You are right. (And I think 10A190 in fact has Core Image, it is some GPUs drivers are not there.)
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You are right. (And I think 10A190 in fact has Core Image, it is some GPUs drivers are not there.)
I'm more than pleased with the last Mac to my vintage tool kit. I owe it to the contributors here and most notably users like Amethyst, Lightbulbfan, Eyoungren and tsiAlex that continually share in-depth knowledge and experience. There are others and plenty more that deserve recognition.
I am left with two questions in regards to the OS 9 side of this project and hope somebody has more input.
Still can't get sound through the AUX port. I'm told this is supposed to work and that I can amplify it and I can't find anybody else having this issue.
How does an SSD work with OS 9 if no TRIM function?
I am left with two questions in regards to the OS 9 side of this project and hope somebody has more input.
Still can't get sound through the AUX port. I'm told this is supposed to work and that I can amplify it and I can't find anybody else having this issue.
How does an SSD work with OS 9 if no TRIM function?
OSX PPC has no trim either. But SSDs do have trim on their own, at least decent ones.
Neither have Tiger or Leopard on Intel.
With that I assume you mean stock Leopard? That's for sure. My point was that Sorbet and 10.6 on PPC are two different things, at least to me. And I'd probably run both to get the best of both worlds, but that's just me.
That depends on your definition of originality I guess. But it's not an Accord or Integra either.
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Maybe when it was first released but many users have found optimised 10.5.8 a joy to use for years.
Agree. And with known limitations, Leopard is still usable today. Tiger – well, not so much. It is much harder to get things working on it, if at all possible.
Apart from a very minor speed bump and a doubling of VRAM in the silent upgrade to the Mac Mini, Apple did something with the audio subsystem such that running OS9 natively on it via Sorbet Leopard or the MacOS9lives hacked OS9 installer will not give working audio. Last time I looked, nobody had solved the issue.
You will need to budget a couple of $ for a USB audio dongle if you want working sound under OS9.
Makes me wonder what to do with the SM951 I have in Leopard. Has anybody got a script to basically do what TRIM does by writing zeros to old blocks?
I am not sure where to begin with making Leopard useable. Regarding my other project, I've had such a hard time finding any Leopard support. First hurdle is even being able to search for the damn thing! Since most sites don't allow proper search functions, I can't subtract or prune "snow" from the "Leopard" in my results. So every time I try to search for a solution, it leads to a Snow Leopard thread. That's the reason I have to refer to it as Pardus Leopard to help cache it for searching.
I've had the hardest time getting any compatibility. I can barely access a few web sites with Safari, can't find any modern Leopard (intel) browsers, most compatible app versions are purged from the net, and 90% of responses end with "just install Snow Leopard. It's so much better."
Secondly, I've only had poor experiences going from Tiger to Leopard on G4's. Of course I do mean 10.5.8. My PowerBook G4 12" could play downloaded YouTube content, I designed many things in some AutoCAD or 3D modelling software that I can't recall, was great for certain games, and was my only machine for about a year (2011-2012) before my MacBook Air came along. It was always a degree away from supercriticality, though. I don't mind that Sorbet Leopard has current support, the App Store, and is super-refined such that it is even faster than Tiger. It's all a welcome bonus, IMO. I have my Mac Pro for Leopard.
Maybe you've confused Sorbet Leopard with OpenCore Legacy Patcher? Sorbet is a development by one of the forum members which improves Leopard specifically on PowerPC and adds some modern functionality.
You seem to be out of the loop - for years Youtube streaming has been available even on G3s first with my clunky youtube-dl/mplayer scripts then with the superior PPCMC7 solution from @alex_free
Youtube has also been perfectly playable for years on G4s with Tiger or Leopard via browser plugins and or switching to mobile device user agents - not to mention the dedicated players from @wicknix
I do not think that any improvements were made specifically for PPC, if you mean cpu-specific stuff. (Correct me if I am wrong.)
I believe nothing was backported from libraries and frameworks from 10.6.8 too (libdispatch, libblocksruntime etc.).
No, I've had a complete brainfart and confuzzled Sorbet Leopard with OS9. 🤦♂️ The audio issue is only there if you want to run OS9 directly on the Mac Mini rather than in Classic mode. Otherwise not an issue.
I got this one in a PowerBook, it's great. At its price it's a much better option than some questionable SSDs from China with the same capacity.
Do you have another, more modern version of OS X that can issue the TRIM command on the Mac Pro? The TRIM command is issued to the drive, affecting all partitions on it.
And what about the "Erase Free Space" option in Disk Utility?
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Is this forum’s Leopard thread useful? Most applications listed are universal binaries — but finding them might prove difficult.
The vast majority of people running Leopard do so on PPC Macs, not Intel ones …
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MorphOS. Trust me.
If you're having problems tracking down older releases of software then this is where you turn to the Wayback Machine, oldversion.com and the indispensable Mac Garden.
It may be a year old now, but there is an intel port of tenfourfox still available.
TenFourFox - Browse /unstable/contrib at SourceForge.net
Mozilla for Power Macintosh
Cheers
While we're at it, how much work do you reckon it would be to build Arctic Fox etc. for 10.4 (or 10.5) on Intel?
Not sure why there is still confusion about Sorbet on this forum and I'm not sure whether your view is right or wrong but, to be succinct, Sorbet is 10.5.8 optimized to make the most of PowerPC systems and to attach some 10.6.8 functionality. The developer clearly states that it is faster than Pardus Leopard and tests from users prove that it is even faster than Tiger which was the benchmark for performance on PPC for years. Has everybody in this forum just forgotten that, at one point, Tiger was the "defacto" performance boost for PPC? Just search back to 2009-2012 posts of users complaining that installing Leopard made their G4 run slower. If 10.5.8 was "not an issue" then why is Snow Leopard still remembered as the "pinnacle" of OS X for it's performance enhancements?
I am. I do know that there are YouTube apps for PPC but I also see that, to this day, users are struggling to get smooth playback in-browser. I'll try some plugins in Sorbet and even Tiger and report back. Point-being, though, that these are all patches and work-arounds and that is the root of most PowerPC user's grief, especially if they are not savvy.
Yes and no. Thank you. I'll try to grab as many of these as I can track down but the thread seems more aimed at PPC, yet again. It says Aperture 2 is the latest Leopard compatible version but I'm running Aperture 3 in Leopard on my Mac Pro. That's, I guess, because 2 was the last version to support PPC.
I sleep pretty good at night knowing there is one fewer Mac Mini defiled.
It may be a year old now, but there is an intel port of tenfourfox still available.
TenFourFox - Browse /unstable/contrib at SourceForge.net
Mozilla for Power Macintoshsourceforge.net
Cheers
I look forward to trying it. I didn't bother, before, because I heard it is no longer being developed. It feels so different using older systems that are no longer web-capable. It's like owning an old tube TV but there's no analog broadcasts anymore.
I'll catch up with the other posts and questions once I get back to the project. Quite overwhelmed with other endeavors and work now.
My Powerbook with 10.5.8 and Leopard WebKit - no hacks, plugins or workarounds (apart from toggling to a mobile device user agent):
Granted, Leopard can be slow but nearly everyone on this forum either goes through a muscle memory routine of post install optimisations or restores their image from a previously customised setup.
I suspect a lot of grumbles in the past are from users upgrading to Leopard without the requisite recommended GPU and experiencing a little CPU drain to manage those extra graphical features.
That's a conceptual problem, more than a real one.
Most Mac users aren't as tech savvy, and don't see any reason to be, because Apple has marketed their products as "just work" (We do the complicated tech stuff/work, and you just play/enjoy).
The problem to use a Web-Browser as anything that wasn't rendering web-pages, it's to use a tool for a different purpose that was originally designed, so we create a different set of "solutions" to solve a problem that we didn't have at the first place.
What's it's more efficient, to develop a proper video-player that will have all the codecs, optimizations, to really leverage the hardware to do one task, or to use anything that isn't build from the ground up that also "can play videos"?
Just as a Swiss-knife, it's a great engineering tool, it's really useful, but almost every mini-tool that it has can't be really compared to his full-size counterpart in terms of efficiency, output, ergonomics etc.
That means the Swiss-knife it's useless? Absolutely not, it have his purpose as a multi-tool, but to use as a full replacement of a proper tool. That's counter productive.
If you have an music-player application, that will require some CPU cycles, memory etc, if you do the same task on a web-browser it will utilize 2X sometimes even more to to the same task. And considering if it can perform the same task at the same quality output.
That's why in the *NIX philosophy they have the concept: "Do one thing, and do it well" so that piece of software will be the right tool for that specific purpose, be editing pictures, play videos, or just an calculator.
As technology evolves we have more resources as never before, but instead of optimizing, we are using a web-browser as a Photoshop replacement, Video-Call, HD Video Player, Word processing. In my humble opinion that's an abomination, but because people are getting more lazy to properly install and configure software, they "just wanna their thing to work"
I know this analogy falls short with computers but you can hook up an external digital broadcast receiver to the analog TV’s inputs and continue using it that way.
I'd be interested to see how they evaluated that (apart from a Geekbench result)
I recently tested Tiger and Leopard together on the same Powerbook - the results were interesting with Leopard leading on online use:
I reckon it’s also worth asking @eyoungren if he happens to have a specific piece of software as part of his comprehensive backups.
In this case it would be very helpful to edit the wiki thread to include that information. I mean, I also listed Leopard-compatible hypervisors which are, by definition, Intel-only.