A8 Chip From 4.7-Inch iPhone 6 Appears to Carry 1 GB of RAM

[mdelvecchio]

Def need more then one RAM I hate having to close programs down cause the device becomes slow cause of the lack of RAM

hahaha. oh jeeze. nobody told, you, huh? you dont need to close programs to "speed up" your iphone. thats an absolute myth. the system auto-suspends background apps w/ the exception of music/location processes. your manual closing does absolutely nothing except make you feel better.

but dont take it from me. take it from people who know more than you do:

http://www.speirs.org/blog/2012/1/2/misconceptions-about-ios-multitasking.html

http://daringfireball.net/2012/01/ios_multitasking

 

[Medic311]

First, i was not espousing the dream world scenario where management happily listens to all that engineers have to say and plans accordingly. I'm not that naive.
Second, it seems you are taking the full opposite of the spectrum worst case scenario, where they completely ignore what engineers have to say.
For a good, well run company, somewhere in the middle is ideal. Of course managers lay out the expectations and requirements to engineers. And management, if worth a damn, will listen to what is being told to them about what could, should, or should not be done.
There are lots of well run companies, and even more poorly run companies. Apple, in my humble opinion, is one of the better run.
So please do not take my or anyone's comments as a personal insult, with you being an engineer. As I will not take your comments about management being a bunch of idiots, as i have been to business school and manage a company, as an insult.
All the original commenter had said, and to which i was agreeing, was that Apple seems to have a very good collaboration with it's engineers, designing tightly integrated hardware and software.

i am in engineering management now so i've seen it from both sides so obviously i wouldn't have been attempting to insult you because then i would have been insulting myself

i've worked at good companies and bad companies. product development is a series of checks and balances. if engineers had their way, the product would have bulletproof reliability, weigh 50 pounds, and cost 50X as much as the intended price target. if management had their way, the product wouldn't even work at all yet would be sold to the public anyways. it's a series of checks and balances, power struggles, and collaboration that eventually leads to a new product. the way the interaction goes depends on if product is a value engineering type of project or a disruptive-type of new technology

of course upper management doesn't invent their requirements on their own, they get feedback from marketing and their customer research data along with input from ID (industrial design). besides engineers fighting with project/program management, they also have to fight with ID on a constant basis. as an engineering manager, i have the privilege of having to convey to ID, Marketing, and VPs that my guys can't do what ID has drawn up with marketing's direction and that other variables have to be changed. multi-objective value analysis with criteria weights established by my customers (my customers being marketing and the VPs ) usually leads to a more productive collaboration. when i get a packet of specs without any rating system at all, how am i supposed to know what's more important than others. that was my frustration for years

everyone says that Apple is the best at product development and collaboration etc...but most people don't know what goes on behind the scenes. in fact, the few that do and that have spoken out have flat out stated the tremendous amount of back and forth, arguments that goes into that perfectly designed Apple product that seems like it was drawn up by an artist. nothing like the more tranquil-like brainstorming sessions at google where everyone sits on their favorite color exercise ball in the conference room.

 

[Moto G]

Since when has 1GB of memory not been enough for a future-focused, highly advanced MOBILE OS? You don't solve software performance and efficiency defacits by throwing bundles of RAM at the problem, such as others do, you hire proficient engineers who optimise your OS, whilst improving the features year after year.

Android phones use a bajillion GB of RAM to try to solve Google's inherent flaws, but that just proves EVEN MORE how utterly inefficient Android can be, and is, most of the time. Yes, it's better, but it IS inefficient, only that continued inefficiency is masked by 3GB ram and 3000mAh bats. Don't compare iPhone to the worst example of efficient design, and you won't become disappointed, and will avoid looking like you don't know what you're taking about when you feign a dramatic response to something you don't fully understand.

Please, think and research before you drama queen in public.

Think of it like a fat person who likes cakes - the more cakes you give them, the more they will eat. If you give someone £10 to last a week, they'll find a way, if they depend on that. If you give them £1,000 to last a week, they'll spend more IF they are inefficient and unwise. (Un)common sense.

 

[Edd.Dantes]

Since when has 1GB of memory not been enough for a future-focused, highly advanced MOBILE OS? You don't solve software performance and efficiency defacits by throwing bundles of RAM at the problem, such as others do, you hire proficient engineers who optimise your OS, whilst improving the features year after year.

Android phones use a bajillion GB of RAM to try to solve Google's inherent flaws, but that just proves EVEN MORE how utterly inefficient Android can be, and is, most of the time. Yes, it's better, but it IS inefficient, only that continued inefficiency is masked by 3GB ram and 3000mAh bats. Don't compare iPhone to the worst example of efficient design, and you won't become disappointed, and will avoid looking like you don't know what you're taking about when you feign a dramatic response to something you don't fully understand.

Please, think and research before you drama queen in public.

Think of it like a fat person who likes cakes - the more cakes you give them, the more they will eat. If you give someone £10 to last a week, they'll find a way, if they depend on that. If you give them £1,000 to last a week, they'll spend more. (Un)common sense.

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[Moto G]

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Facepalm without context or reason is plain ignorant and rude. Did my post baffle you with common sense?

 

[zipa]

you must be confused, apple doesnt spec-boast.

No, they hardly ever mentioned the resolution on the iPhone 4 or the bit-depth on the iPhone 5S. Neither have they ever, and I mean N-E-V-E-R boasted about the physical dimensions of their products.

Phew, I'm glad that you corrected me. It seems that I was completely out of line there.

 

[Moto G]

you must be confused, apple doesnt spec-boast. 64-bit was worth mentioning because its a complete first in mobile and allows devs to build some really cool things. the photo-stitcher software in iOS7 made use of it at launch, games did after.

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dear lord, the drama queens.... youd think somebody just stole your girlfriend.

on ipad, definitely needs it. iphone? have never found myself wanting.

It astounds me that people make such dramatic commentary over something so relatively insignificant, and something which they rarely understand properly.

How do I +10 you?

 

[gavroche]

everyone says that Apple is the best at product development and collaboration etc...but most people don't know what goes on behind the scenes. in fact, the few that do and that have spoken out have flat out stated the tremendous amount of back and forth, arguments that goes into that perfectly designed Apple product that seems like it was drawn up by an artist. nothing like the more tranquil-like brainstorming sessions at google where everyone sits on their favorite color exercise ball in the conference room.

haha.. indeed, very different environments. Having read Job's biography... it definitely sounded like a very intense and stressful environment to work for him. Very demanding, and with absolutely no idea whether he would look at your work and tell you if your work is great, or that you are the most worthless person on the planet. I guess it worked.
I suppose what i view in my mind as good collaboration may differ from many others ideas of it. I personally thing back and forth arguing and debate is good, to a healthy extent. I don't think that people put out their best work product unless they are constantly challenged to do better. If you are wrong about it, and people argue it to you and you finally see their point, so be it. If you are right, and you defend yourself and end up winning, so be it. But in the end, hopefully, the best wins out.
I really don't think we see this issue too differently. Just don't think i explained myself very well.

 

[cdmoore74]

This. 99% of iPhone users probably only have a vague idea of what RAM is at best. 80-90% probably don't know what RAM is at all, let alone worry about how much is in their phone.

Sadly this is true. In Apple's eyes a screen size increase and a few health apps is all that they need to sale phones. It's truly mind blowing that their are still sticking with 1 gig. But your clueless buyer don't even care and Apple will still sale millions of them. I guess there's no sense in complaining about it. I'm just not going to buy it.

 

[Moto G]

Sadly this is true. In Apple's eyes a screen size increase and a few health apps is all that they need to sale phones. It's truly mind blowing that their are still sticking with 1 gig. But your clueless buyer don't even care and Apple will still sale millions of them. I guess there's no sense in complaining about it. I'm just not going to buy it.

If you're being truthful, and people's minds are being blown, then it's a surprising feat that they're still able to sit upright and type.

You did say "truly", after all... which is evidently untrue

 

[bill-p]

Facepalm without context or reason is plain ignorant and rude. Did my post baffle you with common sense?

I think what he means to say is... as a consumer, you are supposed to want more value for your money... not less.

Justifying why 1GB should be there is cool and all, but 2GB is simply better, and we as consumers should get that regardless.

Not to mention your justification is not exactly proper in this context since iOS devices have been bottlenecked by their memory capacity for a long while.

Apple can optimize their softwares, but they can't break the laws of physics. More memory is simply a necessity as the OS gets more and more complex.

 

[prowlmedia]

Not when it comes to specs. He just looks at the process and just yes's or no's the end product.

Erm no. Just plain no.

He is an engineer and had been very hands on in everything. He may not design squat these day but he knows all about the Production pipeline and Specs through and through. And more importantly the Choice and reasoning behind them.

It's like this 4G chip. It's not capable of the 225mb that is that Sammy 5/s clone thing... but NO networks hit download speeds Anywhere near that so whats the point. Save some cash. The original iPhone was 2g only(!) cos 3g was complete battery killer in 2007.

 

[gavroche]

Sadly this is true. In Apple's eyes a screen size increase and a few health apps is all that they need to sale phones. It's truly mind blowing that their are still sticking with 1 gig. But your clueless buyer don't even care and Apple will still sale millions of them. I guess there's no sense in complaining about it. I'm just not going to buy it.

Yikes! The editor in me is dying inside!

 

[eac25]

First, I am not discussing RAM.

Yes, my mistake. Got caught up in the thread and typed the wrong thing...

But we have been at 16GB for four years now. Saying that "no one would ever need more than 16 gigs!" is NO excuse

I don't believe Apple is saying that no one would ever need more. What I believe they're saying is that the bulk of users probably don't need more. That's quite a different viewpoint when scaled to millions of people... That's why it's a *base* model. If you're needs are different, then buy the different product, whether it's Apple's or not...

And, for the record - ALL corporations are greedy. Nature of capitalism, and all that...

 

[Moto G]

I think what he means to say is... as a consumer, you are supposed to want more value for your money... not less.

Justifying why 1GB should be there is cool and all, but 2GB is simply better, and we as consumers should get that regardless.

Not to mention your justification is not exactly proper in this context since iOS devices have been bottlenecked by their memory capacity for a long while.

Apple can optimize their softwares, but they can't break the laws of physics. More memory is simply a necessity as the OS gets more and more complex.

By this logic, cars should come with 6 wheels, even if they're not needed. Bizarre... and I doubt Apple care that "everyone else does it" - why would they? They're NOT everyone else, and have no desire to be.

"2GB is simply better" - that's a tad simplistic, but I'll leave you to think that, I am not argumentative, and merely point out what *I* feel to be the case, you're entitled to think what you wish, and I am - of course - entitled to not have to agree.

I could go to a hot dog stall where they're selling 4 hot dogs for the price of 1 - can I eat that amount? No, but I perceive it as value for money IF I can find 3 people to give them to. Perceiving more as "better" is simplistic and meaningless... but that's how companies generally condition customers to feel, and they are treated like gibbering idiots so long as it makes a sale.

Take care.

 

[Sonmi451]

What the **** are you talking about? The only reason that makes us not have more powerful apps that would take advantage of 2 or more GB of RAM on an iPhone, its because that iPhone doesn't exist!

iPhone has crazy powerful apps. Not sure what you're talking about. I'm not involved in the decision, no place in directing your anger at me. I'm just giving a reasonable explanation why I think Apple hasn't included it.

 

[.macbookpro.]

I reckon this is for an iPhone 6C.
Those cheap looking bands + low storage capacity + low RAM + New A8.
I just hope they have a 4.7" iPhone 6 because 5.5" is too big.
Everybody go wild now

 

[AppleScruff1]

Maybe if they had 2GB of RAM they could fine tune the memory management so that tabs don't reload constantly like they do on the IPad Air? Or maybe they should just do it on the iPad? It is as annoying as can be. I want more RAM and an OS that can take advantage of it.

 

[Shirke]

Most people don't know what RAM is anyways.
But if this rumor is true then damn, that's wack.

Iphone 6S, 6 months later 2 gig of ram.

 

[gavroche]

I don't believe Apple is saying that no one would ever need more. What I believe they're saying is that the bulk of users probably don't need more. That's quite a different viewpoint when scaled to millions of people... That's why it's a *base* model. If you're needs are different, then buy the different product, whether it's Apple's or not...

And, for the record - ALL corporations are greedy. Nature of capitalism, and all that...

I find it weird but interesting that the rumors talk about going 16/64/128. As if Apple recognizes the need to bump the sizes... but wants to keep a very cheap (16) option on the table. Personally, I doubt it... would be simpler and less confusing to just go 32/64/128. Is my personal hope.

p.s. And i think it is better to say all People are greedy. Corporations are just extensions of the individuals that own them. And i've yet to meet a private business owner that wasn't as desirous of making tons of money as are Corporations!

 

[Moto G]

Most people don't know what RAM is anyways.
But if this rumor is true then damn, that's wack.

Iphone 6S, 6 months later 2 gig of ram.

Yep. Exactly.

How can "the average user" determine that the extra 1GB of RAM they get in a 2GB phone is being used efficiently and to their benefit? They can't. Do people think throwing RAM at a spec sheet makes it "better"? Oh boy...

Placebo is one thing that many people experience, I am certain. Apple sell experience of the product, not nerdy spec sheet bullet points - that's the preserve of most others, and it SOUNDS better just because everyone else - the generally non-technically minded SAYS it's better, and nod in agreement like lemmings walking off a cliff, without ever truly knowing.

 

[apolloa]

How does that make sense? Are the new iPhones going to have the exact same components as the old ones? What if there are 900 improved and more expensive parts, everything except the RAM. Only increased Random Access Memory in a device can account for a cost increase?

You haven't been following the rumours then I take it? Never read this website before?

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/14/iphone-6-100-price-increase/

Why take that quote, then go on about the components, when as I stated it has already been rumoured.

If you pay more money for a handset that is already at the top end of it's chosen market, and it doesn't even come with more RAM, then more fool you.

 

[cfedu]

By this logic, cars should come with 6 wheels, even if they're not needed. Bizarre... and I doubt Apple care that "everyone else does it" - why would they? They're NOT everyone else, and have no desire to be.

"2GB is simply better" - that's a tad simplistic, but I'll leave you to think that, I am not argumentative, and merely point out what *I* feel to be the case, you're entitled to think what you wish, and I am - of course - entitled to not have to agree.

I could go to a hot dog stall where they're selling 4 hot dogs for the price of 1 - can I eat that amount? No, but I perceive it as value for money IF I can find 3 people to give them to. Perceiving more as "better" is simplistic and meaningless... but that's how companies generally condition customers to feel, and they are treated like gibbering idiots so long as it makes a sale.

Take care.

Does that mean we will not see see an iPhone with 2 GB of ram until 6 wheeled cars are common?

 

[Medic311]

haha.. indeed, very different environments. Having read Job's biography... it definitely sounded like a very intense and stressful environment to work for him. Very demanding, and with absolutely no idea whether he would look at your work and tell you if your work is great, or that you are the most worthless person on the planet. I guess it worked.
I suppose what i view in my mind as good collaboration may differ from many others ideas of it. I personally thing back and forth arguing and debate is good, to a healthy extent. I don't think that people put out their best work product unless they are constantly challenged to do better. If you are wrong about it, and people argue it to you and you finally see their point, so be it. If you are right, and you defend yourself and end up winning, so be it. But in the end, hopefully, the best wins out.
I really don't think we see this issue too differently. Just don't think i explained myself very well.

yeah we're pretty much on the same page

as far as working for apple is concerned. to me that would be an ***** nightmare. i already put in 60 hrs a week at my current job. i can only imagine what they have to put in at apple.

what's really cool though is that back in college one of the guys i knew from classes actually went off to work for apple. he's that PhD student who was just hired to the wearables team - the EE PhD student from MIT

 

[horsebattery]

Yep. Exactly.

How can "the average user" determine that the extra 1GB of RAM they get in a 2GB phone is being used efficiently and to their benefit? They can't. Do people think throwing RAM at a spec sheet makes it "better"? Oh boy...

Placebo is one thing that many people experience, I am certain. Apple sell experience of the product, not nerdy spec sheet bullet points - that's the preserve of most others, and it SOUNDS better just because everyone else - the generally non-technically minded SAYS it's better, and nod in agreement like lemmings walking off a cliff, without ever truly knowing.

Did you conveniently skip reading any of the posts that weren't just about blindingly increasing RAM without supporting factors?

re: Your car analogy. If there was any merit to using additional wheels, then by all means we should do that - and we do, which is why we have larger forms of cars, e.g. trucks. However, the point here isn't asking Apple to stuff specs into a product for the sake of numbers, but you already seem to have known that, and are just selectively reading posts, and grossly generalizing what was said. There's a reason why your earlier post was facepalm'd - you make it very evident that you are not trying to have a meaningful debate, but instead, are sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "LALALALAyourexperiencesdontmatter" and state that our fundamental reason for making these arguments are for a better spec-sheet.