Adobe Adds New Features to Creative Cloud Apps

[nebojsak]

It may be an awful deal for you but some like to keep up to date on the latest version, it now costs less with the subscription than it did buying the upgrades every year. If you don't upgrade as frequently it is different but choice is good.

Yes, but in the past you could buy a perpetual license, and there was one month trial for new versions, so you could try it for yourself and choose whether to upgrade or not. Now you have a 7-day trial, and (more important) you regularly update your CC software, and suddenly you got -for instance- new version of AI, with metric units completely broken (you type number 50 and instead you get 50.0001 or 50.0016). And now imagine folks whose workflow requires perfect precision in units, and that their work is basically screwed up until Adobe decides to fix it in a month or two.

 

[edgonzalez32]

Facts are facts, you can check their own forum; their products are full of bugs. Illustrator is the best example, repetitive crashes, and it consumes a lot of ram, it’s bloated, the performance is poor, a bug fixed create new ones, and a big etc.

It’s nice you get payed for using bloated software, but it doesn’t change anything when is about software quality.

Gotcha so every single time Adobe comes up we should just **** all over them constantly. Sounds good 👌
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Took to page 2 of comments to find a real voice of reason. Just being able to select hair like that is a total game changer. Although this may all but eliminate a lot of really bad photoshop jobs, which are always fun to look at.

Yea man. Hair is what really trips me up. I'm also a designer first, photographer second so I don't spend TOO much time editing photos. So it's nice to have something to help me speed up some of my workflow.

 

[tomi03]

Gotcha so every single time Adobe comes up we should just **** all over them constantly. Sounds good 👌

Better than nothing.

 

[iMi]

I don't understand this.. years ago Photoshop Extended used to cost $1000, thats a huge up front investment for someone starting out. Now you can get the same software for $20 per month, that would take over FOUR YEARS to hit the same cost. But you also get all the upgrades included, whereas before you would have to pay.

I would agree with you, except the pace of software development has slowed. The rationale behind the subscription model seems to be that you can bundle all the product you need, use it on multiple machines/cross platform and provide cloud back up. I get that, but individual subscriptions are a bad value, especially if you don't need all the extras. Plus, not everyone wants the latest features.

You can also no longer look at Adobe products in a silo, as they now have a lot more competition.

Take Affinity, for example, you still get updates and you get a great software for a one-time fee of $49 each. That's Photos, Designer and Publisher for $150. Single purchase. I would need Photoshop ($20/month), InDesign ($20/month) and Illustrator ($20/month) at which point you'd go for the all-in option and get software you may/may not need for $55 a month. You'll break even in three months. Of course, everyone's needs are different. I'm sure corporations get volume licensing and it makes more sense for them, so maybe it all depends on what you need and the size of your operation.

Above all, I'm getting "subscription fatigue." I literally cannot tell you what I'm subscribed to anymore.

 

[edgonzalez32]

Better than nothing.

Yea totally, really opens up a discussion for the features that some of us are actually using. I completely agree with this idiotic sentiment consider that Adobe is obsessively reading these forums. Just keep screaming into the void, it's really helping a ton.

 

[iMi]

It may be an awful deal for you but some like to keep up to date on the latest version, it now costs less with the subscription than it did buying the upgrades every year. If you don't upgrade as frequently it is different but choice is good.

I'm all for choice, except we don't really have one anymore. You can't buy any of the apps as standalone applications. I'd love to just buy Lightroom. I can't. I have to either subscribe to it or get it as part of a bundle. Having both options would be great.

 

[tomi03]

Yea totally, really opens up a discussion for the features that some of us are actually using. I completely agree with this idiotic sentiment consider that Adobe is obsessively reading these forums. Just keep screaming into the void, it's really helping a ton.

I did it too on the official forums with other users. Thanks for your advice.

 

[edgonzalez32]

I did it too on the official forums with other users. Thanks for your advice.

Good for you man. Keep that **** over there.

 

[vinegarshots]

Yea totally, really opens up a discussion for the features that some of us are actually using. I completely agree with this idiotic sentiment consider that Adobe is obsessively reading these forums. Just keep screaming into the void, it's really helping a ton.

Good for you man. Keep that **** over there.

Are you an Adobe employee or something? There is plenty of very relevant and important discussion to be had when Adobe uses their resources to add gimmicky, incremental updates rather than focusing on fixing much bigger problems with their software as a whole. If it takes thousands of comments spread through Internet forums with unhappy customers to get them to pay attention, or for some developer to decide to start working on competing software options, then so be it. But for now, they have little reason to change anything. Ironically, this is the same lack of foresight that let Adobe steal so much marketshare from QuarkXpress. And now Adobe is doing the same thing...

 

[Pixelsage]

Adobe still has a place in professional creator tools, but it's slowly dying out. It used to be the tool of choice a decade ago, but plenty of my fellow design colleagues rarely touch Adobe products anymore. They're either too buggy, or too complex, or too late to the game. We can't even get some shapes from AI properly imported into AE… are these two apps really made by the same company?

Loved Adobe and have used it for decades, but unless they step up their game, the industry standard will slowly move away to better tools.
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Can you share with us what you use now?

Thanks

Hope you don't mind me jumping in on this one. Adobe's still relevant because they provide unmatched, powerful tools that can do things others can't. However, as a digital product designer, their utility has basically stopped growing for me a decade ago. The usefulness of Adobe apps has decreased, not increased, for me over the years.

That said, one of the main tools I use now is Figma. It doesn't fully replace what I used to do in Photoshop and Illustrator, but it's the app I'm in 95% of the time. Adobe has the equivalent app "XD," but it pales in comparison.

 

[uneeko1ne]

Was this released today???

 

[dysamoria]

Subscription service, so, I don’t care.

I really hope it doesn’t take much longer for Affinity Photo to catch up. There are a few features I’m still lacking and they’re my go-to features (like arbitrary rotation based on a ruler/straight-edge tool).

 

[falainber]

Yes, I did. And none of them make up for the fact that Photoshop CC is a bloated memory hog on my Mac.

You could try a real computer instead of a Mac if memory is an issue. Maybe these features are targeted towards PC users?
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Subscription service, so, I don’t care.

I really hope it doesn’t take much longer for Affinity Photo to catch up. There are a few features I’m still lacking and they’re my go-to features (like arbitrary rotation based on a ruler/straight-edge tool).

Serif have been trying to catch up with Adobe since 1987. So, it's been 33 years already. You may have to wait another hundred years (if you are lucky).

 

[japanime]

You could try a real computer instead of a Mac if memory is an issue.

Ah, the old "a Macintosh is not a real computer" argument. You winz the Internetz with that zinger.

 

[falainber]

Ah, the old "a Macintosh is not a real computer" argument. You winz the Internetz with that zinger.

Just check the price of DRAM modules. It costs very little.

 

[tomi03]

You could try a real computer instead of a Mac if memory is an issue. Maybe these features are targeted towards PC users?

There’s tons of issues with ram (even with 64gb ram), and performance when people use illustrator, even on the latest updates.

Re: Adobe Illustrator cc 2019 "not enough memory (RAM)" issues running on Mac Pro

Mary MacharéI am having the same issues with Adobe Illustrator 23.0.1. First I get the message that there is not enough memory to render the object. Then it crashes. Please get in touch with us on sharewithai@adobe.com . We would like one of our engineers to have a look at your machine and...

community.adobe.com

 

[Release]

Great. More Adobe bashing... most likely coming from non-professional users complaining about the cost of professional software. If you make a living using their tools, the subscription cost isn't an issue, its a cost of doing business. If not, there are plenty of other tools that can do similar things at a much more friendly price. Just use the right tools for the right job.

 

[yurc]

I can report this update quite positive so far after I installed on my guinea pig MacBook Pro. Just Photoshop though.

Previously PS2020 builds was almost unusable, basic function like toggling on off layer visibility causing beach ball…eye dropper picked always picked gray color, even simple nudging object make PS not responding! Opening small PSD files takes forever, basically stability issues, Wacom pressure not playing nice, etc. I always using stable 2019 as last resort. Affecting both Windows and Mac in my case.

Edit :
So far basic functionality are back to stable at least for PS in OSX. Would try to install on my main Windows workstation tomorrow if I not seeing annoyances today.

 

[nebojsak]

Just use the right tools for the right job.

What right tool one should be using in case when Illustrator CC update screws up units, so you don't have precise ones anymore, and your workflow is heavily dependent on that? And this bug is confirmed by Adobe. And it takes few months until the next update fixes it. And you still pay the subscription no matter what's happening. And your job is at risk because of suddenly buggy software you regularly pay for.

I'm all ears.

 

[yurc]

What right tool one should be using in case when Illustrator CC update screws up units, so you don't have precise ones anymore, and your workflow is heavily dependent on that? And this bug is confirmed by Adobe. And it takes few months until the next update fixes it. And you still pay the subscription no matter what's happening. And your job is at risk because of suddenly buggy software you regularly pay for.

I'm all ears.

Can you elaborate what AI annoyances behave? I haven’t touch all CC updates because I quite skeptical with recent Adobe buggy updates. That’s why I’m even have dedicated guinea pig computer for testing before going into main production computer.

 

[richpjr]

Subscription service, so, I don’t care.

I really hope it doesn’t take much longer for Affinity Photo to catch up. There are a few features I’m still lacking and they’re my go-to features (like arbitrary rotation based on a ruler/straight-edge tool).

I own Affinity Photo for iOS and my PC along with my Lightroom subscription. If they ever come out with a DAM that works with Affinity Photo on my PC and iPad and can use cloud storage I'd be all over it and consider moving on from Adobe.

 

[nebojsak]

Can you elaborate what AI annoyances behave? I haven’t touch all CC updates because I quite skeptical with recent Adobe buggy updates. That’s why I’m even have dedicated guinea pig computer for testing before going into main production computer.

Apart from that mentioned above, I have personally experienced significant performance decrease with the 2020. My main job is package design for flexo printing, mostly for large paper bags for pet food or stuff like that. So it's all vectors with very few images, and plenty of outlined text. With 2020 update, many times I've found myself stuck with spinning beach ball when trying to copy and paste artwork to a new file. And I tried and tried with no luck, lost an hour of job, and finally had to boot into Windows and finish the job in seconds. We're talking year 2020, powerful machine and vectors mostly.

Just check Illustrator Uservoice page, and its hot threads both in feature requests and bugs section.

 

[yurc]

Apart from that mentioned above, I have personally experienced significant performance decrease with the 2020. My main job is package design for flexo printing, mostly for large paper bags for pet food or stuff like that. So it's all vectors with very few images, and plenty of outlined text. With 2020 update, many times I've found myself stuck with spinning beach ball when trying to copy and paste artwork to a new file. And I tried and tried with no luck, lost an hour of job, and finally had to boot into Windows and finish the job in seconds. We're talking year 2020, powerful machine and vectors mostly.

Just check Illustrator Uservoice page, and its hot threads both in feature requests and bugs section.

I see. Looks AI still doesn’t scale well with today modern multicores CPUs.The hardware looks underutilized. I heard most of Adobe apps are ancient based code and won’t play well with current architecture. Adobe was slacking off doesn’t want to bother with major re-write (taking times and cost etc). Heck, even CorelDraw who absent very long time on MacOS do rewrite for their products, not simply slapping Windows interface. They feel more native MacOS app looks.

In my first hand case, when AI2020 arrive, I was eagerly updates without checking internet first and I was wrong. Gradient annotator tool was missing, and that’s why most tools I used wtf. Since that I defer updates because it ruins my workflow.

I already had Affinity under my belt too, but yeah, industry standard still favor Adobe and most of client do the same…I have no choice.

 

[tomi03]

Great. More Adobe bashing... most likely coming from non-professional users complaining about the cost of professional software. If you make a living using their tools, the subscription cost isn't an issue, its a cost of doing business. If not, there are plenty of other tools that can do similar things at a much more friendly price. Just use the right tools for the right job.

Too bad the professional tools are full of bloated software and performance issues.

 

[ionutc]

The other day I edited like 150 16mpx shots in Lightroom and it needed almost 8GB of RAM?! Standard previevs and few adjustments, nothing fancy. I've given up on fighting against subscription services. I bought Lightroom standalone a few years back and it doesn't work in Catalina - the installer is 32 bit. The same with Parallels, Windows VMs don't work in Catalina and I need to upgrade. Even if you can buy the software, you won't be able to stay up to date OS wise.

I'm ok for now with Affinity Photo and Designer for what I do, but I need Lightroom. I'll try DxO as someone suggested and maybe Capture One. I'm also planning to upgrate to a 16” MBP so no option to run Mojave anymore.