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About Iphones (why no 32GB model)
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In my house, apps have a minor impact on storage. The girls have ULD and use spotify so pics and vids fill the bulk of their storage. I have limits on my data so music stored locally is my main use of storage. We use apps but they don't take up much space.
You're half-right: This is about money. This is part of a formula that boils down to two things: How much it costs to source 16GB storage chips, and how many people are willing to buy the 16GB model.
With that in mind, Apple will keep selling 16GB iPhones until one of two things happen: it becomes too hard or expensive to get storage chips that low, or not enough people are willing to buy 16GB iPhones anymore.
This isn't the only place Apple has done this. The same calculus took place with the iPod Classic. And it's why, for now, Apple still makes a non-retina MacBook Pro with an optical drive.
Bottom line: Yes, Apple loves money. All businesses do. Apple is not a charity.
So what's the quickest way to get Apple to stop selling 16GB iPhones? Don't buy any.
Everyone thinking of buying an iPhone has to make a decision: if storage AND being in the Apple ecosystem are that important to you, then you need to buy up. If not, then you have to choose: make do with 16GB because using an Apple product is that important to you, or go to a different platform to get the storage you need.
It might not be the answer you want to hear, but it is what it is. We can complain about it all we like, but as long as they keep getting bought, Apple will keep making them that way.
There's likely more than just those factors to it. Apple likely could have kept on selling devices without bumps in RAM for even longer than they did yet they bump them up nonetheless (even if somewhat later than earlier in at least the recent case).
As for not buying any, the issue there is that the number doesn't matter it's just that the cheapest model will generally be the one that more people can and often enough will go for practically no matter what it is.
I myself think that 16GB is a terrible option, for nearly anyone right now.
I know 64 and 128 are available, and I always advise anyone that asks me to choose at least 64. But so many people will choose the least expensive option and end up with 16GB - but let's be honest, you actually get 12GB of useable space on that model. I've seen, so often, that people run out of storage and truly don't understand what to do. And they're not heavy users, they have a handful of apps and have hit the storage limit usually by taking photos and video. They're always genuinely frustrated, especially when I suggest to start using iCloud Photo Library (which includes paying for extra storage).
I get it, I've heard the argument over and over that plenty of people use 16GB devices and it's more than enough storage, or that there are many reasons for devices not to need more than 16GB. The problem is, too many non-technical people are purchasing 16GB that truly need more storage. I guess you could argue that there's a bit of education needed when these purchases occur. But at the end of the day, these are a lot of customers who have a poor experience, and I feel that Apple of all companies would put customer experience ahead of profit margin.
I know 64 and 128 are available, and I always advise anyone that asks me to choose at least 64. But so many people will choose the least expensive option and end up with 16GB - but let's be honest, you actually get 12GB of useable space on that model. I've seen, so often, that people run out of storage and truly don't understand what to do. And they're not heavy users, they have a handful of apps and have hit the storage limit usually by taking photos and video. They're always genuinely frustrated, especially when I suggest to start using iCloud Photo Library (which includes paying for extra storage).
I get it, I've heard the argument over and over that plenty of people use 16GB devices and it's more than enough storage, or that there are many reasons for devices not to need more than 16GB. The problem is, too many non-technical people are purchasing 16GB that truly need more storage. I guess you could argue that there's a bit of education needed when these purchases occur. But at the end of the day, these are a lot of customers who have a poor experience, and I feel that Apple of all companies would put customer experience ahead of profit margin.
No they couldn't - the 6+ was almost unusable because of insufficient RAM.
I would not possibly make do with 32GB nor 16GB. So I'm happy I had the option of starting at 64GB as the most viable option. Which is why I bought my iPhone. If it didn't give me what I wanted I would have gone elsewhere.
That's always an option.
That's always an option.
Yeah, try streaming all your music from the cloud and see how fast you run through your data. Not to mention how crappy that connection is off WiFi.
I already do and its working fine. I used to blow 40 gigs of data on Android but since moving to iPhone I barely break 5 gigs. Yea, I get that is just me. But people are going to best use what they have. Don't have a lot of data to spend? They'll pay for additional storage and work around it. Have the data? They'll use cloud services more.
You don't need to point out to me whats wrong with using more cloud services. Like a lot of things in life, there's more than one way to go about things and I was just merely offering one way that wasn't previously mentioned in the thread.
I think you are wrong. If more people continue to go for the 64gb instead of 16gb that just means the upselling plan works and there is no reason to change it.
I bet they will start offering iPhones in 32/128/256 configuration as early as this or by end of next year.
It all has to do with overall increase in bloat. Be that increase in various app sizes, or pics, 60fps 4K video sizes or even the bloated size of iOS itself. Once all that increases in proportion, Apple will bump up to 32 GB base model.
But by then, 32 GB will be the new 16 GB. So we will still be stuck in the same situation like today.
It all has to do with overall increase in bloat. Be that increase in various app sizes, or pics, 60fps 4K video sizes or even the bloated size of iOS itself. Once all that increases in proportion, Apple will bump up to 32 GB base model.
But by then, 32 GB will be the new 16 GB. So we will still be stuck in the same situation like today.
You want 4K and more mega-pixels and you call the support of those features bloat? Interesting how you believe hardware support comes with 0 bytes of coding in the o/s.
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Is this why auto makers offer 4 and 6 cylinder models?
Where's your source for this? I find it hard to believe that when Apple made 16GB standard for iPhone (in 2009), that 7 years later (with 4K video, 1080p video with 60fsp, 12 MP images, Live Photos, Retina Apps) that 16GB is still plenty.
It's like saying 'people don't fully use LTE speeds, 3G is plenty". Yeah, it may be plenty for a few but times have changed with high quality music, HD video etc...The very idea that people defend this bizarre.
Where's the proof to back up the claims that loads of folk are struggling and its a disgrace that folk are made to struggle with 16gb. I've known plenty of folk that have had 8gb or 16gb phones and dont have issues as they are downloading huge game apps or filling it with video and music. For every self proclaimed "Power User" on here there will be loads of folk who dont really care enough outside of messaging, odd photo and some social networking apps!
For example my other half coped with her 8gb 4s and now has plenty of space on her 16gb 5s even taking loads of photos.
I will say this, as bad as 16gb is, and should be avoided, there is a reason why Apple mass manufacturers 16gb Ipad's. Also, the following data is related to the Iphone but I find it interesting:
Apple Will Save $3 Billion in 2015 by Selling the 16GB iPhone 6/6 Plus
http://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/20...illion-in-2015-by-selling-16gb-iphone-66-plus
Apple Will Save $3 Billion in 2015 by Selling the 16GB iPhone 6/6 Plus
http://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/20...illion-in-2015-by-selling-16gb-iphone-66-plus
Understand that Apple, a business, makes more money with 16GB at $650 and some people here are investors. Doesn't seem bizarre now does it.
No proof...my point was Apple deemed 16GB acceptable in 2009. With everything that changed HD video, 240fps, 4K video, Live Photos on my default, retina assets, it's backwards to say 16GB would still be acceptable.
My own proof is that more than 4 of my non-tech friends asked me how to update to iOS 8 in 2014 because they got a "not enough storage space for an update". I said to use iTunes and they got more confused.
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True but Apple's core competency is/was user-experience. Apple deemed 16GB acceptable in 2009. With everything that changed HD video, 240fps, 4K video, Live Photos on my default, retina assets, it's backwards to say 16GB would still be acceptable.
This is Tim Cook's Apple so I know it's investor focused and not customer-centric.
There was a time Steve Jobs said that 4 inch phone was the perfect size and anything bigger was ridiculous, look at i phone 6 and 6 plus.
Time changes what may have been good in the past may not be good enough anymore, i am not saying 4 inch is useless.
16GB may have been perfect in the past, but now it be more restricted.
Time changes what may have been good in the past may not be good enough anymore, i am not saying 4 inch is useless.
16GB may have been perfect in the past, but now it be more restricted.
When customer focus is lost one knows it. Given the recent quarter it does not appear customer focus was lost.
I have a theory that the rumored new 4" iPhone "5se" will come in 32 GB and fill the gap in capacity that currently exists between 16 GB and 64 GB.
According to my theory, the iPhone 5se will likely have 32 GB capacity, 1 GB of RAM, and an A8 processor and will cost around $500. If the customer wants a larger screen, they can go with the 6S and get a 4.7" screen, 2 GB of RAM and an A9 processor but it will cost $650 for the 16 GB model as it does today.
My rationale behind this theory is based on how MacBook Pro pricing works:
For $1799, you get a 13" screen, i5 processor, 8 GB of RAM, and a 512 GB SSD
For $1999, you get a 15" screen, i7 processor, 16 GB of RAM, and a 256 GB SSD
Just a theory; but I think perhaps Apple planned to have the "5se" fill the capacity gap between 16 GB and 64 GB all along.
According to my theory, the iPhone 5se will likely have 32 GB capacity, 1 GB of RAM, and an A8 processor and will cost around $500. If the customer wants a larger screen, they can go with the 6S and get a 4.7" screen, 2 GB of RAM and an A9 processor but it will cost $650 for the 16 GB model as it does today.
My rationale behind this theory is based on how MacBook Pro pricing works:
For $1799, you get a 13" screen, i5 processor, 8 GB of RAM, and a 512 GB SSD
For $1999, you get a 15" screen, i7 processor, 16 GB of RAM, and a 256 GB SSD
Just a theory; but I think perhaps Apple planned to have the "5se" fill the capacity gap between 16 GB and 64 GB all along.