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How would Lisa be a heroine and lead character? I read the biography, and she didn't seem that important compared to other people. Just one of his family relationships.
 
Exactly my point. His life can't be looked at through the lens of any one relationship, and even if it could Lisa wouldn't be the one. It is very difficult to see how Lisa really influenced his professional life since she wasn't there for any of the key moments. Now did regrets about Lisa influence Steve's decisions to try again and have a second family? Perhaps, but even they were secondary to his work. Did having Lisa around during the NeXT/Pixar years help Steve to mellow out? Sure, but so did the failure of being fired from Apple, the failure of NeXT to become a successful company, and the many other people he spent time with during that time period.

Now it's a great cliche that one should always put one's family first. If this movie were to really delve into that it might still have some redeeming value- are there circumstances where one should sacrifice one's family for the good of the future? Is running an electronics company one of those times? As it stands now however, there is no indication this movie will have any real depth, its three-act structure centered around product launches will clash with any attempt to discuss broader themes, the writer has shown no ability to rise above a lot of the crap that's out there about Jobs including Walter Isaacson's bio where he didn't ask Jobs any tough questions, and no actor who's anyone will touch this with a ten-foot pole.

As it turns out, Sorkin has a 13 year old daughter right now...
 
Yay...Lisa! :apple:
 

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anyone else not care much for another jobs movie at this point?

Well nothing so far has gone the big, big time in terms of showing in *most* US theaters or being a top-3 ticket seller, etc. I think that it would be cool to see an Apple-based movie that hits big with the widespread mainstream audience nationwide instead of remaining a niche movie only in select theaters. I think this movie will do that.

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Focusing on three business moments and his daughter sounds like a hot mess.

IDK, it sounds like a classic 3-act structure with his daughter as the motivation that takes the hero (Jobs) through his story arc of internal challenges while his career takes him through his external challenges.

The hero has to overcome challenges for there to be any drama.
 
Sounds boring

Haven't we already had a lame movie about Jobs?

Yes Steve Jobs turned Apple around and led the creation of some very cool consumer products. But lets get real, these products have a shelf life of a couple years, are made by exploited workers China, not upgradable, overprice, and Apple hoards its profits overseas to avoid paying taxes. At the same time Jobs, while driven, was not a very good person and by many accounts a complete *******.

Unless you load in a whole bunch of fictional content, there isn't much meat for an interesting plot.
 
The more they talk up/hype this movie, the less interesting it becomes. Enough with the minute to minute updates. Just make the movie and we will let you know if we like it.

You don't have to read about it just skip the articles.
 
Haven't we already had a lame movie about Jobs?

Yes Steve Jobs turned Apple around and led the creation of some very cool consumer products. But lets get real, these products have a shelf life of a couple years, are made by exploited workers China, not upgradable, overprice, and Apple hoards its profits overseas to avoid paying taxes. At the same time Jobs, while driven, was not a very good person and by many accounts a complete *******.

Unless you load in a whole bunch of fictional content, there isn't much meat for an interesting plot.


Steve Jobs came back to Apple when it was on the very brink of bankruptcy...Apple was literally about to tank at that time...and under Steve's leadership of streamlining operations at Apple, innovating the product line, and opening brick-and-mortar Apple stores worldwide, he transformed the company into the largest, most profitable company in the world. Without his leadership, guidance, and ideas on how to transform and grow the company, we likely would not be where we are today. It was not just iPhone and iPod, but yes, those products gave Apple name recognition in every household worldwide. EVERYONE knows about Apple and what the company is about today. And Apple has never been financially better-off than they are today. :apple:

Trust me, Steve wasn't mean to people like you and I...I have met him and talked with him. Very friendly and not mean at all. He welcomed me to San Francisco and was even interested in my user group and getting to know me. His personality on the job with his employees was where he got the most criticism, not in his dealings with everyday people. He was two different people in that regards.
 
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Bale and DiCaprio left not because the script is long, but because they saw the entire thing sucks :rolleyes::mad::mad::mad:
 
Steve Jobs came back to Apple when it was on the very brink of bankruptcy...Apple was literally about to tank at that time...and under Steve's leadership of streamlining operations at Apple, innovating the product line, and opening brick-and-mortar Apple stores worldwide, he transformed the company into the largest, most profitable company in the world.


I want to see that movie.
 
I think the critisism of Jobs as a man with difficult temper comes from his business dealings and management. You can't be nice and smile all time: when times are tough, you have to act tough and its when people get offended, but the business is business. You have to cut in order to survive, an art of management Jobs learned perfectly. It seems that Lisa did indeed impacted his father's life though we don't know exact extent of the impact. I think that the movie will have two axes: Jobs as businessman; Jobs as a human. It requires two axes of story: company and family (daughter).

The three key parts of this relationship is, I think as follows:

Born in 1978 she was small girl in 1986 when she met her famous father, who had hard time being left out of Apple; he is arrogant and doesn't accept Lisa fully.

By 1996 Jobs comes as savior to Apple and its also time when Lisa and her father fully reconcile; she lives in Jobs family. Jobs is no longer seen as arrogant, but is accepted back at Apple.

2001 is time when Apple is destined to to become in 12 years a single most valued company in the world, a path made by Jobs; he also devotes much more time to his family and this is around time when his illness first appears. Lisa grows up and leaves him for Harvard, her tuition is being paid by her father who 20 years ago rejected her and had court to undergo DNA test to accept Lisa. Jobs is much wiser as prepares for his famous Stanford speech later. In other words, both Apple and Lisa graduate and launch their new lives both leading to success.


So, yes, their lives intersect at some most crucial times, each time in a different way.
Moment 1. The departure: Young, rich and arrogant Jobs; small and poor Lisa; Apple parts with Jobs as Jobs is distant with his daughter.

Moment 2. The peace. Jobs as savior of the company and teenage Lisa come to peace, same as Apple and Jobs also make peace;

Moment 3. 2001. The launch of new path. Grand finale: Jobs and Apple both become as one; Jobs will give rest of his life to the company; this time its Lisa who leaves him. But she parts with him loving and missing and this shows how much they both have changed themselves, Apple and world. Apple will also leave Jobs, going ahead at full speed in mobile world at trajectory first charted by Jobs and iPod in 2001.

thats' how I see the arch of the story.
 
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What a strange premise for an entire movie.
Jobs had an interesting life and upbringing, why not focus on the whole story?=

That's a boring idea. It's not a documentary. It's a movie.

You build a movie by telling the story around a conflict.

I'm sure they'll incorporate in a lot of his life elements around that.
 
Leo's still fishing for his oscar. The way to get that is to play a historical figure.
The fact that he dropped out worries me...

By the way> Am I the only one thinking Daniel Day Lewis....
 
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