At least one is a bit better.All of these companies are fighting to data mine us and our devices.
Whoever wins - we lose.
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AdMob Chief Responds to Apple's New Developer Terms for Analytics Data Collection
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We've heard the B.S., now here's the facts:
AdMob is owned by a DIRECT COMPETITOR to Apple in the smartphone space. Apple is NOT obliged to help a competitor.
Clearly, Omar Hamoui is a whining ass. Epic fail.
AdMob is owned by a DIRECT COMPETITOR to Apple in the smartphone space. Apple is NOT obliged to help a competitor.
Clearly, Omar Hamoui is a whining ass. Epic fail.
This is why no one who is not in the RDF should even bother coming here anymore. How about if I buy something it's my system, my rules, and I get to decide what software goes on it.
No problem. Buy an iPhone, install Flash (if you can), allow Google ads (if you can), etc.
Not true!
Steve Jobs himself said so – in one of his last interviews – that they changed the license agreement, and that it was personal. Done to deny AdMob access to his prototype devices. Not a change made to protect you as consumer aka you as Apple end-user, but Apple and its stock holders.
Also. It is time that consumers wake up and claim their right(s) to say no when they want no protection, or don't want this so called "benefit" because it also blocks them from installing the software they want/need (on their iProduct). Or they have to jailbreak it first.
Choice is what people want... just like you are free to choose when, where and how much fuel you need for your car. Not dictated by Shell, BP or some car manufacturer. You pay for it so it is your device. Not anyone else.
And someone looking/in need for "protection" or this so called "benefit" should be able to opt-in for it. That to me would be a welcome change... because a smart phone is just another computer.
Wow, bad Apple.
The consumers are awake and they seem ok with it or they just do not care.
Not so sure that people want choice.
And they tell you what kind of fuel to use.
No need for this change, you can already opt-in for "protection" by buying Apple devices.
Bottom line is advertising is the most annoying thing on any device.
I want my iPhone ads free. I get annoyed when I watch youtube and those crappy ads pop up in the window. I dont want them in every app I run on my phone.
I'd gladly pay money for an app rather than get it free if it means I dont have to put up with ads popping up.
They should just get rid of iAds and Google ads all together.
I want my iPhone ads free. I get annoyed when I watch youtube and those crappy ads pop up in the window. I dont want them in every app I run on my phone.
I'd gladly pay money for an app rather than get it free if it means I dont have to put up with ads popping up.
They should just get rid of iAds and Google ads all together.
I could be wrong, I am sure that many will say I am but... I dont think Apple's action here is intended to harm developers. Developers will go with other add firms to get paid. Admob is big, but they are not the only fish in the sea. Apple did not ban all analytics firms (initially yes), only ones that are not "independent" as defined.
So if you are a developer and you develop an app for both iPhone and Andriod, and you use Admob you will collect no data from Apple. if you use iAds, will you be able to collect data from Droid devices? and if you use one that Apple defines as independent, you will get data from Apple's devices, but will you also get them from Driod devices as well?
I think its a mistake to force developers to use only their tool because they have a vested financial interest in making them use it. I don't know what the financial terms are with other ad services, is apple competitive with them. Could a developer make more money with adMob?.
Will this increase the government's investigation into apple's anti-competitive allegations? I cannot see why it wouldn't. Apple doesn't have to be a monopoly to warrant an investigation into anti-competitive behavior.
Reading the newly amended terms, its quick conceivable that apple could lock a lot of out other ad services because how many truly independent ad services are there.
Any time you remove choice from someone its almost always a bad thing.
I mean, you look in the iPhone forum and you see many posts about how the competition android and before that palm was good and how this will keep apple innovating. Well this is not competition when they lock everyone out on their platform.
Well apple is trying to remove competition. We're not talking about CBS advertising its shows on NBC like some posts alluded too but rather allowing developers the freedom to choose which ad service that want to include in the apps.
As apple continues to remove choise and force developers (and consumers) to only use their products how can the government not step in with an investigation.
Will this increase the government's investigation into apple's anti-competitive allegations? I cannot see why it wouldn't. Apple doesn't have to be a monopoly to warrant an investigation into anti-competitive behavior.
Reading the newly amended terms, its quick conceivable that apple could lock a lot of out other ad services because how many truly independent ad services are there.
Any time you remove choice from someone its almost always a bad thing.
I mean, you look in the iPhone forum and you see many posts about how the competition android and before that palm was good and how this will keep apple innovating. Well this is not competition when they lock everyone out on their platform.
Well apple is trying to remove competition. We're not talking about CBS advertising its shows on NBC like some posts alluded too but rather allowing developers the freedom to choose which ad service that want to include in the apps.
As apple continues to remove choise and force developers (and consumers) to only use their products how can the government not step in with an investigation.
+1.
Although I think you should have the choice of paying or seeing ads depending people's preferences.
That's just BS, AdMob! And you know it!!
Users and developers would be just fine — it will take less than a morning for developers to switch to iAd framework. Now see, that will give developers MORE money, because users will ACTUALLY CLICK on ads and generate more revenue and resume whatever they were doing. And users will prefer this experience as opposed to the current alternatives available including yours.
Now you could argue why Apple shouldn't just let users decide on which ad network they want — the answer is the same as with Flash (Apple wants developers to offer better user experience in their CURATED platform) and more (Apple or any other company for that matter will be and should be nervous sending tons of user data right into the belly of their closest competitor).
Your argument makes no sense, although I see that you are trying to rile up developers — except that, developers are a lot smarter than you think they are.
Users and developers would be just fine — it will take less than a morning for developers to switch to iAd framework. Now see, that will give developers MORE money, because users will ACTUALLY CLICK on ads and generate more revenue and resume whatever they were doing. And users will prefer this experience as opposed to the current alternatives available including yours.
Now you could argue why Apple shouldn't just let users decide on which ad network they want — the answer is the same as with Flash (Apple wants developers to offer better user experience in their CURATED platform) and more (Apple or any other company for that matter will be and should be nervous sending tons of user data right into the belly of their closest competitor).
Your argument makes no sense, although I see that you are trying to rile up developers — except that, developers are a lot smarter than you think they are.
With your avatar and your phone choice, the color of your opinion in this particular topic is no surprise
But don't expect everyone to be delusional into thinking that ANY company would let valuable user behavior data and hardware data (if it is unpublished) to go right into their nearest rivals.
This has NOTHING to do with user choice.
The user's choice was made when he/she opted for a freeware/subsidized app instead of a full priced app. Now the user has opted-in for banner space in the app. They don't care who displays the ad or what particular ad is displayed. But if they are hell bent on seeing and clicking on google supplied ads, they can always search for something in Safari — isn't google still the default search option to server ads?
of course not. I've made no bones about my choice in platforms and phonesWith your avatar and your phone choice, the color of your opinion in this particular topic is no surprise
You're taking my posting out of context. The choice is not end users I was referencing but developer's choice. Apple is dictating basically what ad services they can run, how mean how many truly independent ad service providers are there and if they have alliances with other companies or phones, does that stop making them independent so apple can reject them too?
Don't be fooled, apple is setting this up so that the only viable choice for an ad service for the idevices is iAds. They'll make it harder and harder for any other service.
You don't mean this because the cost of that would be staggering. I am not sure you understand what you are asking for...
People complain they hate ads, but ads subsidize probably thousands of dollars a year or more of stuff most of us take for granted.
Darn right. I'm glad apple limited data mining of me by advertising agencies and app writers. I'd like some semblance of privacy left in my life. Just because I choose to have a smartphone doesnt mean that I open my entire life up to admob and google.
Yea, google/android has flash and flash ads by admob. Iphone has html5 and interactive ads from iAd.
The only reason why google pushed adobe so hard for flash support was they want interactive ads using flash for admob since they own that now too. You can bet it sure as heck wasnt for a better user experience. Its about being able to charge more for their mobile ads now they can serve them in flash.
The developer doesn't collect data in either case, the ad vendor does (admob or iAd). The developer simply makes a call for an ad and leaves the rest to admob.
This change will gut admob but doesn't harm developers at all except in the very short run. Admob won't pay the developer as much for ads without analytics since the advertiser won't pay admob as much without all the other information about the user that admob gets (age, income, home address, use of apps, devices, etc). So the developers will switch to another ad company, they don't really care which as long as they pay market rates.
Apple is making it very easy to integrate iAd into apps, so that's probably what most developers will do. Apple is also working hard to make ads costly to advertisers. If they are successful in keeping ad rates high, the developers will make more money with iAd than they have been with admob.
And users will see less ads because the rate of return on an ad is better. So developers don't need to plaster as many ads in their app to make the same amount of money.
Are you kidding me, quite the opposite, if apple is making it easier, better, magical. Why would a developer reduce this because his rate of return is better. Quite the contrary, we'll start seeing more adds in apps, possible (probably?) in paid apps as well.
I mean we've not seen a reduction in ads on the web because return rates are higher. The opposite is true, we're more inundated with ads on web pages more now then ever. I see no reason why this won't happen on iPhone, especially when apple gets a cut.
If you buy one, go ahead, jailbreak it and do whatever you like with it, including putting it in a blender. Port Android (or Symbian) to run on it, and enjoy. Apple won't give a flying hoot, because they'll have got your money. The rest of us will be happy with the products the way they are. If not, we won't be buying them either. But it does seem a bit silly to get so worked up about a product you have no intention of buying... or do you?
Great post and very well thought out.
True enough. But guys like that clown then want Apple to SUPPORT whatever they decide to screw with, and get mad when they don't. In other words, they want it both ways. They want absolute freedom without accountability or responsibility.
Hence all the over-the-top whining in forums like this one.
The rates on web apps have been falling for years and are extremely low. I believe it is precisely because the rates are so low that we see so many. In order to make any kind of return, I need to show many, many ads.
People tolerate ads but only in moderation. If a developer can only make a profit with ten ad views per run, then they have to put in 10. Regardless of whether that means the customer is unhappy. If they can make a profit off 1 view per run, they may still get greedy and put in 5 but then they risk losing customers.
So, yes, I think higher ad rates means less ads not more.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/mobil...pples-new-terms/35715?tag=mantle_skin;content
The feds are now looking into this. With apple in the hot-seat.. Its pretty simple, Apple is trying to force developers to use their ad-platform... that is pretty obvious folks. The language was changed to how far apple thought they could get away with.
The feds are now looking into this. With apple in the hot-seat.. Its pretty simple, Apple is trying to force developers to use their ad-platform... that is pretty obvious folks. The language was changed to how far apple thought they could get away with.
AdMob suck...
I've used AdMob to promote my App among iPhone users, payed $50 in Advanced.. after 2 hrs, the site indicates that the 1000 clicks made and the campaign was over.. I didn't saw and change in sales (at all) after this $50 campaign...
I feel like i was being used.. i have no proof that there was really 1000 clicks.. cause it doesn't make sense.. out of 1000 clicks i'd expect that at least 20-50 people to buy..
I've used AdMob to promote my App among iPhone users, payed $50 in Advanced.. after 2 hrs, the site indicates that the 1000 clicks made and the campaign was over.. I didn't saw and change in sales (at all) after this $50 campaign...
I feel like i was being used.. i have no proof that there was really 1000 clicks.. cause it doesn't make sense.. out of 1000 clicks i'd expect that at least 20-50 people to buy..
Guess this clearly sorts out what side everyone is on.....bottom line apple wants the ad revenue and i don't blame them for wanting to make more money. I don't know if its right or wrong blocking ad mob, i guess the federal regulators to sort out. I say let them compete against each other and the best win.