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AdMob Chief Responds to Apple's New Developer Terms for Analytics Data Collection
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It's exactly what it is. Remember this article from January: http://blog.flurry.com/bid/30019/Apple-Tablet-The-Second-Stage-Media-Booster-Rocket ?
Device data, in bulk, can be harmful to Apple if it's being collected on pre-release hardware accidentally, particularly if it's ending up in the hands of direct competitors.
A bit like the gun nuts who say "guns don't kill people, people kill people".
Actually, guns don't kill people... bullets do! (well, unless you hit them really hard with gun.)
Who cares? I have never touched one of those AdMobile ads on any of my free iPhone apps for the simple fact that they would quit out of the app, something simply just not acceptable when one is busy. So none of the developers have made any money from me. But iAd will likely change all that, so AdMobile's points are all meaningless. Until AdMobile can come up with a better interface, they mean nothing.
what apples policy should be:
1. apps including 3rd party ads state what data they collect
2. apps let users opt out of data collection
this would:
1. protect consumer privacy
2. allow apple to install apps and opt out of data collection on prototypes without being detected by analytics
that is what apple would do if they had motives that were not anti-competitive.
1. apps including 3rd party ads state what data they collect
2. apps let users opt out of data collection
this would:
1. protect consumer privacy
2. allow apple to install apps and opt out of data collection on prototypes without being detected by analytics
that is what apple would do if they had motives that were not anti-competitive.
You're not an idiot, but you might want to look a bit closer at Google's moral compass. They want to own the user base as much as Apple. There is nothing altruistic going on at Google. If you watched the proceedings from Google I/O you see that Google had plans of competing head-to-head with Apple since 2005 and yet they remained on Apple's board rather than removing themselves due to conflict of interests.
You might also consider that negotiations to acquire a company like AdMob are typically done under non-disclosure agreements. M&A is highly tight-lipped. Google used a leak as to Apple's intentions to purchase AdMob to their advantage and swooped in, making an offer that was incidentally higher than Apple's.
Oh, and Google does not mind scouring through your email to determine what to market to you. My brother-in-law emails his wife from Iraq and asks about their dogs and how they are doing and magically starts getting ads for Petco.
The rebellious underdog is only screaming about the unjust acts of the market leader until he finds his way to the top. I say stop the whining. I would never expect Ford to let GM harvest information about a user's driving habits from the Microsoft Sync system installed in somebody's Focus. Why should Apple enable their competitors to harvest that kind of information.
Oh... and comparing Apple to "Big Brother" from 1984 is kinda funny considering Google is the one who seems to be digging into everybody's personal information. Not just your email, but also anything they can grab off public WiFi (heck if the door is unlocked they should just walk right in and take a look around, right?) I feel that Google is much more in that Big Brother position than Apple -- but they have their fanboys declaring that they are the "underdog revolutionary rebels"..... sure sure sure. Meanwhile entire countries are taking legal action against Google for their questionable morals.
I agree with him.
iAd is a program with a handful of high end advertisers spending large money, who ultimately will not want to be advertising in 95% of the apps available on the iProducts.
Admob provides a large range of advertisers that cover the gamut of niches and needs. I has some advertising I do on web sites that the likes of Toyota would never in a million years advertise on... Apple is a bit delusional thinking their high end solution is right for most of their developers. It will be good for a very small select percentage of developers, but then other ad services need to step in.
Apple could have created iAds to be a service to make more money for all their developers, but they choose to go a very narrow and high end route. That is their right, but it also tells me that they don't have the requisite in house experience for online advertising. Google doesn't make its billions of dollars of money on advertising on the backs of Coca Cola and Ford, they make it on the backs of the thousands and hundreds of thousands of smaller advertisers out there.
iAd is a program with a handful of high end advertisers spending large money, who ultimately will not want to be advertising in 95% of the apps available on the iProducts.
Admob provides a large range of advertisers that cover the gamut of niches and needs. I has some advertising I do on web sites that the likes of Toyota would never in a million years advertise on... Apple is a bit delusional thinking their high end solution is right for most of their developers. It will be good for a very small select percentage of developers, but then other ad services need to step in.
Apple could have created iAds to be a service to make more money for all their developers, but they choose to go a very narrow and high end route. That is their right, but it also tells me that they don't have the requisite in house experience for online advertising. Google doesn't make its billions of dollars of money on advertising on the backs of Coca Cola and Ford, they make it on the backs of the thousands and hundreds of thousands of smaller advertisers out there.
I would love for you to provide a link to one of my comments that supports your accusation. Actually, several of my comments, since you claim I'm "always" doing it.
Good luck. I'll await your apology/retraction.
Yes, of course, Google gives Android away for free because they love you.
The naivete around here is astounding.
Wow, the trolls are in abundance here on this topic - they sniffed something anti-whatever and have come out in droves. Wow.
Apple = hardware. It's their system, it's their rules. If you don't like it, don't buy it, and stop your stupid complaining.
If you want to run around with your willies hanging out thinking you are bigger than every other idiot in the world, do so, but do so blindly.
Google is a big company that wants to capture every move you make with any device-whatsoever, monetise it and sell it to the highest bidder so they can psychologically manipulate you to buy something you don't need.
This idiot ranting about Apple's decision to restrict their analysing every move you make online is nothing more than big brother bitching about the corner CCTV being destroyed by the local police.
Apple = hardware. It's their system, it's their rules. If you don't like it, don't buy it, and stop your stupid complaining.
If you want to run around with your willies hanging out thinking you are bigger than every other idiot in the world, do so, but do so blindly.
Google is a big company that wants to capture every move you make with any device-whatsoever, monetise it and sell it to the highest bidder so they can psychologically manipulate you to buy something you don't need.
This idiot ranting about Apple's decision to restrict their analysing every move you make online is nothing more than big brother bitching about the corner CCTV being destroyed by the local police.
CEO Omar Hamoui = FEAR, FEAR, FEAR
CEO Omar Hamoui wants to make developers afraid - because Apple puts a crimp in his (AdMob's) and Google's plans to suck $ from everybody.
SO, has he made you afraid???
If you try to make people afraid for your benefit or your purposes, you are (by definition) a Terrorist. Look it up!!!
CEO Omar Hamoui wants to make developers afraid - because Apple puts a crimp in his (AdMob's) and Google's plans to suck $ from everybody.
SO, has he made you afraid???
If you try to make people afraid for your benefit or your purposes, you are (by definition) a Terrorist. Look it up!!!
I take it you don't have Carbon Copy Cloner, then. Their banner ads that show up while you are cloning your system have a box the same size as a standard web-based ad. If you click on it, your default browser opens to the same site it would have if you clicked on the ad in the browser. They seem to have gotten it just about right, in the perfect type of application (once you start a cloning operation, you don't have to interact with their app at all until it is done).
Tools that they don't provide for Safari on the Mac, or for any iDevice.
What Apple is doing will end up poorly for both developers and users who enjoy ad sponsored apps.
Sure he has a self-interest here, but it is one that happens to coincide with the typical iProduct user, and most iProduct developers.
I would love for you to provide a link to one of my comments that supports your accusation. Actually, several of my comments, since you claim I'm "always" doing it.
Good luck. I'll await your apology/retraction.
Yes, of course, Google gives Android away for free because they love you.
The naivete around here is astounding.
Actually ... googles gives android away for free because it uses the open source linux kernel ... meaning they have to
There is language already in there about what type of data the companies in question can collect. This is not about giving Google device secrets - device secrets are strictly prohibited from being collected by anyone regardless of who you are in very plain language. Apple decides what type of information you are allowed to be privy to, and that information will only include items relevant to advertising analytics.
The language referenced above prevents google from being able to do anything with the data besides use it to deliver more targed ads because all other info is not available to 3rd parties. Instead of leaving it at this, apple then goes on to expressly prohibit companies in Google's shoes or (and this is the ridiculous part) companies that have dealings with any other platform than apple from getting at even this censored data.
This is not competition. Competition is about who has the better product, not about who can you lock out of your product. Apple is diving head first into the sort of cross interest, cross market collusion that Microsoft was berated for engaging in. Leveraging their platform (iPhones) to block competing companies in a completely different market (advertising) from being successful. If the only thing that's protecting them from a full blown anti-trust investigation is their market share, they had better hope their products never take off any more than they have. If that's their only safeguard, success will kill them.
The language referenced above prevents google from being able to do anything with the data besides use it to deliver more targed ads because all other info is not available to 3rd parties. Instead of leaving it at this, apple then goes on to expressly prohibit companies in Google's shoes or (and this is the ridiculous part) companies that have dealings with any other platform than apple from getting at even this censored data.
This is not competition. Competition is about who has the better product, not about who can you lock out of your product. Apple is diving head first into the sort of cross interest, cross market collusion that Microsoft was berated for engaging in. Leveraging their platform (iPhones) to block competing companies in a completely different market (advertising) from being successful. If the only thing that's protecting them from a full blown anti-trust investigation is their market share, they had better hope their products never take off any more than they have. If that's their only safeguard, success will kill them.
absolutely rubbish!
Azurael,
Pardon me my friend, but honestly the aresehole I can remotely deem as such is the whiners and the whiner-supporters. I am not sure you are one of these, but if the following shoe fits, then maybe.
The reality is that competition is a direct by product of a capitalistic playing field. To succeed in this environment, you have to produce top notch products and you have to innovate. Patents developed are protected vigorously. Violations of any patents you create are essentially acts of theft.
Besides 2 Million ipads in less than two months can hardly be characterized as loss of innovation. How many devices have you or your company sold lately???....exactly.
As for not buying products, then don't. Consumerism is a choice and you choose not to buy, then best of luck to you just don't whine about it here as in the end no one is forcing you to buy apple products or to utilize their services. The same goes for all the other competition out there. If they don't like the rules, make your own game and set your own rules. Last I checked, if its my house, its my rules...and Apple knows this. If I let a stranger in my house and let him/her do as they wished freely, and they choose to wreck havoc in my home, it is my fault for not laying down the law and regulations. Apple is right to do what they are doing. And there again if you don't like it, find another playing field to cry.
Azurael,
Pardon me my friend, but honestly the aresehole I can remotely deem as such is the whiners and the whiner-supporters. I am not sure you are one of these, but if the following shoe fits, then maybe.
The reality is that competition is a direct by product of a capitalistic playing field. To succeed in this environment, you have to produce top notch products and you have to innovate. Patents developed are protected vigorously. Violations of any patents you create are essentially acts of theft.
Besides 2 Million ipads in less than two months can hardly be characterized as loss of innovation. How many devices have you or your company sold lately???....exactly.
As for not buying products, then don't. Consumerism is a choice and you choose not to buy, then best of luck to you just don't whine about it here as in the end no one is forcing you to buy apple products or to utilize their services. The same goes for all the other competition out there. If they don't like the rules, make your own game and set your own rules. Last I checked, if its my house, its my rules...and Apple knows this. If I let a stranger in my house and let him/her do as they wished freely, and they choose to wreck havoc in my home, it is my fault for not laying down the law and regulations. Apple is right to do what they are doing. And there again if you don't like it, find another playing field to cry.
Dear Apple.
In the last few years, you have proven yourself to be a right bunch of arsewipes.
Instead of welcoming competition, and the innovation it brings, you have tried to make everything as awkward as possible for any and all competitors when they have made no such moves against you. You harass anybody who has even remotely similar technology to yours, even if (for the most part) they had it first, like HTC. Rather than allowing people to customise their hardware, you tell them exactly how they should be set up, exactly what software they can and cannot run, and your CEO's outbursts badmouthing other Silicon Valley companies get more and more ridiculous each day. All signs of the real, revolutionary innovation you are capable of have dried up since the original iPhone was released in 2007. More than anything else, I hate the fact that you believe that because you say something, it is gospel.
You may make the best (and certainly amongst the most durable) hardware, and some of the best software on the market. I have been using Apple products since it became unfeasible to keep my Amiga running in the early 90s. I loved my Performa 630, my PowerMac 5400, my PowerBook 1400, my Wallstreet, my iceBook, my iceBook G4, my PowerBook G4 12" (Best machine you ever made?!), my second PowerBook G4 12", my 15" AlBook, my Mac Mini and I still love my MacBook. I love Mac OS. I loved all my iPods I even love iOS once it's jailbroken and I can do what _I_ want with it. However, unless your attitude towards business, fair competition and your customers changes dramatically, I'll be boycotting your products along with Sony's for the foreseeable future.
Peace. (by the way, if I were Google now, I would be very rapidly revoking Apple's search licensing. Yes, it would cut one of their revenue streams, but two can play at this game, and without Google, Apple would definitely be in the mire. I don't think they appreciate that, but have you tried using Bing?!)
Agreed AdMod = Terrorist / fear mongers
I agree with you here. Look at what is going on, AdMod (owned by google) is losing market share to iAd. Why? Because they don't make their clients enough money. Instead of improving their strategy they cry and attempt to tell everyone (i.e. developers) that they will lose money in an attempt to scare them to jump from the apple ship. The problem is that the reality is that there is more $$ to be gained by going with apple via direct sales in the app store and in the direct advertisement to users with iAd.
Advice to AdMod = stop whining/crying and make a better product (i.e. innovate). Else, you will be obsolete soon.
I agree with you here. Look at what is going on, AdMod (owned by google) is losing market share to iAd. Why? Because they don't make their clients enough money. Instead of improving their strategy they cry and attempt to tell everyone (i.e. developers) that they will lose money in an attempt to scare them to jump from the apple ship. The problem is that the reality is that there is more $$ to be gained by going with apple via direct sales in the app store and in the direct advertisement to users with iAd.
Advice to AdMod = stop whining/crying and make a better product (i.e. innovate). Else, you will be obsolete soon.
I'd love to see Microsoft play the game like Apple does then. Stop developing Office for Mac, block out Windows in boot camp, deny app developers access to Live Messenger APIs (I know some idiot will say Messenger sucks; realize it is the IM of choice in most of Europe and Canada). Mac would be dead without Office alone.
I'm starting to firmly believe that if Apple were to ever get to where Microsoft is now, the computing industry would be in a very, very bad place. I don't want Apple to fail as a company but I do hope they stay as a very small percentage of PCs.
Ok, how about the comments about Android and Google's intention for providing Android as being solely as a means of obtaining advertising revenue...
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=10066269&#post10066269
Because, you know, it's impossible for Google to actually want to do something that isn't solely driven by monetary purposes. Everything has monetary purposes, but you could purchase an Android device, install only apps that have no connection to ads, and never surf the web, and essentially no analytics data would be transmitted back. Clearly though, something must be occurring behind the scenes, because the "big, bad Google" is ONLY in it for advertising revenue.
Or how about always assuming that Apple is at the forefront, such as just assuming that Apple was already working on something before Android was even around:
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=9909034&#post9909034
In all honesty, I'll let pretty much everyone else just do a search of your posting history. Pretty much every page has Google-bashing (to go along with all of the bashing of pretty much every company Apple is competition with in some form or another).
In fact, there were so many posts that could be cited showing your blatently apparent bias and dislike of pretty much everything non-Apple, it'd probably take months to go through them all. But that's ok, because people can check your posting history here: https://forums.macrumors.com/search/?searchid=20600183
Anyway, the moral of the story is, pretty much everything you say, is so heavily biased towards Apple, there's basically no reason to take anything you say seriously.
But hey, it's fairly ironic, given that one of the posts above mentions how you've been "critical of Apple" in plenty of posts, and yet, I couldn't easily find one (probably because I'm guessing "critical of Apple" actually translates into "I simply think their product is good and not AMAZING"). But feel free to prove me wrong.Oh, and no apology is forthcoming now, or at any point in the future.
Edit - Oh, and I'm still waiting for a list of the competition Google has actually harmed in some way.
Really?
Yea I'm an apple fan and user since 98, and a stock holder. But really? Eliminating Apple from Google's search is your idea? Why? does Apple compete with Google in the search area? Would google not stub its own toe in the process from collecting marketable data from search users? What does apple corporately gain from google's search? Apple is not blocking all analytics firms, just those that are in direct competition with Apple as mobile device makers and mobile OS developers. If you think that is bad business on Apple's part, you should think again.
Dear Apple.
In the last few years, you have proven yourself to be a right bunch of arsewipes.
Instead of welcoming competition, and the innovation it brings, you have tried to make everything as awkward as possible for any and all competitors when they have made no such moves against you. You harass anybody who has even remotely similar technology to yours, even if (for the most part) they had it first, like HTC. Rather than allowing people to customise their hardware, you tell them exactly how they should be set up, exactly what software they can and cannot run, and your CEO's outbursts badmouthing other Silicon Valley companies get more and more ridiculous each day. All signs of the real, revolutionary innovation you are capable of have dried up since the original iPhone was released in 2007. More than anything else, I hate the fact that you believe that because you say something, it is gospel.
You may make the best (and certainly amongst the most durable) hardware, and some of the best software on the market. I have been using Apple products since it became unfeasible to keep my Amiga running in the early 90s. I loved my Performa 630, my PowerMac 5400, my PowerBook 1400, my Wallstreet, my iceBook, my iceBook G4, my PowerBook G4 12" (Best machine you ever made?!), my second PowerBook G4 12", my 15" AlBook, my Mac Mini and I still love my MacBook. I love Mac OS. I loved all my iPods I even love iOS once it's jailbroken and I can do what _I_ want with it. However, unless your attitude towards business, fair competition and your customers changes dramatically, I'll be boycotting your products along with Sony's for the foreseeable future.
Peace. (by the way, if I were Google now, I would be very rapidly revoking Apple's search licensing. Yes, it would cut one of their revenue streams, but two can play at this game, and without Google, Apple would definitely be in the mire. I don't think they appreciate that, but have you tried using Bing?!)
Yea I'm an apple fan and user since 98, and a stock holder. But really? Eliminating Apple from Google's search is your idea? Why? does Apple compete with Google in the search area? Would google not stub its own toe in the process from collecting marketable data from search users? What does apple corporately gain from google's search? Apple is not blocking all analytics firms, just those that are in direct competition with Apple as mobile device makers and mobile OS developers. If you think that is bad business on Apple's part, you should think again.
Sorry, not one of the comments I made that you linked to supports your accusation: "Notice how when it's Apple making changes to try and lock people in, you're always amongst those praising it."
I never praise Apple for trying to lock people into anything. You fail.
Do I criticize their competitors? Of course. But that's not what you accused me of.
Oh, and no apology is forthcoming now, or at any point in the future.
I don't really expect one from someone who intentionally lies about another forum member's position.
So what else is it driven buy if not money?
And congrats on the real-life situation where somebody will buy a smartphone and never surf the web.
I think he's making a good point. Feel free to destroy it in a coherent manner, otherwise leave it alone.
I think everyone is starting to use this word way too freely. Bias involves error, prejudice, unreasoned judgment. Instead of destroying his points you just claim bias without basing your own claim. Would that be bias?
10 seconds to find this:
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=10086206&#post10086206
Google almost harmed competition with AdMob. Hopefully there was iAd.
