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He has not denounced the movie at all. He didn't comment on the quality of it. He didn't address Sorkin OR the movie directly.

He did give a personal statement on the situation of several Jobs movies being made right after Steve Jobs death. His involvement and history with Steve Jobs justifies personal comments without doubt and I'm glad that he doesn't follow the (irrelevant) demands of people like you to give up any personal opinion in public, even if his speeches will be turned against him like it has happened over the last few pages here.

So someone in a position of power can say whatever they like and it shouldn't be questioned? We should all just shut up and drink the Kool Aid?

And you say "people like me"? What do you mean? The general public? The great unwashed who have no right to question the beloved leader? LOL, it's like Soviet Russia in the Apple world!
 
Later that day, Tim and Aaron are having drinks in a snazzy San Francisco cocktail bar. One comments, "We did great public drama promoting the movie. Steve would be proud of us."
 
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Wealthy socialite saying wealthy socialite stuff to get more press ensuring they become wealthier.
 
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Not kidding at all, you may belive their expensive marketing, but selling 700$ phones that will be replaced in 2 years, computers with no upgradable ram, propietary drive interfaces, no reparability.

For god sake, take a look at ifixit.com if you wdon't belive me. Solar panels means nothing if planned obsolescence is in place.
Planned obsolescence, yes. But if 98% of the product is recyclable and - even if not recycled - doesn't result in toxic waste leaking into the environment, I'd call that as "green" and probably greener than any other tech company I can think of.
 
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So someone in a position of power can say whatever they like and it shouldn't be questioned? We should all just shut up and drink the Kool Aid?

Maybe you can quote me where I say "what he says shouldn't be questioned". Save your time, you won't be able to find such quote, so your usual "Kool Aid" bla bla is pretty embarrassing.

And you say "people like me"? What do you mean? The general public? The great unwashed who have no right to question the beloved leader? LOL, it's like Soviet Russia in the Apple world!

Your reading comprehension really isn't too good, is it? I clearly stated "people like you who demand he give up any personal opinion in public". Congratulations to another completely useless post.
 
Maybe you can quote me where I say "what he says shouldn't be questioned". Save your time, you won't be able to find such quote, so your usual "Kool Aid" bla bla is pretty embarrassing.



Your reading comprehension really isn't too good, is it? I clearly stated "people like you who demand he give up any personal opinion in public". Congratulations to another completely useless post.

That's what you implied by what you wrote. That's how language works, and you're just trying to use a weak argument to avoid the facts. You think we shouldn't question Cook because he's the CEO of Apple, as if that gives him special rights.
 
Good man. He had every right to feel… annoyed by Cook's attitude, but the hyperbole was a little over the line. (They don't employ children… knowingly… and don't pay nearly that badly.)
Maybe he knows something we don't know...
 
That's what you implied by what you wrote. That's how language works, and you're just trying to use a weak argument to avoid the facts. You think we shouldn't question Cook because he's the CEO of Apple, as if that gives him special rights.

I did not imply that for a second.

I'll try again, this time for slightly slow people: I think that Tim Cook has all the right to express his own personal opinions on the movies, the motives that he suspects etc. . Not with a single word did I say or mean that what he says shouldn't be questioned whatsoever. If you stop reading things that you'd like to read into what others say you might have less difficulties with this topic and the conversation in general. I can see why you feel the need to make those things up though... oh well.

Btw. - you're the only one here one giving Tim Cook any special treatment as a CEO by trying to deny him his personal opinion. Talking about "Soviet Russia"....
 
I did not imply that for a second.

I'll try again, this time for slightly slow people: I think that Tim Cook has all the right to express his own personal opinions on the movies, the motives that he suspects etc. . Not with a single word did I say or mean that what he says shouldn't be questioned whatsoever. If you stop reading things that you'd like to read into what others say you might have less difficulties with this topic and the conversation in general. I can see why you feel the need to make those things up though... oh well.

Btw. - you're the only one here one giving Tim Cook any special treatment as a CEO by trying to deny him his personal opinion. Talking about "Soviet Russia"....
Saying it's just his personal opinion is a joke. He's the CEO of Apple and his comments were widely covered in the press so he has more power to influence people's opinions. You've using the "head in the sand" argument, where you're just denying the obvious facts about his position. That's fine, but reality doesn't agree with you.
 
Saying it's just his personal opinion is a joke. He's the CEO of Apple and his comments were widely covered in the press so he has more power to influence people's opinions. You've using the "head in the sand" argument, where you're just denying the obvious facts about his position. That's fine, but reality doesn't agree with you.

So any interview with a CEO should not be allowed as his opinions could "influence" people? Ok, lets see - so how much did Tim Cooks statements influence your own opinion on the movies?

And again - obviously you cannot quote me where I said that no one should criticize his statements. Really, your name is completely appropriate.
 
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Planned obsolescence, yes. But if 98% of the product is recyclable and - even if not recycled - doesn't result in toxic waste leaking into the environment, I'd call that as "green" and probably greener than any other tech company I can think of.

Oh yes of course, the recyclable materials discourse. Even if all these devices are recycled, which they are not, that's why lot of african countries are filled with electronic scum from all over the world. Watch the movie "manufactured landscapes" please, or any planned obsolescence documentary.

What is the energy requirements for the average joe to save 700$ for a phone? what is the energy required in production, and in recycling... are they made in wood or organic parts... Green is a product that lasts 20 years, it's affordable, is green on the production, CAN BE REPAIRED...
 
Cook is the CEO of a large, well known corporation. He has lots of influence in popular culture. He hasn't seen the movie and yet he denounced it. That'll stop people seeing it and it is exactly like burning books in the sense that people won't see the art that someone has created.

It's all together a shameful episode for Cook.

Exactly, although Cook is what it is, a corporate biggest fish, looking for the same as anyone else, over anything else; bling bling money.
 
Planned obsolescence, yes. But if 98% of the product is recyclable and - even if not recycled - doesn't result in toxic waste leaking into the environment, I'd call that as "green" and probably greener than any other tech company I can think of.

98% recyclable.... I think it's 120% recyclable maybe. LOL!!!!
 
So any interview with a CEO should not be allowed as his opinions could "influence" people? Ok, lets see - so how much did Tim Cooks statements influence your own opinion on the movies?

And again - obviously you cannot quote me where I said that no one should criticize his statements. Really, your name is completely appropriate.

Nope, I didn't say he wasn't allowed. I was saying he shouldn't denounce a movie which he hasn't seen just because it was about Jobs. That's what I said. He's welcome to his opinion but not if it's based on prejudice.

I can see you're losing the argument, because you keep on making what I said up. Good luck with that.
 
Nope, I didn't say he wasn't allowed. I was saying he shouldn't denounce a movie which he hasn't seen just because it was about Jobs. That's what I said. He's welcome to his opinion but not if it's based on prejudice.

Ok, so in that case Tim Cook is only allowed to say his opinion if it's something positive. And you complain about "Kool Aid" - and yet demand it. Amusing.

(And again, he never addressed the movie or Sorkin in specific, no matter what the usual guys with the usual bias say).

I can see you're losing the argument, because you keep on making what I said up. Good luck with that.

I'm sure you're convinced of that but your credibility (if you ever had one in first place) completely went down the drain when you weren't able to come up with a quote where I said that "Tim Cooks statements should not be questioned!!"... which makes your claim of ME making things up even more hilarious as you're clearly the one doing that. So instead of blaming others for what you're doing yourself, maybe just call it quits.. :)
 
He shouldn't have backed down. He was right to fire back at Tim Cook for what he said, and he fired back in the right way. Now he just looks lame.

He was absolutely wrong by "firing back" with absolute lies. That's where he looked lame for the first time. Then he issued a lame excuse of an apology which isn't actually an apology for anything, and doesn't admit that he was lying, and that makes him look triple lame.
 
Me too, and how Tim reconciles his "not the Steve I knew" attitude with the proven fact that Jobs denied paternity to Lisa for years. IMO someone who denies his own daughter is a total peice of sh*t. Maybe you have to be a parent to understand...

Let's talk about Steve Jobs parents then.

Then let's ask his oldest daughter about her opinion. You can be all upset about what Steve Jobs did, but she herself hasn't said anything bad about him. Then ask his other children.
 
Cook is the CEO of a large, well known corporation. He has lots of influence in popular culture. He hasn't seen the movie and yet he denounced it. That'll stop people seeing it and it is exactly like burning books in the sense that people won't see the art that someone has created.

It's all together a shameful episode for Cook.

Oh, please. He isn't denouncing the movie. He is denouncing the fact that after Steve Jobs' death we are now at the sixth movie or so about him. Which is about five movies too many. You don't have to watch any of them to know that it is five too many.

And filming a biography isn't art. Filming a documentary isn't art. It can be useful and/or entertaining, but it isn't art. Citizen Kane was art. Another Steve Jobs biography isn't.
 
Though I think the hyperbole undermined his point, I think Sorkin was completely justified by responding. Why do we have these late night talk shows anyway? They are there so that celebrities can have a place to promote their latest projects.

Imagine you had just invested millions of dollars to create a movie, only to have someone on a talk show criticize it without seeing it (please don't keep the "he didn't specifically single it out" crap going, the fact that it's about to release makes it obvious that it was included in the question).

I think Sorkin should have said something to the effect that he hopes Tim doesn't make a habit of judging things without actually investigating them or something like that. And it is pretty hypocritical for Tim Cook to criticize anyone for being opportunistic. Apple avoids taxes by taking advantage of Irish tax laws and proudly justifies it, so calling someone opportunistic is the pot calling the kettle black.
 
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