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Apple is looking for one breakout show leading to an Academy award. Obviously, their content will grow, and there should be a deep bench of shows to widen appeal, but one hit show is everything. How many people were aware that HBO had any programming besides Game of Thrones during that show’s peak? Even more fundamentally, how much of a game changer was it for streaming services like Netflix to start winning Oscars with original content?
Oscars are only for movies, not shows. You mean Emmys
 
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A lot of people will just stick with the free services such as MediaBox HD as you can get all of Netflix, Apple TV+, etc content for free as long you can put up with the ads, I think a lot of users would go the free route
 
Disney+ will crush Apple TV+ based on available content alone. Verizon is giving away a 1 year subscription to Disney+; I'll take that any day over Apple TV+.

I understand why Apple feels they need to jump into the streaming service. However, building content from the ground up is a bad move. In this aspect they aren't an industry leader but an industry follower. Apple would have been better off acquiring Netflix or some other streaming service.
All they needed was to offer at least some of the iTunes catalogue, like Netflix.
 
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Millions. Literally millions of people. Are you for real now? HBO has been around for almost fifty years!
All those Last Week Tonight viewers on YouTube, even.
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All they needed was to offer at least some of the iTunes catalogue, like Netflix.
I’m certain they didn’t think of that. Email Tim Cook now before it’s too late.
 
Things grow and evolve. So many of you are automatically counting the service out and comparing it to DISNEY and NETFLIX who have had a HUGE headstart.

Well, yes, woe betide anybody who actually compares an Apple product/service with the main competition because that's just not fair.

I'm not going to write Apple TV+ off without watching a single show, but its impossibly unrealistic to expect more than one or two "home runs" out of even a dozen new shows. Netflix, HBO, Amazon all started off with a ton of licensed content, and gradually moved into original programming - and all now have a bunch of valuable properties. Meanwhile you can't get away from the fact that Disney owns half of popular culture and Disney+ will be mandatory to every parent without an iron will.

Apple is making a really, really "courageous" decision to try and launch a TV streaming service, cold, with just brand-new, untried shows in the face of well-established competition. The last time they did that was the Mac - and that was a very distinctive product with clear technical advantages built on Xerox Apple expertise. ATV+ is just more of the sort of post-streaming TV shows that Netflix/Amazon/HBO are turning out.

Their only trump card here is their strong position in hardware sales - so, yes, the free year with iPhone and iPad sales is pretty central to what they are doing.

OTOH, Apple have their famous gold-filled swimming pool and can afford to subsidise a few hobbies, and if it all goes pear-shaped they can sell any successful shows to Disney or Netflix.

Did iCloud have a great start when it was ProTools or Me? Did Apple Music have a great start. Does any website or service have an amazing start?

Reality check: iCloud never, and will probably never be, particularly attractive to anybody without a Mac or iDevice - its one and only selling point is tight integration with MacOS and iOS. Apple Music probably wouldn't even be a thing if the iTunes store (which was among the first legal music download stores) hadn't gone before it.
 
Well, yes, woe betide anybody who actually compares an Apple product/service with the main competition because that's just not fair.

I'm not going to write Apple TV+ off without watching a single show, but its impossibly unrealistic to expect more than one or two "home runs" out of even a dozen new shows. Netflix, HBO, Amazon all started off with a ton of licensed content, and gradually moved into original programming - and all now have a bunch of valuable properties. Meanwhile you can't get away from the fact that Disney owns half of popular culture and Disney+ will be mandatory to every parent without an iron will.

Apple is making a really, really "courageous" decision to try and launch a TV streaming service, cold, with just brand-new, untried shows in the face of well-established competition. The last time they did that was the Mac - and that was a very distinctive product with clear technical advantages built on Xerox Apple expertise. ATV+ is just more of the sort of post-streaming TV shows that Netflix/Amazon/HBO are turning out.

Their only trump card here is their strong position in hardware sales - so, yes, the free year with iPhone and iPad sales is pretty central to what they are doing.

OTOH, Apple have their famous gold-filled swimming pool and can afford to subsidise a few hobbies, and if it all goes pear-shaped they can sell any successful shows to Disney or Netflix.



Reality check: iCloud never, and will probably never be, particularly attractive to anybody without a Mac or iDevice - its one and only selling point is tight integration with MacOS and iOS. Apple Music probably wouldn't even be a thing if the iTunes store (which was among the first legal music download stores) hadn't gone before it.

Well said! :)
 
iCloud is still not considered all that great when it's compared to Google Cloud or AWS. Apple Music started off with much better footing thanks in large part to iTunes and the iPod.

If we want the prime example of an Apple product that continues to suffer and likely won't get better. You need to look no further than Siri. Siri has been active for 8 years...8 years! And it still continues to lag behind Alexa and Google Assistant in terms of usefulness and quality.

Being critical or offering constructive feedback doesn't equate to hating Apple. It means there are people who don't view Apple thru rose colored glasses.
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I don't think Apple has the luxury of time on their side. AppleNews+ has not taken off as Apple hoped. Bottom Line...There are too many streaming options and subscription fatigue is starting to become a factor.



Bro... I criticize and critique Apple all the time Lol. But have you read the comments on this article? People are literally bashing ATV+ without even having watched any of the shows. Yes Siri pales in comparison to the competition, but my point is that Apple does so many other things well and a LOT of their products/services improve o

How much time/money has Apple invested in Siri? Who knows. How much money and how much talent has Apple invested in ATV+? A LOT.

Yes I expect a lot from Apple because of their tenure and cash pile, but USUALLY things get better even if they don’t start out great. We will see.
 
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It's pathetic. There is nothing to watch. At all. I've literally already watched whatever I'd even consider watching. ON THE WHOLE 'PLATFORM'

I dont get why apple is doing this, the expense and cashflow involved to do this makes no,swnse.

just increase the dividend instead and stop trying to pump share prices. Back in the days people held stock for the dividend.
 
I’ve already set a reminder in calendar to cancel next October, since I was so underwhelmed that I will probably forget to even open it again by then. We barely use Amazon Video and that one is “free” since we have Prime. Between Sling, Tablo (for over the air tv), Amazon Video, and the Roku channel we have plenty of options since dropping cable. Yet another app to open looking for content (especially as minimal as Apple’s is) isn’t helpful.
iOS 14 is going to have a reminders bug, guaranteed
 
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Does this opinion factor in the included 1 year subscription for new devices?

That is 60$ per device for a user that actually will watch any of the content. Also selling new devices = selling included subscriptions, so iPhone ads also contribute to Apple TV+ marketing.
 
Apple needs to incorporate a live streaming tv service (like YouTube TV, Playstation Vue, etc) into Apple TV+. Then people will subscribe.
 
Apple TV+ will effectively be a $5B USD annual loss for Apple, until they decide to kill it, perhaps 3-4 years from now.

At some point they will realize the Grass Isn't Always Greener Elsewhere.
 
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Problem with The Morning Show is no-one outside of North America cares about that distinctly US cultural phenom of daytime TV. A programme about a TV programme.

Accept that Tim and Eddy hate their European customers but they do need to appeal outside of a very narrow US collegiate target audience for this to succeed.
 
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I haven’t dug in yet but until they do something about the AppleTV remote, I don’t really want to engage with mine. I guess I should see if they have an AppleTV app for LG’s webOS because that would solve it for me.
 
Dead on arrival. Nobody wants the watered-down milquetoast programming that Tim Cook approves. It's like living inside the politically correct, mind-numbingly simplistic blasé universe of a 2019 Apple keynote address.

Boring!
 
Does it? Really haven’t seen any ATV+ adverts “in a wild” outside Apple of forums
In the UK I saw an advert for ATV+ during the free-to-air Rugby World Cup (RWC) final TV coverage. I can't remember if it was pre-match or during half time. I realise that RWC final is probably a bit of a "so what?" thing in the USA and many other countries but to put it into context, given that England was in the final, I suspect that was one of the most expensive ad slots per minute for the whole of 2019 so Apple definitely going big in the UK on that one.
 
All Apple wants is for people to use the atv app. Whether you buy atv+ or hbo, it doesn’t matter. In fact when a so called competitor launches a new service and makes it available on Apple TV, it only adds to and helps apple’s service revenues. In some cases it’s another channel for Apple to promote.

Personally I dislike this kind of app. I’d rather use a dedicated app for each service. This is a better experience.

Ironically the only services without dedicated apps for is Apple. You sort of have to find your paid for Apple content these days. Scroll down, it’s there. Or look there’s a library tab somewhere at the far right. Apple Music? It’s somewhere in the music app. News+? Found it. Was hiding at bottom of news app. Middle tab. Your sub gets you a whole tab inside of another app.
 
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I’ve only enjoyed The Morning Show so far. The others have a boring slow start, even after making it to the second episode. Have already cancelled my one week trial, so will watching in bits until it cancels and until there is more interesting content.
 
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The show sucks, any decent critics know that.

I’m watching the others though and they are quite good.

Well, chief critic of Vanity Fair disagrees with you. And frankly the bolded part is only your opinion. Nothing more. Nothing less. So please don’t pretend it to be a fact.
 
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They need at least one big hit to get people interested in this service, like The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel or The Boys of Amazon, or The Stranger Things of Netflix. There is nothing even remotely close to that. The Morning Show has some solid performances, but there is nothing groundbreaking there. For All Mankind ran out of steam on episode 2.
Apple’s original content is mostly bleak now.
 
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