Adobe Adds New Features to Creative Cloud Apps

[iMyke]

The "Select Subject" addition for selecting hair and such, looks pretty helpful...
It does not only work on plain/clean backgrounds. Check it out!!

Photoshop Releases its Largest Set of Features Since Adobe MAX | Adobe Blog

Today, Photoshop launches a great set of new features across the desktop and iPad versions, continuing to deliver on our promise to constantly improve the product for our...

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Select subject or object in your images

Use the Object Selection tool, Select Subject, Quick Selection, or Magic Wand tools to make selections in Photoshop.

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[Silverjerk]

A MBA is equally or more powerful than any top tier machine from 15-20 years ago. Don't confuse computers getting every year more and more powerful with a suite requiring less hardware every year. I'm not using any Adobe product right now (but Affinity ones) so I can't judge if Adobe actually did any meaningful optimization or even rewrote their code during the years, but what is sure is your statement totally misleading and proves nothing

Hopefully you realize the self-defeating nature of your own rebuttal? No one is confused with how technology improves over time, the same way none of us are confused with how much more advanced applications also become over time. And the fact that you're in complete denial -- or are ignorant -- of the difference between the Adobe of the early 90's compared to present day tells me you have no clue what you're talking about or even what point you're trying to make. Again, it just appears you're someone who likes to blindly crap all over a company because its fashionable. Instead of providing vague responses and flimsy counter arguments with cliche anecdotes, why not give actual evidence of your argument or claim? You won't, and you can't.

The reality is, Google Chrome likely takes up more resources in your day to day usage than Adobe and its respective apps do. If you're a professional in an industry that relies on these apps daily, you're probably not here leveraging a complaint against them. That is evidenced by the numerous people who have "moved on" from using their products, which were likely just hobbyists or part timers. Outside of a few industries, like mainstream UX design, there are not many professionals that can simply abandon Adobe's suite of apps for one reason or another, and why would they? They work, they provide a platform for us to earn our living, and not one person that's using them to earn their income is here ballyhooing their troubles with Adobe and their apps.

 

[ionutc]

Hopefully you realize the self-defeating nature of your own rebuttal? No one is confused with how technology improves over time, the same way none of us are confused with how much more advanced applications also become over time. And the fact that you're in complete denial -- or are ignorant -- of the difference between the Adobe of the early 90's compared to present day tells me you have no clue what you're talking about or even what point you're trying to make. Again, it just appears you're someone who likes to blindly crap all over a company because its fashionable. Instead of providing vague responses and flimsy counter arguments with cliche anecdotes, why not give actual evidence of your argument or claim? You won't, and you can't.

The reality is, Google Chrome likely takes up more resources in your day to day usage than Adobe and its respective apps do. If you're a professional in an industry that relies on these apps daily, you're probably not here leveraging a complaint against them. That is evidenced by the numerous people who have "moved on" from using their products, which were likely just hobbyists or part timers. Outside of a few industries, like mainstream UX design, there are not many professionals that can simply abandon Adobe's suite of apps for one reason or another, and why would they? They work, they provide a platform for us to earn our living, and not one person that's using them to earn their income is here ballyhooing their troubles with Adobe and their apps.

You're right, professionals (some, of course) that need the Adobe suite don't complain about it, but bash on Apple for the „not pro enough” hardware. Because you know, you should get 32 GB of RAM just to open 1k photos in Lightroom right? The forums are full of people complaining about the numerous bugs and poor optimization yet Adobe fails to solve them. They do provide the platform for earning a living, yes, still we all pay for it, it's not like it's open source. Professional or not, you still have background processes that drain your battery while not using any of the apps, how is this not a reason to complain about?

 

[Silverjerk]

You're right, professionals (some, of course) that need the Adobe suite don't complain about it, but bash on Apple for the „not pro enough” hardware. Because you know, you should get 32 GB of RAM just to open 1k photos in Lightroom right? The forums are full of people complaining about the numerous bugs and poor optimization yet Adobe fails to solve them. They do provide the platform for earning a living, yes, still we all pay for it, it's not like it's open source. Professional or not, you still have background processes that drain your battery while not using any of the apps, how is this not a reason to complain about?

You just sort of shoved that Apple argument in there, quite haphazardly might I add. I'm not sure why; really not part of the discussion. But again, what's your point exactly? Honestly, unplug that expensive laptop of yours and take a look at the main app draining the battery, it's very likely Chrome, or whatever web browser you're using. There are background processes for everything. Welcome to technology. If you don't have the apps open, there are some "helpers" that run in the background and take up minimal resources. Just because people are complaining about something, doesn't make it a real issue. I see it all the time, users crying about their battery life, and because they see these 10 processes from Adobe they assume that's the cause, and "why oh why doesn't Adobe" address our concerns??? Because it's not a real issue. That's an assumption those users are making, nothing more.

First of all, who the hell is working professionally on their battery alone, and for long enough periods of time that it's becoming an issue? If you're taking images of Lions in the african safari, you're probably not opening up Lightroom while you're sitting on that rock where you took your shots. Who are the people that are truly worried about this problem? I've never heard another professional leverage those kinds of complaints. It's always the same type of user, the same camp, the same vocal minority that just whines and complains about every damn thing they can. It's tiring to listen to.

I have my own issues with Adobe, as I said in my first post, but almost none of those issues are related to anything that truly affects what I do day-to-day to earn a living. I've worked in this industry for 20 years; I've been in and out of offices, large firms, conferences, literally rubbed elbows with huge swaths of people using these apps daily. Not one of them has ever complained about these problems. It's just the truth of it. It's always the same story, some hot-headed hobbyist or troll just looking for attention, throwing around anecdotes, not providing any real evidence of REAL issues, unable to actually prove their supposed performance issues/battery drain concerns, etc. It's laughable at best.

Let's see the benchmarks, the before and after graphs of performance/battery impact, let's see the real problem that these users are supposedly happening to them daily. Until then, it's just another voice being added to the annoying fugue of users who need to complain about something; self-entitled hobbyists who are bored and have nothing better to do with their time.

 

[ionutc]

You just sort of shoved that Apple argument in there, quite haphazardly might I add. I'm not sure why; really not part of the discussion. But again, what's your point exactly? Honestly, unplug that expensive laptop of yours and take a look at the main app draining the battery, it's very likely Chrome, or whatever web browser you're using. There are background processes for everything. Welcome to technology. If you don't have the apps open, there are some "helpers" that run in the background and take up minimal resources. Just because people are complaining about something, doesn't make it a real issue. I see it all the time, users crying about their battery life, and because they see these 10 processes from Adobe they assume that's the cause, and "why oh why doesn't Adobe" address our concerns??? Because it's not a real issue. That's an assumption those users are making, nothing more.

First of all, who the hell is working professionally on their battery alone, and for long enough periods of time that it's becoming an issue? If you're taking images of Lions in the african safari, you're probably not opening up Lightroom while you're sitting on that rock where you took your shots. Who are the people that are truly worried about this problem? I've never heard another professional leverage those kinds of complaints. It's always the same type of user, the same camp, the same vocal minority that just whines and complains about every damn thing they can. It's tiring to listen to.

I have my own issues with Adobe, as I said in my first post, but almost none of those issues are related to anything that truly affects what I do day-to-day to earn a living. I've worked in this industry for 20 years; I've been in and out of offices, large firms, conferences, literally rubbed elbows with huge swaths of people using these apps daily. Not one of them has ever complained about these problems. It's just the truth of it. It's always the same story, some hot-headed hobbyist or troll just looking for attention, throwing around anecdotes, not providing any real evidence of REAL issues, unable to actually prove their supposed performance issues/battery drain concerns, etc. It's laughable at best.

Let's see the benchmarks, the before and after graphs of performance/battery impact, let's see the real problem that these users are supposedly happening to them daily. Until then, it's just another voice being added to the annoying fugue of users who need to complain about something; self-entitled hobbyists who are bored and have nothing better to do with their time.

You haven't seen professionals complaining about lack of optimization in Adobe software? Ha, the internet is full of non pros, it's the same „you're not pro enough”. The pros suck it up, as I do with Autodesk - or course they are not perfect and of course I don't spend all my time complaining about bugs but it doesn't mean no one should. How do you think I found those drms that were draining my battery? force quit them and everything was fine - 4 processes, all of them are active after a restart or after Photoshop is open; it was almost 10% over night while in stanby and that's something IMO. BTW I'm using only Photoshop and Lightroom, there's probably a different scenario with other workflows.

I mentioned bashing Apple because „the pros” were the first to complain that those new MacBook Pros didn't have enough memory because you know... Photoshop. They said hobbyists didn't need the memory, but they do - this is why they do. And no, my browser doesn't use 7 GB of RAM. Yes, I did check.

Updates and optimization are the reason why we pay for a subscription service. Good for you if some bugs don't affect you, but that doesn't mean those that are affected are not pro enough.

 

[amartinez1660]

Adobe's usage of resources has actually improved over time, not gotten worse. As someone who's been working with their apps professionally for nearly 20 years, I can attest to this firsthand. When I first started in my industry, you needed a very capable machine to use the entire suite of apps effectively (along with all the Macromedia apps, which is what many of us designers and developers had to do in the early days). Now I can run the entire Creative Cloud library on everything from my Mac Pro, down to the MacBook Air I use while traveling. Not only that, but I can switch from my Mac to my PC when I need to, and I have all of my resources, files, and other assets available across platforms.

I have my own criticisms of Adobe, but this just sounds like the cynical "crap on the company for likes, because reasons" response I see all over these forums. It's cliche. Add something constructive to the conversation, or move on -- and if you have a real complaint, give actual examples of what you're dealing with, rather than just flinging nonsense around to garner upvotes from like-minded luddites.

I don’t know man, you have valid points, but for me, 15 years ago machines where vastly vastly underpowered compared to today and I remember being able to work comfortably: CPUs where something else as they just recently stalled 5 years ago, GPUs 100s fold progress, HDDs vs SSDs, multi threading was like 2 cores max...
Today on a 10-core, SSDs, RTX 2070, etc etc triggering “undo” on a simple visibility checkbox of a solid flat color layer on a medium sized after effects project takes like a couple of seconds... it’s faster to just click it back and forget about undo history sometimes.
Granted, I have switched to specter out iMac 2019 and it’s actually snappier and faster there... however I have rediscovered FCPX and Motion and the performance is such an unparalleled beast that I’m forcing myself to understand its quirks and weird (for me) paradigms choices.
disclaimer: I don’t hate Adobe though, by far... but I think something is going on when it feels like progress isn’t being made besides a few enhancements but it’s touted like the next must haves big things.

 

[Silverjerk]

You haven't seen professionals complaining about lack of optimization in Adobe software? Ha, the internet is full of non pros, it's the same „you're not pro enough”. The pros suck it up, as I do with Autodesk - or course they are not perfect and of course I don't spend all my time complaining about bugs but it doesn't mean no one should. How do you think I found those drms that were draining my battery? force quit them and everything was fine - 4 processes, all of them are active after a restart or after Photoshop is open; it was almost 10% over night while in stanby and that's something IMO. BTW I'm using only Photoshop and Lightroom, there's probably a different scenario with other workflows.

I mentioned bashing Apple because „the pros” were the first to complain that those new MacBook Pros didn't have enough memory because you know... Photoshop. They said hobbyists didn't need the memory, but they do - this is why they do. And no, my browser doesn't use 7 GB of RAM. Yes, I did check.

Updates and optimization are the reason why we pay for a subscription service. Good for you if some bugs don't affect you, but that doesn't mean those that are affected are not pro enough.

I didn't say they weren't "pro" enough, I stated that I've never seen pros working in industries that rely on these apps actually making these complaints and showing valid evidence for all the issues they supposedly are suffering from. You're trying to make the argument that I'm defaming or denigrating a specific type of user to inherently invalidate their concerns. I'm saying those users share a specific set of traits, namely that they are supposedly "professionals" but are usually hobbyists, and that they complain about X, Y, or Z issue without providing evidence for their complaint. They're just making claims, anecdotally. Let's see the numbers, let's see some benchmarks, let's see some real evidence to support the supposed problems they're having with the software.

Take a look at my own system resources (attached). I mean, battery and activity monitor shows what's really happening here. Pretty simple if you ask me. I have several Adobe apps open, all of my coding applications, everything I use for UX design on a daily basis. As well as Screenflow, which I use for my project management tasks. Pretty clear story. The main application I use daily for my workflow is using just over a gig of memory, along with the background processes. I have 32gb of ram in my MacBook Pro. Yet Chrome, which I use for JIRA, Slack, Gmail, and the numerous other apps I use daily for my day-to-day routine is the real culprit in where all of my memory is going.

It's just silly that after ALL of this back to back, we still don't have any real, tangible evidence from users who are supposedly being affected by these technical issues. Just a lot of conjecture, assumption, and the usual brand of nonsense we see in exactly these threads. And I go back to the point I made in my first post.

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I don’t know man, you have valid points, but for me, 15 years ago machines where vastly vastly underpowered compared to today and I remember being able to work comfortably: CPUs where something else as they just recently stalled 5 years ago, GPUs 100s fold progress, HDDs vs SSDs, multi threading was like 2 cores max...
Today on a 10-core, SSDs, RTX 2070, etc etc triggering “undo” on a simple visibility checkbox of a solid flat color layer on a medium sized after effects project takes like a couple of seconds... it’s faster to just click it back and forget about undo history sometimes.
Granted, I have switched to specter out iMac 2019 and it’s actually snappier and faster there... however I have rediscovered FCPX and Motion and the performance is such an unparalleled beast that I’m forcing myself to understand its quirks and weird (for me) paradigms choices.
disclaimer: I don’t hate Adobe though, by far... but I think something is going on when it feels like progress isn’t being made besides a few enhancements but it’s touted like the next must haves big things.

Could just be some subjectivity there, not sure. But for me, when I got started in design and development, I absolutely remember how frustrating it was for me 20 or so years ago, working on OS 8.6, running Photoshop, Dreamweaver, and the other apps I worked with, and how challenging the performance was back then, compared to now. For me, it is a world of difference. Not only in the capability of the hardware, but how well the applications utilize that hardware. Someone earlier made a point about how far hardware has come, and that this was likely the main reason the apps were performing better, what this user didn't take into account was that the applications actually have to be programmed to use this hardware effectively. So their argument about hardware is actually an argument FOR companies like Adobe putting the time and effort into making their apps work well on current platforms/technology.

I hear you on After Effects; I use it daily for UX animation/feature demonstration, and it's definitely challenging to work with. Ram previews are especially frustrating.

 

[nebojsak]

It's just silly that after ALL of this back to back, we still don't have any real, tangible evidence from users who are supposedly being affected by these technical issues. Just a lot of conjecture, assumption, and the usual brand of nonsense we see in exactly these threads. And I go back to the point I made in my first post.

I hear you on After Effects; I use it daily for UX animation/feature demonstration, and it's definitely challenging to work with. Ram previews are especially frustrating.

Any tangible evidence or just whining?

 

[tylertc04]

What right tool one should be using in case when Illustrator CC update screws up units, so you don't have precise ones anymore, and your workflow is heavily dependent on that? And this bug is confirmed by Adobe. And it takes few months until the next update fixes it. And you still pay the subscription no matter what's happening. And your job is at risk because of suddenly buggy software you regularly pay for.

I'm all ears.

you download the previous version of illustrator until the bug is fixed. Easy.

 

[Silverjerk]

Any tangible evidence or just whining?

Are you conflating the two threads of the conversation for comedic effect, or did you have difficulty understanding the difference?

 

[nebojsak]

you download the previous version of illustrator until the bug is fixed. Easy.

And continue to pay my subscription? That's some interesting concept, pretty assertive.

 

[nebojsak]

Are you conflating the two threads of the conversation for comedic effect, or did you have difficulty understanding the difference?

I have my own issues with Adobe, as I said in my first post, but almost none of those issues are related to anything that truly affects what I do day-to-day to earn a living. I've worked in this industry for 20 years; I've been in and out of offices, large firms, conferences, literally rubbed elbows with huge swaths of people using these apps daily. Not one of them has ever complained about these problems. It's just the truth of it. It's always the same story, some hot-headed hobbyist or troll just looking for attention, throwing around anecdotes, not providing any real evidence of REAL issues, unable to actually prove their supposed performance issues/battery drain concerns, etc. It's laughable at best.

What could be difficult to understand in this masterpiece? You said, you've worked, you've been... all supported by rock solid evidence.

 

[Silverjerk]

Point?

 

[tylertc04]

And continue to pay my subscription? That's some interesting concept, pretty assertive.

I'm not sure if I follow your tone but yes, stay on the version prior to the update. Why wouldn't you continue to pay your subscription? Each update isn't necessarily a huge update with all new features.

 

[nebojsak]

I'm not sure if I follow your tone but yes, stay on the version prior to the update. Why wouldn't you continue to pay your subscription? Each update isn't necessarily a huge update with all new features.

But it's not that easy when you work in a deadline-heavy environment 8-10 hours a day. And for sure I don't expect all new features and crazy stuff, I just don't want my workflow to be broken by some silly bug. I don't want to participate in beta program. And this is what Adobe and Apple are doing now with their crippled version of agile development, keep us in perpetual beta versions.

And I'm not talking about some obscure underlying bug - 2/3 of the planet use metric units, this is the first step required to start a new document in any software, and you get the update with units broken. This is very poorly done testing, no less, and we all pay subscription for that.

Or this. It is very well known that AI is not optimized to efficiently use modern hardware, yet this thread is going for almost 3 years or so now, still without a single word of response from Adobe stuff. That's ridiculous for a leading graphics software company with constant and stable income from subscriptions.

 

[Woochoo]

Hopefully you realize the self-defeating nature of your own rebuttal? No one is confused with how technology improves over time, the same way none of us are confused with how much more advanced applications also become over time. And the fact that you're in complete denial -- or are ignorant -- of the difference between the Adobe of the early 90's compared to present day tells me you have no clue what you're talking about or even what point you're trying to make. Again, it just appears you're someone who likes to blindly crap all over a company because its fashionable. Instead of providing vague responses and flimsy counter arguments with cliche anecdotes, why not give actual evidence of your argument or claim? You won't, and you can't.

The reality is, Google Chrome likely takes up more resources in your day to day usage than Adobe and its respective apps do. If you're a professional in an industry that relies on these apps daily, you're probably not here leveraging a complaint against them. That is evidenced by the numerous people who have "moved on" from using their products, which were likely just hobbyists or part timers. Outside of a few industries, like mainstream UX design, there are not many professionals that can simply abandon Adobe's suite of apps for one reason or another, and why would they? They work, they provide a platform for us to earn our living, and not one person that's using them to earn their income is here ballyhooing their troubles with Adobe and their apps.

It's always nice to see someone get salty over an educated argument, it's a fragile ego in its best. The thing is you can just walk into any other professional (or get into forums if you don't know one) which isn't clearly biased towards his beloved suite, and see what they have to tell you about Adobe Suite when it comes to resources. Obviously you won't as you don't wanna get proven wrong, ironically projecting your denial attitude into others. Let's see how many time do you need to type another angry response using the authority argument fallacy.

My point was pretty simple: you were saying the proof of Adobe improving their code and efficiency over years was that you can execute it in a MBA. And I'm repeating you: hardware improves over time, a low end machine can execute code that required top notch hardware 20 years ago. That's how it works, and that's not a proof of Adobe optimizing their code at all as you wanna try to put as a fact.

I'll never understand why people becomes fanboy of a brand and publicly defend it when they aren't even being paid by them. Free marketing I guess. Have a nice day

 

[motulist]

Adobe apps are garbage compared to other programs usually. Just look at Premiere Pro - horrible interface, endless bugs, and super slow performance, plus having a limited feature set forcing you to use both Premiere and After Effects, and then they don't even have consistency between the two apps they force you to bounce between.

Now compare that to the app Davinci Resolve, and see how much better non-adobe apps are.

 

[Silverjerk]

It's always nice to see someone get salty over an educated argument, it's a fragile ego in its best. The thing is you can just walk into any other professional (or get into forums if you don't know one) which isn't clearly biased towards his beloved suite, and see what they have to tell you about Adobe Suite when it comes to resources. Obviously you won't as you don't wanna get proven wrong, ironically projecting your denial attitude into others. Let's see how many time do you need to type another angry response using the authority argument fallacy.

My point was pretty simple: you were saying the proof of Adobe improving their code and efficiency over years was that you can execute it in a MBA. And I'm repeating you: hardware improves over time, a low end machine can execute code that required top notch hardware 20 years ago. That's how it works, and that's not a proof of Adobe optimizing their code at all as you wanna try to put as a fact.

I'll never understand why people becomes fanboy of a brand and publicly defend it when they aren't even being paid by them. Free marketing I guess. Have a nice day

The irony of this reply. I’m no fanboy. As I said before I have my own issues with adobe and dislike many of their applications, premiere and after effects included (as I implied a few responses back). What you so easily attempt to denigrate into projection, I call apt assertion — hardware improves over time, and so does software. That’s how it works. Software doesn’t just organically move along a linear path and remain stagnant. You do understand how code works I assume? It has to be written to properly utilize that new hardware. That’s the reality. What you’re insinuating is that adobe is still running the same code from 20 years ago, which is empirically false and just plain silly. It doesn’t even make sense. But base your entire argument around this all you’d like. Actually, I encourage you to, since it is so easily defensible.

What’s worse is that you’re trying to garner validity for this argument through ad hominem nonsense that is so obvious and blatant it’s almost laughable. In fact, the number of logical fallacies throughout this thread is staggering at best

My point was simple: most of the people complaining in this and other threads like it don’t have valid criticisms but are just parroting the same tired rebuttals over and over again to garner likes or for some egregious form of self-validation. And when asked to provide proof of their concerns no one can ever produce one shed of evidence to back up their claim. No one is saying adobe is perfect. But what we are saying is that maybe we should spend time trying to work towards improving real issues rather than creating a dialog around what is essentially a bunch of trolls who are just getting their rocks off by being social contrarians. Because that’s all this is. Just a bunch of blow-hards saying the same BS I see here and on so many other forums. It’s obvious that these guys aren’t professionals, just angry hobbyists that have nothing better to do on a Wednesday morning.

 

[nebojsak]

My point was simple: most of the people complaining in this and other threads like it don’t have valid criticisms but are just parroting the same tired rebuttals over and over again to garner likes or for some egregious form of self-validation. And when asked to provide proof of their concerns no one can ever produce one shed of evidence to back up their claim. No one is saying adobe is perfect. But what we are saying is that maybe we should spend time trying to work towards improving real issues rather than creating a dialog around what is essentially a bunch of trolls who are just getting their rocks off by being social contrarians. Because that’s all this is. Just a bunch of blow-hards saying the same BS I see here and on so many other forums. It’s obvious that these guys aren’t professionals, just angry hobbyists that have nothing better to do on a Wednesday morning.

Congratulations, this is example of the evidence. Pure facts.

 

[Silverjerk]

Congratulations, this is example of the evidence. Pure facts.

Do these kinds of baited replies work for you somewhere else? Just wondering where this ignorant confidence comes from; or are you just drinking your own koolaid and assuming someone else will buy into your hamfisted rebuttals?

 

[nebojsak]

Do these kinds of baited replies work for you somewhere else? Just wondering where this ignorant confidence comes from; or are you just drinking your own koolaid and assuming someone else will buy into your hamfisted rebuttals?

Look, in this thread I have mentioned two exact problems with my everyday Adobe software of choice. Well documented by majority of users, one of them officially confirmed by Adobe and fixed in the latest release. But to notice that, you have to read what others write. On the other side, you brag about most of the people, bunch of xyz and such vague talk. So you can go play with fellow forum warriors and internet pros. Bye.

 

[Silverjerk]

Look, in this thread I have mentioned two exact problems with my everyday Adobe software of choice. Well documented by majority of users, one of them officially confirmed by Adobe and fixed in the latest release. But to notice that, you have to read what others write. On the other side, you brag about most of the people, bunch of xyz and such vague talk. So you can go play with fellow forum warriors and internet pros. Bye.

Later tater!

 

[japanime]

....said someone who has never used a single Creative Cloud app.

In fact, I've been an Adobe Photoshop user since 1996, and an InDesign user since 1998, when my publishing company abandoned Quark in favor of what was then known as Adobe Pagemaker. I updated every other version through CS3, then moved to CC.

 

[T-R-S]

I needed a better Video editing app I tried Adobe I was forced to subscribe to whole suite. I got Devinchi for free - I was willing to pay but I will never subscribe to software sorry if I'm too old school.

 

[edubfromktown]

In fact, I've been an Adobe Photoshop user since 1996, and an InDesign user since 1998, when my publishing company abandoned Quark in favor of what was then known as Adobe Pagemaker. I updated every other version through CS3, then moved to CC.

Quark... a blast from the past that I had almost forgotten- I have v4/5/6 sitting on a bookshelf.