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All in all I have little interest in this fight. Steve Jobs was probably an a****e that very few people liked. However, he had a company that built very interesting products. I don't think he was a saint, very far from it. He was probably a slave driver of the worst kind, someone like a plantation owner. He probably inspired some people, but I am not sure he was probably up to his own standards. Can we move on, he died a few years ago, are we planning to start a religion around him, or what? I give him respect for his hard work and what he accomplished in his companies, but I am not sure I would like to have had him as my best man at my wedding or to have beer with him. Let Sorkin get his movie and let Tim Cook have his opinions, every one has his own agenda.
 
If you're like me, I wanted to hear more about Tim's take on who Steve was as a human....

Really enjoyable interview/article/narrative about just that. Really fascinating and gives you a sense of who he really was... and maybe not so cold after all. http://www.fastcompany.com/3042432/the-steve-jobs-you-didnt-know-kind-patient-and-human
The timeline of Sorkin's film ENDS around the time that Tim Cook first met Steve Jobs. So the Steve Jobs that Tim Cook knew was not the subject of Sorkin's film.

Maybe there will be a sequel?
 
Good apology and I think he has it about right, that both Sorkin and Cook were a bit out of line. Hopefully Cook will have a more open mind about movies depicting Apple/Jobs history (especially those he hasn't even seen).
 
So he shouldn't apologize for lying?

And when Cook called the film opportunistic without even seeing it? Isn't it prejudice?

And by the way a monkey knows that you aren't going to make money out of this. Not that kind of film.

Apple is not God and Cook is not pure as driven snow. Fanboys are real though. That's sad.
 
Given the context of Cook's original comments, I'm pretty sure he was referring mostly to the "other" Steve Jobs movie (Steve Jobs: Man in the Machine). Colbert kind of asked him about both, but I think Tim was using his stock answer that may not apply quite as much to Sorkin's movie.
Absolutely! He must've referring to that scathing documentary by Gibney that's in theatres now and the Ashton Kucher movie that started shooting before the body was cold. What's crazy is that Sorkin GOES OFF about how Cook shouldn't judge until he sees the movie, but I'm guessing that Sorkin himself never even saw the Colbert clip! The roided-up way he responded makes me think a friend of his probably told him about the interview the next day: "Tim Cook went on The Late Show and trashed your film for being opportunistic!" If he'd actually seen the clip he'd know that Cook's mellow response was more like mild disappointment from a Sunday school teacher than any kind of definitive personal attack.

Lastly, if the movie's not even out yet, and it's the only Jobs film to get such glowing advanced press (hell, WOZ loved it!) then there's a decent chance Cook might actually like it too! He just doesn't strike me as the kind of reactionary, knee jerk yahoo who'd trash something before he saw it.

Aaron Sorkin just alienated a huge number of Apple/Cook fans with what, ironically, seems like a rather Jobsian outburst.


He shouldn't have backed down. He was right to fire back at Tim Cook for what he said, and he fired back in the right way. Now he just looks lame.
 
Me too, and how Tim reconciles his "not the Steve I knew" attitude with the proven fact that Jobs denied paternity to Lisa for years. IMO someone who denies his own daughter is a total peice of sh*t. Maybe you have to be a parent to understand...
Jobs was a parent and he clearly DIDN'T "understand", so there goes that theory.
 
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Absolutely! He must've referring to that scathing documentary by Gibney that's in theatres now and the Ashton Kucher movie that started shooting before the body was cold. What's crazy is that Sorkin GOES OFF about how Cook shouldn't judge until he sees the movie, but I'm guessing that Sorkin himself never even saw the Colbert clip! The roided-up way he responded makes me think a friend of his probably told him about the interview the next day: "Tim Cook went on The Late Show and trashed your film for being opportunistic!" If he'd actually seen the clip he'd know that Cook's mellow response was more like mild disappointment from a Sunday school teacher than any kind of definitive personal attack.

Lastly, if the movie's not even out yet, and it's the only Jobs film to get such glowing advanced press (hell, WOZ loved it!) then there's a decent chance Cook might actually like it too! He just doesn't strike me as the kind of reactionary, knee jerk yahoo who'd trash something before he saw it.
I'm heard some trolls have loving mothers too; can you confirm?
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He shouldn't have backed down. He was right to fire back at Tim Cook for what he said, and he fired back in the right way. Now he just looks lame.

No.
A) He shouldn't have said it in the first place. Cook never mentions Sorkin OR his movie, and Sorkin was snarky/bitchy and told a misleading lie about Apple's employment practices in China. Sorkin's pointless rage was pure projection. His defensiveness in the face of such a mild comment suggests he himself may be feeling a little guilty.
B) He should have gone further in his apology. His failure to do so shows a pronounced lack of character. (I've been a fan of his work for years and am bummed so see him f up so royally).
 
Good apology and I think he has it about right, that both Sorkin and Cook were a bit out of line. Hopefully Cook will have a more open mind about movies depicting Apple/Jobs history (especially those he hasn't even seen).
He wasn't commenting on Sorkin's film. Watch the clip.
 
And when Cook called the film opportunistic without even seeing it? Isn't it prejudice?

And by the way a monkey knows that you aren't going to make money out of this. Not that kind of film.

Apple is not God and Cook is not pure as driven snow. Fanboys are real though. That's sad.
Please quote the part of the interview where Cook specifically criticizes Sorkin's film. You can't? That's because Cook never did. Watch the clip again.
 
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Please quote the part of the interview where Cook specifically criticizes Sorkin's film. You can't? That's because Cook never did. Watch the clip again.

He didn't say film A is this and film B is that, did he? So maybe next time he should think better before opening his mouth.
 
Very true. Although what he did was walk back Tim's comment as well as his own, as if they were equivalent. But one comment was a very casual (and reasonable) opinion, about multiple for-profit movies, from someone whose friend died a couple years ago. The other was a quite blatant lie about a matter of factual record, and a very direct and UNreasonable attack against a man (and company) who has in fact done far more than the competition to keep children out of the workforce and get China to treat workers more fairly--while openly and publicly documenting the problems and the progress. And the apology failed to correct that lie, further cementing the damage when many believe it.

Not only that; he is in fact confirming that he's a spineless, fricking oportunist. If he really believed that children are being exploited, then what? Instead of taking a stand, is he just forgetting about it because "he loves the products"?

Of course he probably should have taken a stand even before making a film on that opportunistic enslaver-of-children Steve Jobs, ... but since he obviously didn't...
 
Let's face it, Apple has a desire to preserve the mythology of Steve Jobs at all costs. It's tantamount to how Disney treats criticism to old Walt ... Utter rejection of all complaint, and hostility toward anything that might be controversial or harm the brand. People are complicated; no one is perfect; Jobs was both brilliant inventor/marketer and a dick. Personally, I find that this makes him more likeable, and more relatable, since imperfections in character reveal far greater truths than public facades.
 
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Jobs was a parent and he clearly DIDN'T "understand", so there goes that theory.
I said maybe, not definitely. And I was referring to Cook. He doesn't have kids, so maybe the ****** denial doesn't resonate with him the way it does to me. Who knows.

What I do know is that fathering a child and then denying you're the father is real low class crap. Jobs was running a major company that went public around that time. I expect more maturity and responsibility from someone in that position.
 
Let's face it, Apple has a desire to preserve the mythology of Steve Jobs at all costs. It's tantamount to how Disney treats criticism to old Walt ... Utter rejection of all complaint, and hostility toward anything that might be controversial or harm the brand. People are complicated; no one is perfect; Jobs was both brilliant inventor/marketer and a dick. Personally, I find that this makes him more likeable, and more relatable, since imperfections in character reveal far greater truths than public facades.
Yup, we saw that with the recent comments about Dre after Straight Outta Compton came out.
 
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Given the context of Cook's original comments, I'm pretty sure he was referring mostly to the "other" Steve Jobs movie (Steve Jobs: Man in the Machine). Colbert kind of asked him about both, but I think Tim was using his stock answer that may not apply quite as much to Sorkin's movie.
I've seen Man in the Machine and frankly -if you've read a bit about his life, including Isaacson's book- there was almost nothing new or particularly harsh towards Steve Jobs in that documentary.
 
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