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Adobe Acknowledges That Apple's Flash Prohibition Could Harm Business
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The only reason Flash seems like a resource hog is because we're running it on a Mac. My octo-core Mac Pro with 18 gigs of RAM can't handle even the simplest flash games......... Meanwhile my 5 year old HP laptop, running Windows XP does just fine.
This tells me that it's Apple that is lazy and unwilling to fix problems on their end which cause Flash to crash systems.
As a user I can care less if Flash isn't real code. I just want the web to work properly on my computer and other devices. As it now stands I can't access certain websites because Apple won't allow it, even though they say I have the entire web in my pocket
A very simple explanation to this. PC is still the undisputed leader in computer market with over 90% share. Of course Adobe would channel most of their resources in fixing their flash plug-in in Windows while we the Mac user have to suffer in silent in waiting Adobe to get their OSX Flash plug-in fix. Apple would have admit if it was their problem causing Safari to crash and promptly fix it with updates.
As a Flash developer (and someone who has been working on a Flash iPhone app), let me try to fix a few misconceptions.
1) Flash, among with other technologies, was developed initially by Macromedia. Adobe is trying as hard as they can to optimize it; yes, it's taken much longer than it should, but try to take that into consideration.
2) Flash is like the Force -- it depends on if it's fallen into the wrong hands. Unfortunately, because there is the possibility of making Flash apps with really dumbed-down and inefficient code, many (most) people take the quick and easy route and do that. This creates bloatware and crashes in a lot of applications.
3) There is a lot of work done behind the scenes on web sites using Flash. Of course, it's hidden to the front-end so it never really gets any credit or notice.
4) Again, Flash often gets misused. I agree that Flash apps usually suck when they could easily be replaced by HTML 5 or JavaScript. I work with those too, and try to use them whenever I can. Of course, people who don't know when to use Flash are often the same people who don't really know how to code very well.
5) When using vector graphics, well-programmed AS3, and the latest Flash Player, Flash runs great on my machine and every other one I've tested on.
6) Adobe has several IDEs and ways to use Flash. Apple has Xcode. The two companies have very different approaches to how they allow software to be written and designed. This means that most Apple-sanctioned apps are really good. Adobe's Flash has a ton of garbage apps, but some really good gems. There's a lot more freedom with Flash, but it certainly has a price (a horrible stigma).
*phew* that was a lot of words.
1) Flash, among with other technologies, was developed initially by Macromedia. Adobe is trying as hard as they can to optimize it; yes, it's taken much longer than it should, but try to take that into consideration.
2) Flash is like the Force -- it depends on if it's fallen into the wrong hands. Unfortunately, because there is the possibility of making Flash apps with really dumbed-down and inefficient code, many (most) people take the quick and easy route and do that. This creates bloatware and crashes in a lot of applications.
3) There is a lot of work done behind the scenes on web sites using Flash. Of course, it's hidden to the front-end so it never really gets any credit or notice.
4) Again, Flash often gets misused. I agree that Flash apps usually suck when they could easily be replaced by HTML 5 or JavaScript. I work with those too, and try to use them whenever I can. Of course, people who don't know when to use Flash are often the same people who don't really know how to code very well.
5) When using vector graphics, well-programmed AS3, and the latest Flash Player, Flash runs great on my machine and every other one I've tested on.
6) Adobe has several IDEs and ways to use Flash. Apple has Xcode. The two companies have very different approaches to how they allow software to be written and designed. This means that most Apple-sanctioned apps are really good. Adobe's Flash has a ton of garbage apps, but some really good gems. There's a lot more freedom with Flash, but it certainly has a price (a horrible stigma).
*phew* that was a lot of words.
Much of what they acquired from Macromedia is becoming worthless. Flash was the big acquisition and it is likely dying. Fireworks is really irrelevant with Photoshop being the main web graphic software. Even Dreamweaver is losing ground. It's big and bloated and now especially on the Mac side there are many good alternative such as Coda and Espresso.
I'm gonna laugh my @ss off if Adobe goes down for this and Apple ends up consuming Adobe...
Why? To see Adobe employees crying because they got sacked? What's the fun in that?
I really don't understand the motives of some of the posters here, I'm sorry I'm a dim-wit.
Clearly Apple's intent is to stop the mass generation of 'knock-off' applications. Even a translator that converts into c/c++/obj-c is against the rules because it is against Apple intent.
Apple has learned something about upgrading operating systems since, say 1976, and how developers going outside the intent causes future OS upgrades difficulty. I remember some upgrades that specifically patch 68K TRAPs just so they would fix mistakes in Microsoft Word/Excel at the time.
It's in every iPhone/iPad/iTouch owners best interest to have consistent application implementation so that future OS enhancements come quicker with fewer Application hiccups along the way.
Apple has learned something about upgrading operating systems since, say 1976, and how developers going outside the intent causes future OS upgrades difficulty. I remember some upgrades that specifically patch 68K TRAPs just so they would fix mistakes in Microsoft Word/Excel at the time.
It's in every iPhone/iPad/iTouch owners best interest to have consistent application implementation so that future OS enhancements come quicker with fewer Application hiccups along the way.
This is slightly off topic (in a round about way), but when I saw your statement,
I just got a chuckle out of this. This past week I was copying some word, excel, and MS OneNote files from Win 7 to a Win XP machine. I was not even trying to open the files. just copying from a jump drive to store on another machine while I was working out some diskfull and backup issues on win 7. Every file gave me authentication or unsupport file format errors. I pulled out my vista laptop and the files copied fine.... MS has posted they will not fully support backwards compatibility anymore thus slimming down the OS by not creating the binaries. This is MS's way of forcing people to update as they are afraid WIN 7 won't be adopted fully because of it's somewhat Vista like appearance and functionality. Even MS said that in XP mode on Win 7, that still not everything XP related will run.
Even my mac will make me authenticate on some of these files when I try to open them with office for the mac.
So, I was going to upgrade my vista hope premium laptop to Win 7 Professional. turns out, unless I want to spend the extra money and buy the full version and do a fresh install, I would have to upgrade to Win 7 Home Premium and then upgrade to Win 7 professional (costing an additional $80).
So I said forget it. since I cannot use XP mode for XP products (some stuff fails as it is written in VB 6), and upgrading to WIN 7 on my home computers are going to cost to much. I deleted my win xp VM and Parallels from my macbook. Come to find out, even with them not started, they were sucking resources.
My 2008 macbook is so much faster now and feels brand new.
I do not need Windows or Flash that badly.
We will shortly see the end of Adobe and MS.
Amen. I can't stand Dreamweaver (I use Coda). And if you've used Photoshop I can't even imagine going to Fireworks... it feels like they got it tossed into a package deal and thought, "We paid for this so we may as well sell it!"
Theoretical question here if you will.
What would happen to the web as a whole if Apple did a hostile takeover of Adobe and discontinued Flash ?
What would happen to the web as a whole if Apple did a hostile takeover of Adobe and discontinued Flash ?
Why? Mac fans are using Macintosh and Apple software aren't they? Why would they care about a software company making products that they don't use? Yes M$ makes products that work with Apple hardware, however I doubt any of the true Apple Zealots (which I am not) actually use them.
Honestly I could care less what Microsoft does with their Devoloper network.
Comments like this are so silly when you consider Adobe's own SEC filing means they believe Apple is selling well enough to constitute a significant material threat to their business.
Yea, if Microsoft tried this crap the Mac fanboys would go ballistic.
I really believe this is what it is all about:
http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/why_apple_changed_section_331
I would say with 98% of Internet acceptance (devices capable of displaying Flash content) as of last year, IT IS AN ACCEPTED STANDARD, whether SIR Stevie likes it or not.
The funny thing is I can boot my Mac up with Windows and use 70% to 100% LESS CPU to run Flash? Tell me that isn't SICK?
We are all better off buying Macs for the hardware than the software anymore. That is an extremely sad truth. With Windows 7 I can do so much better with anything requiring graphics like watching HD videos, playing games, or even viewing Flash based sites, movies, and etc... and in Windows, it's all FREE. I don't have to pay Apple to watch last night's episode of Lost... I can watch it free on Hulu.com and my CPU isn't running at 140% as in OS X, it's running at 30% in Windows 7 on the exact same sites and videos with Flash. Apple is quickly becoming anti-competitive, and Jobs is a raving lunatic. If the Apple board has any decency it will stop him from his madness attacks on other companies whether it be Google allowing Nexus One to use multitouch in the US or calling Adobe's Flash trash when the real problem is Jobs not Adobe.
I'm gonna laugh my @ss off if Adobe goes down for this and Apple ends up consuming Adobe...
Yeah, people not being able to feed their families is funny!! Hahaha...bwhahahaha
If I were Adobe Id just stop selling products or developing flash for Macs, big move but it would make a point. Apple obviously don't want Adobe products so why bother making them? We use macs for cs4 but if it didn't support them anymore we would just switch platforms (eventually)!
No one seemed to hate flash that much till jobs did either! So why start now. YouTube runs poorly ony iPhone freezing halfway through videos etc so it can't be that much better than flash yet can it?
No one seemed to hate flash that much till jobs did either! So why start now. YouTube runs poorly ony iPhone freezing halfway through videos etc so it can't be that much better than flash yet can it?
no its not. Specially when it brings my mac down on its knees just to watch an hd youtube video. Not to mention the bloody crashes i get here and there trying to load the flash content.
But anyway,,, It's time to get rid of Flash. I think Apple is doing well on that.
Also i cannot understand why people dont want to see more features on their products. Apple got some strong cards and can definately succeed bringing the evolution in web by pushing html5 development.
Bad days for Adobe
Jesus, do all SEC filings read like suicide notes??
I couldn't read it all - I'd probably have to take medication if I did. But Adobe are clearly aware of the scope of their problems - it's not just Apple; it's Microsoft and Sun (now Oracle) and everyone else making technology at breakneck pace, to the point where values change overnight and nothing is predictable (good morning Adobe, nice of you to join us - you just noticed?). The big issue is, tech is moving faster than Adobe can keep up, probably because they've made all this effort after the purchase of Macromedia to group all their applications together - so by proxy (and irony) they're landlocked to snails-pace progress, and haven't allowed themselves time to step back and look objectively at themselves, or their products.
Adobe strikes me as a company that could do with losing a little weight.
Jesus, do all SEC filings read like suicide notes??
I couldn't read it all - I'd probably have to take medication if I did. But Adobe are clearly aware of the scope of their problems - it's not just Apple; it's Microsoft and Sun (now Oracle) and everyone else making technology at breakneck pace, to the point where values change overnight and nothing is predictable (good morning Adobe, nice of you to join us - you just noticed?). The big issue is, tech is moving faster than Adobe can keep up, probably because they've made all this effort after the purchase of Macromedia to group all their applications together - so by proxy (and irony) they're landlocked to snails-pace progress, and haven't allowed themselves time to step back and look objectively at themselves, or their products.
Adobe strikes me as a company that could do with losing a little weight.
I don't think thats true. I Don't see the need to really use any windows products. I use iwork which is better than that overbloated MS office suite. So tell me what products does MS develop that so deeply keeps the threads of apple together ?
So you cannot refute that Flash is a proprietary, unstandardized, security hole, POS. Not part of the Internet any more than any other browser plugin.
That is NONSENSE! You can run Flash better on Windows on your same Mac computer because Apple will not let Adobe have API access to use the same tools that html5 uses. You are poorly informed to believe this is Adobe's fault. Adobe has begged publicly to work with Apple, but Jobs cannot stand them so it doesn't matter what's best for the end user.