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I have had the iPhone 4 on AT&T since it came out, but I will be getting the 4S. Why, you ask? Because AT&T can take their overpriced plans and capped data and shove it up their ***. Sprint with a cheaper bill and unlimited data, here I come. I will just sell my current 32g iPhone 4 and be out nothing. Simple. :)

actually... you will be out about 2,000 dollars.... newsflash.. ATT got the best of you...
 
Looking closer to this iPhone5 mockup picture in this article, it becomes more and more apparent how bad it really looks. Cheap ugly Android style crappy design.

The iPhone 4(s) design simply remains absolute brilliant and far ahead of all of the so called competition.

Pretty sure that the real future "iPhone 5" will again have a breakthrough Apple design, unlike the mockup we've seen so far.
 
What I don't understand is that Apple has awesome engineers and designers; not make a 3.5 inch classic, and a 4 inch as well. Maybe even a third style of phone if possible. Not overlapping like Samsung and HTC does where you have overlapping phones designs in some ways. Either way I think the iphone4 design is very nice and the screen size is fine for me personally, but it would be nice of they catered to more people with a little more choices.
 
No, that's false information. My buddy from the inside told me it's going to be called iPhone Shuffle. With no screen or buttons it just randomly calls people on your contact list.

That's called a 'Nokia'. My old one used to do that already. Could have sworn it was a feature of the phone that wasn't in the manual.

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What I don't understand is that Apple has awesome engineers and designers; not make a 3.5 inch classic, and a 4 inch as well. Maybe even a third style of phone if possible. Not overlapping like Samsung and HTC does where you have overlapping phones designs in some ways. Either way I think the iphone4 design is very nice and the screen size is fine for me personally, but it would be nice of they catered to more people with a little more choices.

That's not their market strategy. Apple could easily start bolting the biggest screen that comes along, and almost every single little thing that gets invented into their phones, but they would be crap phones. Dodgy devices that were poorly thought out, and consist of extremely poor build quality.

Secondly, Apple currently has a large screen device. It's called an iPad.

No one complained about the size of the iPhone screen till android phones started to bolt on larger screens. Trouble is, the larger screen Androids are quite worthless, as the OS doesn't resize aspect particularly well with a lot of apps.
 
What I don't understand is that Apple has awesome engineers and designers; not make a 3.5 inch classic, and a 4 inch as well. Maybe even a third style of phone if possible. Not overlapping like Samsung and HTC does where you have overlapping phones designs in some ways. Either way I think the iphone4 design is very nice and the screen size is fine for me personally, but it would be nice of they catered to more people with a little more choices.

I'd guess they don't do this because it would be very expensive to design, develop and manufacture a number of different models, and that all it would achieve is fragmenting the market they already have - meaning they wouldn't sell more phones, but would vastly increase their costs.

The way they cope with that at the present time is to utilize existing designs to cater for different market segments; the 3GS free with contract, the 4 $99 with contract and then the 4S for the mainstream. That way their only ongoing costs for the cheaper units are manufacture and distribution, which wouldn't deviate much from a single product range.
 
naming sequence for the future:

Current:
iPhone (version number)

Future:
uPhone
wePhone

then after Apple conquers and buys out all other technologies:
wiiAllPhone
 
That's not their market strategy. Apple could easily start bolting the biggest screen that comes along, and almost every single little thing that gets invented into their phones, but they would be crap phones. Dodgy devices that were poorly thought out, and consist of extremely poor build quality.

Secondly, Apple currently has a large screen device. It's called an iPad.

No one complained about the size of the iPhone screen till android phones started to bolt on larger screens. Trouble is, the larger screen Androids are quite worthless, as the OS doesn't resize aspect particularly well with a lot of apps.

I am well aware of their strategy. It makes it cheaper for them to concentrate on one. I feel near 100% if they had two models (sizes) launching at the same time they would sell everyone one of them. You can do more than one and not have one of them be crappy.

I'd guess they don't do this because it would be very expensive to design, develop and manufacture a number of different models, and that all it would achieve is fragmenting the market they already have - meaning they wouldn't sell more phones, but would vastly increase their costs.

The way they cope with that at the present time is to utilize existing designs to cater for different market segments; the 3GS free with contract, the 4 $99 with contract and then the 4S for the mainstream. That way their only ongoing costs for the cheaper units are manufacture and distribution, which wouldn't deviate much from a single product range.

I just cant buy the cost part of it though when other companies release a lot more devices and dont have financial issues. Not saying that Apple needs 70 different phones, I was saying 2-3 styles. 100% guaranteed they all would sell. No doubt about it.
 
I just cant buy the cost part of it though when other companies release a lot more devices and dont have financial issues. Not saying that Apple needs 70 different phones, I was saying 2-3 styles. 100% guaranteed they all would sell. No doubt about it.

When you bear in mind the relatively small slice of cellular market that Apple are selling into, fragmenting their product line would inevitably result in cannibalising their own sales to a level that they couldn't realistically hope to compensate by the potentially expanded their market.

Other companies can accomplish it with very narrow profit margins and rolling over relatively basic product designs which are built with materials that can be sourced at lowest available costs. Apple relies of high profit margins, uniquely designed products which utilise premium materials which have relatively high costs.

In other words, Apple could do what you propose if they stop being Apple. But then the products wouldn't be any more worth buying than their competitors, so without their niche in the market they would be unlikely to achieve the kind of sales volume they do at present.
 
The only people disappointed are the .01% of Apple's customers who frequent tech blogs. The rest of the world will be pleased as punch to get the latest iPhone, as they should be. It's freaking awesome.
 
When you bear in mind the relatively small slice of cellular market that Apple are selling into, fragmenting their product line would inevitably result in cannibalising their own sales to a level that they couldn't realistically hope to compensate by the potentially expanded their market.

Other companies can accomplish it with very narrow profit margins and rolling over relatively basic product designs which are built with materials that can be sourced at lowest available costs. Apple relies of high profit margins, uniquely designed products which utilise premium materials which have relatively high costs.

In other words, Apple could do what you propose if they stop being Apple. But then the products wouldn't be any more worth buying than their competitors, so without their niche in the market they would be unlikely to achieve the kind of sales volume they do at present.

I get what your saying about their strategy. Obviously its working for them (looks at profits) LOL

Have to agree to disagree with ya on the fact I feel having a mere 2 maybe 3 models would be a good thing for them. They would still be Apple, and IMHO it would be good for a consumer in an Apple store to see a smaller version and larger one and see which they fill fits them better. I just simply cant see that as a bad thing.
 
Well I've had a thought about it now. I am not happy with what Apple have launched, my main problem really is the fact it still has a glass back and is heavy. An iPhone 4S that is lighter with a plastic or liquid metal back would have done me.
So for the moment I shall have to keep my iPhone 4 and play around with iOS5. I would switch but I've sent too much money on apps to do that, and iOS is fairly good.
Anyway by the time I would have the money to change, seeing as it's now October!, it would be next year anyway so I may as well wait for an iPhone 5 anyway and hopefully a lighter design with an A6 and metal back. Pretty much what everyone else wanted..

Man I'm a hypocrite.. but still pissed at Apple for making the damn new phone heavier! It's one of my issues with the phone, it's weight, and the glass back.
 
While I have no issue with the 4S. I think it is safe to assume Steve Jobs retired when he did as he knew there would be a backlash on release and wanted to leave on a high.

Anyone willing to agree with that assumption?
 
While I have no issue with the 4S. I think it is safe to assume Steve Jobs retired when he did as he knew there would be a backlash on release and wanted to leave on a high.

Anyone willing to agree with that assumption?

He just passed away...
 
Apple is the best troll around.


Apple NEVER said they were Redesigning the IPhone and they NEVER released Specs, drawings or pictures. So, why are they at fault here??

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That mockup is bad to begin with. Why Apple would make a gigantic home button is beyond me? If anything, Apple would remove it altogether and do some weird sensitive touch thing.

Like I kept saying every month. 4S, not 5.


Apple NEVER did anything!! Nobody knows where all this information came from!! Do you??
 
It’s a neat design, but also would feel awkward held sideways.

If it all comes from a single leaked device—which itself we have never seen a photo of—then who’s to say it’s an Apple device? Lots of knock-offs have Apple logos—or maybe it had no logo! In any case, it could be an unproduced (yet?) device from anyone—not necessarily from Apple just because the original source claimed so and case makers believed it.

It could, for instance, be an iPod Touch knockoff, since it has that styling.

Or it could be an Apple experiment with no internals—just a shell test with an empty glass hole! And it may never have gotten any farther than that.

I do like the idea of a slightly (not much) larger screen, and/or less margin. But I’d be happy to see it in the same styling as the iPhone 4, rather than the sharp-edged iPod styling.

Guess I’ll get to find out in person, since my contract runs out next year :) Whatever’s out, I can have it!
 
Exactly. I would much rather prefer this method than major redesigns that offer nothing new...or what they offer is a shiny new buggy mess.

Unfortunately I think this is where the Android-powered devices have screwed up everyone's line of thought. There are new Android phones coming out all the time. It seems like every other day I see a commercial for next Droid "iwillcrushyourlastphone" phone that gets people thinking "Wow, I've had the same phone for over a year, I MUST be behind." But, what I've come to like about my iPhone and other Apple products is how well they work and how LONG they stay working well. I had the Motorola Droid 1 and it was crawling a year later. I had very few apps and did far less than I do on my iPhone 4. My iPhone a year later is still running like the day I bought it, with FAR MORE apps, music etc. I want more of that which is why I applaud the way Apple does their thing...and it's why I won't switch back to Android-powered phones any time soon.

Very well said. I have an EVO 4G. Decent phone as far as Androids go but not the smoothest experience. Since I bought this phone I have seen a procession of new phones being released by HTC and Samsung and Motorola. I started thinking to myself recently that for Android users this has got to be frustrating. You buy what you believe to be the latest greatest phone which has been out for about 30 or 45 days just to see a new phone that is reportedly better and has "better" specs than your phone. What are you supposed to do or think? Why the hell did they release this piece of crap knowing that six weeks later they were releasing something better?

Now as an Android user you have to start feeling like all these new phones are nothing more than a money grab. Why the hell would HTC release 6 or 8 phones within a 12 month period if not for the money grab? So phone A has a better screen but phone B has better processor. Phone C has more memory. Phone D has a better processor but a smaller screen. Phone E has a ginormous screen but it's light and plastic feeling. Phone F has better battery life but everything else sucks. When will they manage to put it all together into one package?

Prior to Android I think I upgraded my phone about 2 to 3 years apart. But now I'm expected to upgrade yearly? Or every six months? Ridiculous!

I do appreciate Apple's release schedule and when I finally now get an iPhone I can ignore all the shiny new Androids. I will say this however, While I do appreciate Apple's position and schedule, the market is getting more competitive each and every day. My fear is that if Apple does in fact wait an entire year to release the next gen iPhone (I refuse to put a name to it because it doesn't matter what it's called) they stand to be the company catching up. I know there are some people in this forum that think they are already "catching up" but I don't think that just yet.

While Siri, a better camera, the A5 processor and iCloud are all great updates. I don't know how it will be viewed by Joe Consumer. We geeks understand processors RAM HSDPA+ but average Joe/Jane don't know about these things and don't care. They are going to be sold to by young kids who will tell them that Android phone B is a lot more powerful because it's 1.5 GHz while the iPhone is 1.0GHz or maybe 800MHz and the screen is 2" bigger and it has 1GB of RAM when Joe/Jane's eyes start glazing over all they'll really hear is that the iPhone isn't as good. Please don't forget that Android phones are sold in more outlets than are iPhones. In some cases Joe Customer won't even get to see the iPhone to compare side by side. If the salesperson is working on commission Joe's not leaving without a phone.

Mr Jobs was right when he said that people don't know what they need or want. That "We (Apple) have to show them". But in the coming year I fear that while he was right it may in fact hurt Apple. HTC and Samsung will continue to spit out new phones at a blistering pace. Samsung phones especially of late have been getting very good reviews. In a couple weeks they are going to introduce a new phone with a curved screen and Ice Cream Sandwich. It may blow the roof off.

Now please, don't misunderstand me here. I'm not saying in any way that Samsung phones are better or anything of that nature. But these phones will get tremendous coverage from the tech press and will more than likely get very good reviews. The iPhone 4S may get lost in the flood of all the new phones. And that's only two weeks away. We have another 50 weeks before a new iPhone gets released.

I like the current iPhone and will more than likely buy it(Depending on what Sprint offers me as a current customer I may have to wait for the next iPhone) I think it's fine in it's current iteration. I just don't know if Apple's expectations will be realized this year and if they're not will Apple be pressured into releasing the new iPhone in the spring? I wonder.
 
There will never be an 'iPhone 5'

If there's a major redesign, it'll be the iPhone 6. Of this I'm pretty confident, considering:

iPhone
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3Gs
iPhone 4
iPhone 4s

Why would they call their 6th iPhone the iPhone 5?
 
If there's a major redesign, it'll be the iPhone 6. Of this I'm pretty confident, considering:

iPhone
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3Gs
iPhone 4
iPhone 4s

Why would they call their 6th iPhone the iPhone 5?

Because it comes after 4. Why would they call their 2nd phone 3G or their 5th phone 4S?

arn
 
Have to agree to disagree with ya on the fact I feel having a mere 2 maybe 3 models would be a good thing for them. They would still be Apple, and IMHO it would be good for a consumer in an Apple store to see a smaller version and larger one and see which they fill fits them better. I just simply cant see that as a bad thing.

It's not a bad thing from the consumer's point of view, but it's a bad thing from Apple's, simply because it would significantly increase their costs, yet likely not increase their income. A corporate that willingly and deliberately undermines it's own bottom line would hardly remain fiscally responsible in the eyes of investors. In view of the use of previous models to place iPhones in cheaper buy-in markets, it seems likely that Apple considered this and recognised that it would not work, and would not fit their DNA.
 
Guys, let's not complain about the fact that it was named the 4S... the S was for our beloved Steve... May he rest in peace.

Just be happy because the phone is now 2x faster, has 7x the graphics performance, and works around the world. Plus, it will have iOS 5, iCloud, and the benefits of Siri, a voice-based AI and personal assistant.
 
It's not a bad thing from the consumer's point of view, but it's a bad thing from Apple's, simply because it would significantly increase their costs, yet likely not increase their income. A corporate that willingly and deliberately undermines it's own bottom line would hardly remain fiscally responsible in the eyes of investors. In view of the use of previous models to place iPhones in cheaper buy-in markets, it seems likely that Apple considered this and recognised that it would not work, and would not fit their DNA.

For poops and giggles though lets say they had 2 phones. A classic 3.5 screen and a 4 inch. Both sold out and consistently sold at a tremendous rate throughout the year cycle. Wouldnt both phones make them lots of $$$. Seems basic but I have no clue about how that stuff actually works, I couldnt see them losing cash if 2 models were successful. They do keep the 3GS around for another year as well.

I just can't grasp the 'why' I guess.
 
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