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You know it would be a bit easier to take your word... if you knew the guy, or you worked at a high position there to confirm this.

No it well positioned reasoning and an understanding of the hierarchy at apple and hearing him speak about engineering... given the fact that many people here understand the tech with out being engineers... FFS what do you think he does all day?
 
Why are you people so concerned with 1gb of ram. It will be fine in the iPhone 6 and it would be fine on the new iPads as well. Apple is probably more concerned with cache which is much much faster for the processor to access than ram. iOS is not a ram hungry os like android is it has passive memory management technology and it will be even better on iOS 8. I guarantee the new A8 will have more cache to play around with making more sense in my eyes than adding more ram.
 
Why are you people so concerned with 1gb of ram. It will be fine in the iPhone 6 and it would be fine on the new iPads as well. Apple is probably more concerned with cache which is much much faster for the processor to access than ram. iOS is not a ram hungry os like android is it has passive memory management technology and it will be even better on iOS 8. I guarantee the new A8 will have more cache to play around with making more sense in my eyes than adding more ram.
This is either the most nonsensical, sarcastic post in this thread, or among the most nonsensical, asinine one; I honestly cannot distinguish it.
 
Why are you people so concerned with 1gb of ram. It will be fine in the iPhone 6 and it would be fine on the new iPads as well. Apple is probably more concerned with cache which is much much faster for the processor to access than ram. iOS is not a ram hungry os like android is it has passive memory management technology and it will be even better on iOS 8. I guarantee the new A8 will have more cache to play around with making more sense in my eyes than adding more ram.
Do you use Safari with more than 3 tabs?
 
In years past Apples spent a serious amount of time influencing it's customers and convincing them that a bare minimum of ram is fine. They've always skimped so as to insure high profit margins. They didn't get to be as financially fat as they are by not being the master of cost control. As long as Apple is happy, that's all that matters.
 
Perhaps the low end models (16GB & 32GB) one will have only 1GB of RAM and then the higher end models (64GB & 128GB) will have 2GB of RAM.

I think that makes the most sense from a cost perspective.
 
Perhaps the low end models (16GB & 32GB) one will have only 1GB of RAM and then the higher end models (64GB & 128GB) will have 2GB of RAM.

I think that makes the most sense from a cost perspective.

Seems more likely they'd separate by screen size if they offered two different RAM capacities.
 
Let Apple engineers worry about that. If you're better than they are, you're probably not sitting around here posing messages.
People asking for more RAM on an unreleased iPhone make me laugh. It's like...I want 4.0L engine instead of 3.0L in my BMW because Honda/Toyota has 4.0L engine, but didn't realize that 3.0L engine in BMW blow the sh.tty 4.0L Japanese engine out of the water.

Terrible analogy. Engines have plenty of variables. Turboed, supercharged, etc. Its common sense that higher res takes up more ram. There is no way around this. OR we'd still have anemic ram on PC's. Stop drinking the Apple Kool-aid...
 
I currently have 9 Safari tabs and 14 apps open on my 5s right now. Whats the problem? Everything is working just fine...besides, its a PHONE, not a computer.
If you don't mind, can you list those apps? I'm curious because I genuinely do not think that they're "open", in the sense that they're actively running, nor are they all simultaneously loaded into memory, although that may be trickier to verify. And I'm not so sure if you notice that the second half of your last sentence isn't really helping your point there.
 
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Imo this is the most important point: we are talking about a phone.
And that comparison is precisely why I do not believe it is helping to make your point - it is true that phones may not be able to use the same components as computers, but that does not mean we are trying to demand the same capabilities. If we did, then yes that would be futile to ask for and the debate would have ended on the first page, but of course that's not what is happening here, which is why it's simply a straw man argument that is not particularly helpful to the discussion.

To put it more succinctly, the original desire (or at least one of them) was reduce the frequency in which apps are killed, which is directly related to the amount of RAM in the system. Everything is relative. We acknowledge that the iphone cannot retain dozens of tabs on a browser actively, all the while several other applications running in the background as like a computer, but relatively it should be achievable.
 
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What discussion? The mad whining about a speculation?
Eh - I would like to believe that I haven't been madly whining. Maybe talking to the wind is more precise?

Oh and I recall some of your earlier posts - please realize that it is entirely possible to discuss about speculation (even if it's evolved into somewhat of a track record now) without whining. But considering the number of posts here that raised issue with others whining, I'm doubtful how effective that advice would be. But trying to effectively "talk to the wind" here on this site is exactly why I post here sometimes. :)
 
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Android takes a lot more RAM to run, so does the manufacturer skin over it and don't forget all the carrier bloatware! No thanks. I'll keep my non lag, bloat free phone, even with 1GB of RAM
How do you know that? Exactly how "much more RAM" does android use? And with the industry standart for 2015 being 3 gb how do u think Apple are justifying their greedy decision? :rolleyes:
 
I just don't get it why Apple skimps on RAM while everything else is high quality including packaging and ear buds($30 , which is like the price of 2GB RAM) ?

macrumors members make up <1% of apple's customer base. Most of Apple's customers dont even know what RAM is.

That is true, but this only mean people will continue to buy and if people buy then Apple will not change its strategy. Maybe we can do some bad PR like antenna gate so everyone pays attention :p

Honestly I like the phone but it seems sluggish especially after iOS8 (I got iphone5), it seems like it exactly needs RAM not more processing power.
 
AWESOME!
Reloading Safari tabs and the once in a blue moon crash (and that's really all it is... it certainly isn't "widespread") are NOT enough reason to go overkill on the RAM. Sure it may only cost Apple a dollar a unit, but that's millions of dollars. They have stockholders to answer to, and face it, 99.99% of users will be FINE with 1GB of RAM.
Sorry Dude, as mentioned before...1 GB is overkill already, remember Bill and stick to 640k.

P.S. reloading safari tabs and apps may not be an issue for you but it realy effs up any productivity use on both the phone and the pad if you constantly have to worry about losing your work by just opening that important email you just received...

Personally the amount of RAM my phone has is just a number. I actually think its a testament to Apples engineering prowess that they can get such amazing results from just 1 GB of RAM. And I appreciate them doing whatever they can to keep margins up.
fixed that for you...
 
Can someone explain to me why this is so bad? iOS runs flawlessly, and has been this way for all three iPhones that I've had. Why does the iPhone need more RAM if the os is perfectly optimized for 1GB?

Because the iPhone 5 sports a 64bit CPU (previously: 32bit CPU). That means that any data type such as integers, pointers etc. will need double the RAM. Depending on the nature of an 64bit app that means it will overall consume somewhere around 30% MORE RAM than the corresponding 32bit app.

That's why 1GB RAM has become an issue (moreso on the iPad apparently, because I assume the higher screen resolution needs more RAM as well, compared to the resolution of an iPhone...).
 
For now I'll take this as conjecture. I'm excited for a bigger iphone. I have an m8 for no better reason than a larger screen. But do agree that 1GB is not enough for a phone that will take us to 2015. I will stay with my m8 for now if that is the case. Oh well, Apple won't miss me, but I sure hope it's all conjecture.
 
If you don't mind, can you list those apps? I'm curious because I genuinely do not think that they're "open", in the sense that they're actively running, nor are they all simultaneously loaded into memory, although that may be trickier to verify. And I'm not so sure if you notice that the second half of your last sentence isn't really helping your point there.

It was last night and I closed them out but if I remember it was:
Words with friends
photos
camera
safari (with 9 tabs open)
around me
maps
facebook
instagram
snapchat
yelp
notes
fandango
music
shazam

All apps responded as soon as I opened them and were ready to use, so were all 14 tabs in Safari. So Again, I don't see a problem with 1GB of RAM

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How do you know that? Exactly how "much more RAM" does android use? And with the industry standart for 2015 being 3 gb how do u think Apple are justifying their greedy decision? :rolleyes:

You must be new to Apple. When have they EVER cared about keeping up with the "industry standard"? If they really cared, the iPhone 5s would have had a 4.5 inch screen, 2500 MAH battery, 2GB RAM, 1080p and at least 400PPI. Again, they don't care and no one else does either aside from spec whores. Its like the megapixels in cameras. Only dummies who know nothing about photography actually believe that the camera with the most megapixels is the best camera. Kinda like Android fans with their phones. They think they are superior devices because it has the best specs. Silly Android fans...
 
As disappointed as I am, it's important to note that the iPhone operates fine on 1 GB. It's really the iPad that needs more for safari. But I agree, this will hold the iPhone back from becoming more than it is currently. Software can only be so advanced when running with limited RAM.

If Apple keeps being stingy on RAM, it would be really nice if virtual memory was added to iOS.

It's more important to note, this is an iPhone 6, being introduced 2 years after the iPhone 5 debuted with 1GB of ram and it's quite sad that after 2 years, the iPhone has gained absolutely zero additional functionality in this regard. It seems Apple forgot they have developers that would like to expand the scope of their apps, I guess they'll have to do it on a competitors platform now. Or perhaps, this is yet another cost to Apple's obsession with "thin" since 2GB might use marginally more power than 1GB and the battery capacity is complete **** for a phone of it's size.
 
Could we please treat this as what is is? A rumour. Why are so many thinking this is a fact?

Because a leaked part indicates it is 1GB. Hynix even sent out a product decoder that indicates this unique part number is assigned to Apple.
 
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