with access to a lift and their own tools) they might think twice about using an Audi as a daily driver.
I still would consider buying one - if I was wealthy enough. Audis are expensive cars if you are buying new.
The Civic was recently rated (by Edmunds I think) the second best car in America for holding its value (I think the Corvette was #1??).
Yes, BUT he's talking about a new Civic vs. a 3 year old Audi. Big difference in terms of warranty, miles, general wear, etc.
Fit is nice, and I considered it, but 109 hp... ugh. Not much fun to drive. Also, it just doesn't feel solid like the Civic does.
Ah, the EX with nav. That's what I wanted... but the gf thought the cost of the LX was enough for now (
), and I gotta admit, the LX has enough features that I really don't feel like I'm missing out.
Ah, the EX with nav. That's what I wanted... but the gf thought the cost of the LX was enough for now (
My father bought an '07 LX and, aside from cheaper than expected plastics in the interior, it's quite nice. It does lose quite a bit of performance with four adults on board.
Only downside of that car, really. Is it just the old Civic engine put into a new body? Wish the fit had the new Civic's engine. I don't care if it cost as much as a Civic.
FYI, i've never driven an Auto in my life
So yeah, i was planning on getting the stick, if i can find one.
I took my test in a manual...I love peoples' reactions when they hear that.
I do really like the Honda manual transmissions...slick but not at all vague. They're still made in Japan and imported. Much better than the VW, Saab and Subaru 5 speeds I've driven (I won't even mention American brands...), though not quite the religious experience that is shifting gears in an M3.
Generally you won't find stick shift Hondas on the lot, other than S2000s, Accord Coupes and Civic Si's, but ordering them is always possible.
I paid 19,500 for my civic plus taxes etc. I wanted GTI but couldn't really justify the price difference starting at 23,000. If I had the same options I have (Nav, sunroof) on my civic on the GTI I would have spent close to 30K. Gas mileage is what 25mpg at best on a GTI? But in the price range no one campares to the power of the GTI. HP isn't everything, the SI has what? 150 torque compared to 207 on the GTI?
Please don't get me wrong if money weren't an object I would have opted for the GTI
I do believe that Audis are overpriced since they are essentially a VW w/ a diff badge. They have the SAME EXACT engines.
I paid 19,500 for my civic plus taxes etc. I wanted GTI but couldn't really justify the price difference starting at 23,000. If I had the same options I have (Nav, sunroof) on my civic on the GTI I would have spent close to 30K. Gas mileage is what 25mpg at best on a GTI? But in the price range no one campares to the power of the GTI. HP isn't everything, the SI has what? 150 torque compared to 207 on the GTI?
Please don't get me wrong if money weren't an object I would have opted for the GTI
I do believe that Audis are overpriced since they are essentially a VW w/ a diff badge. They have the SAME EXACT engines.
I get around 35MPG highway (my commute to work is 99% highway so I've never really gotten a good number for city driving). I've found the EPA estimates to be grossly underestimated
Which Civic did you get? Because the Si (which is the only Civic I would compare to a GTI) is going to cost well over 19k
A4 any day, had mine for 4 yrs and it's never put a foot wrong or required any costs (bulbs, wipers etc).
Besides, Hondas' are for old people
Besides, Hondas' are for old people
first question, are you latin? coz if so than get the civic
I would take the Audi, the quality is way better than the Civic...
coz if so than get the civic I would take the Audi, the quality is way better than the Civic...
Honda is, by far, a better choice. Just fill it with gas and go with no worries about it breaking down. The Honda just goes and goes! And it provides great gas mileage.
If you want a Civic that is highly prized by thieves.
It also cranks out eight grand, and takes premium fuel.
And don't discount the insurance premium you will pay too.
I got an '07 EX 5 spd w/ Navigation
The SI would have been like 1,000 more. But I didn't get it because it would have been a "fake GTI" with no torque. Then I would have just said, I might as well spend another 3-4K on the GTI then in order for me to get the GTI I wanted I'd have to spend more on the options. So I figured I'd get the options I wanted without the power and save $.
I usually find the EPA estimates to be overestimated because they use/test in prime driving conditions w/ no AC, low RPM's. But I believe that they are changing the driving conditions that they test in so the estimates should begin go gown a bit as of this year I think. Don't quote me on the time frame though.
In the UK, yes.Besides, Hondas' are for old people
Reverse in the US, generally speaking. Here, the elderly tend to like something the size of a tank.
I took my test in a manual...I love peoples' reactions when they hear that.
So did I. The car I used didn't have power steering either.
well sure. It's only 2900 lbs. with a 140 hp engine. 4 average adults adds over 600 lbs., or more than 20% of the weight of the vehicle.
first question, are you latin?
I would take the Audi, the quality is way better than the Civic...
The stereotype I've heard is that asian kids like the civic... never heard yours.
The "quality" is way better? What do you mean by "quality?" The Audi has much more luxurious options, but the reliability is far worse.
In the UK, yes.
Reverse in the US, generally speaking. Here, the elderly tend to like something the size of a tank.
Yeah, the Civic is a young person's car in the US. Old people drive huge boats.
Yup.
A very scary thing to witness as well.
I got behind one today doing 20mph in a 40mph zone. Fortunately, she eventually turned, although I have never seen anyone come to a complete stop to make a right turn on this particular street where there's absolutely no traffic.