Why the hell would I want to look at this from the Apple point of view? I don't care about Apple point of view, I only care about my needs and my point of view! From my point of view this is a serious limitation and I just can't buy this iPhone 6 no matter what other specs might have. From my point of view this iPhone is CRIPPLED and I don't want it!
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A8 Chip From 4.7-Inch iPhone 6 Appears to Carry 1 GB of RAM
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First, i was not espousing the dream world scenario where management happily listens to all that engineers have to say and plans accordingly. I'm not that naive.
Second, it seems you are taking the full opposite of the spectrum worst case scenario, where they completely ignore what engineers have to say.
For a good, well run company, somewhere in the middle is ideal. Of course managers lay out the expectations and requirements to engineers. And management, if worth a damn, will listen to what is being told to them about what could, should, or should not be done.
There are lots of well run companies, and even more poorly run companies. Apple, in my humble opinion, is one of the better run.
So please do not take my or anyone's comments as a personal insult, with you being an engineer. As I will not take your comments about management being a bunch of doors, as i have been to business school and manage a company, as an insult.
All the original commenter had said, and to which i was agreeing, was that Apple seems to have a very good collaboration with it's engineers, designing tightly integrated hardware and software.
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Steve would've never allowed phone bigger than 3.5 inch because he believed that 3.5" is the perfect size for a phone and nobody wants phone bigger than that. He would've convinced all his worshipers that and everyone would've agreed.
Def need more then one RAM I hate having to close programs down cause the device becomes slow cause of the lack of RAM
This. 99% of iPhone users probably only have a vague idea of what RAM is at best. 80-90% probably don't know what RAM is at all, let alone worry about how much is in their phone.
Sure, but all of that will apply no matter if you have 64K memory available or 4GB memory available.
No, my point, and the point of some others here, is that it does indeed matter. That the developer writing the program will not bother taking the time to write the code more efficiently if it is not necessary to do so. If you write the program, and it works fine and runs fine, as it is.... then you will not waste your time rewriting anything to make it more efficient... regardless of whether it is an inefficient hog. But if you test it and it runs laggy and has a poor experience, you are somewhat forced to make it better or noone will want to use it. The more space available, the more space programmers will use.
A quote from a rather simplistic discussion in one of the Macrumors forums:
"But, I know what it is like. You get an idea and you just start coding and then it evolves. There are some programs I had to write 2 times! once because I added toms of features as I went along and added tons more code then I needed. So I went back and rewrote it so it is more efficient."
It's probably because 2GB only makes it run 5% better and isn't worth the margins. Unless you're running a processor/memory intensive game, you probably won't notice much of a difference.
I should have put 'gest' in their instead of gloat? And iOS needs some serious optimisation, it feels pretty slow compared to the latest Android devices, my iPad Mini Retina feels sluggish next to my Nexus 5. Not gloating at all, just how it feels to me.
Better optimisation, faster CPU and 2GB ram would go a long way to alleviate that feeling. Not saying it' a slow device, just feels slower like comparing a 12 core Mac Pro to a quad core MacBook Pro.
Also why should you pay the rumoured INCREASED cost of the new iPhones when they don't even come with more RAM?
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There is no point. Except having "that one spec" to boast about that none of your competitors have.
wrong. that was the context of the time, when he said that. the DPI has gone way up since the first one.
the phones take a couple years to design and produce so he was probably aware of larger form factors.
For the *chip* to contain 1GB of RAM, it would need to be part of the A8 silicon CPU die. It is not - it's a PoP BGA part, which means the RAM BGA IC is sitting atop the CPU *or* under it, soldering in a BGA sandwich, hence the term "Package on Package" (PoP) IC.
Chip = physical CHIP of silicon, hence the term.
Amazing what a little common sense brings.
Chip = physical CHIP of silicon, hence the term.
Amazing what a little common sense brings.
Keep telling yourself that. I swapped my iphone 5s for a Note 3 because of the app crashes due to low mem errors. Maybe I use my phones harder than you.
If this 1 gig story is true no iPhones or iPad's for me. There is no excuse not to include more memory. Unless there is a software limitation with iOS. I really hope that this is not true.
you must be confused, apple doesnt spec-boast. 64-bit was worth mentioning because its a complete first in mobile and allows devs to build some really cool things. the photo-stitcher software in iOS7 made use of it at launch, games did after.
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dear lord, the drama queens.... youd think somebody just stole your girlfriend.
on ipad, definitely needs it. iphone? have never found myself wanting.
Very intelligent.
Edit: So i just now see that in a post above you said "What difference does it make if a dev knows that he has 1024 MB of RAM to go crazy with, or 4096 MB of RAM to waste? In either case, a shoddy developer (or a really top notch developer who is working on a genuinely RAM-thisty app) will consume everything and a tad more."
So basically you said exactly what i am saying. And you tell me my points are wrong. Marvelous.
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What the **** are you talking about? The only reason that makes us not have more powerful apps that would take advantage of 2 or more GB of RAM on an iPhone, its because that iPhone doesn't exist!
How does that make sense? Are the new iPhones going to have the exact same components as the old ones? What if there are 900 improved and more expensive parts, everything except the RAM. Only increased Random Access Memory in a device can account for a cost increase?
It matters if you want to have several apps kept in memory and switch quickly between them.