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about time

well it's about time adobe recognized the potential of the handset computer.

I am very glad adobe is extending it's support for small devices, maybe it'll force the developers to be more frugal and effective with their code.

I really hopes this gets added to it iPhone as either a seperate browser or as a very simple toggle in safari. I almost never want it, but hulu would be nice and occasional onsite videos.
 
Too bad on PCs it Adobe Flash seems to need a 3ghz Pentium 4 or Core 2 Duo to run some websites properly now. Adobe needs to focus on performance. I don't see how the ARM processor could even handle some of those sites with flash content now.
 
I echo the sentiments from other members. On my iPod Touch, I've never once wished I had flash on the browser, infact it rarely if ever crosses my mind.

Good use of JS and CSS means the a lot of the usefull functionality from flash can be used in a more efficient manner on websites anyway. And more importantly, it means I get to miss out on all the stupid Flash banners that can populate websites.

There is one sidenote however, and that is the use of websites incorporating flash to stream full-length movies and tv-shows that I would like if I had an iPhone, such as Hulu for those across the atlantic.

Again, having said that - here in the UK we get to have access to the BBC iPlayer which just goes to show you that if you want to do it, you can do it without flash ;)
 
I am fine with Flash on the iPhone OS as long as you have one of the following options;

1. Setting to completely disable flash
2. Setting to prompt if Flash can be used during a spicific Safari Session
3. Setting to prompt you if flash can load each time you load a page (would get annoying).

Currently, I don't miss flash on the iPhone OS, but I can see how it would be nice for some websites that I visit. It has always bothered me how much some sites overuse that component.

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They are also demoing flash for android, it seems like the iphone is the only one that won't be getting flash.
Blackberry also doesn't have flash too, it's not just the iphone, what about the new blackberry storm, it doesn't have flash.
 
Flash blows like the wind.

Let's hope by the time this ships (end 2009) more people will see this and have stopped developing for the pile of crud that flash is.

Short live flash.

Just say no to bloat.
 
Apple needs to have flash and other adobe app's on the iphone.

i am sick of trying to goto websites and just can't because Flash doesnt work on the iphone
 
It's good to see that they work on this, but to be honest, I don't really miss flash support. I didn't had a single situation in which I did't got the information I needed because of flash... But perhaps I'm the only one :D

Probably not the only one. Good Web designers don't rely only on Flash to deliver the needed Information... ;) Thank God! :)
 
To be honest, Mobile Safari is the greatest mobile web browser in the world but it crashes too damn often to be of constant use. Now imagine adding Flash to the mix. Apple knows they've HAVE to fix Mobile Safari from crashing all the time before they can even BEGIN to think of putting Flash on there.
 
I think Adobe needs to focus on optimizing for their current platforms, like… OS X? Don’t even get me started on trying to use a PowerBook on a site with Flash…

Sometimes I think we’d be better off if Adobe never acquired Macromedia.
 
To be honest, Mobile Safari is the greatest mobile web browser in the world but it crashes too damn often to be of constant use. Now imagine adding Flash to the mix. Apple knows they've HAVE to fix Mobile Safari from crashing all the time before they can even BEGIN to think of putting Flash on there.

I agree. Loading sites like /. crashes Mobile Safari all the time. Also, any sites where you have enter pieces of data generally crash safari. Took me over 10 tries one day to get through this site that I had to get signed up on. Here was a time when having an iPhone could really pay off (I had forgotten to sign up at the house), and Mobile Safari just kept crashing as I navigated through the site trying to fill in a few simple sign up forms. /sigh
 
I cannot wait to see the crash rate on safari...

I used to think no flash would be a problem. Then I realized I could do everything I wanted to do. I bet when/if it comes out, there will be people pleading for a way to turn it off.
 
I worked for a company that partnered with ARM for an optimization of a product. ARM has great people and were able to achieve a better than 20% improvement! But is that enough to make flash fast?

Gregor
 
This is my first post on this site despite reading it for many years, no doubt Ill regret it but I have to go against the grain here and say that I like flash and I would like to see it on the iPhone. I have been in the web design business for the last decade or so and in recent years I have moved more towards CMS/PHP development but I still find uses for Flash from time to time and I know there are a lot of good implementations out there. More importantly, my clients ask for it. As a result of my experience in the field I completely disagree that Flash is in and of itself such a terrible thing. bad coders are a terrible thing perhaps, but you could say that about basic level coding like HTML. I don't give any credibility to comments like "Good web designers don't use Flash" and the sentiment that everything that can be accomplished in Flash can be accomplished using CSS or JS because it simply isn't true. No doubt we have all seen the hundreds of product related microsites for motion pictures, video games, cars and even deodorant that employ unique uses for the flash plugin in a business arena. Many of these sites use highly interactive content that would not be possible without a plug-in like shockwave, flash or silverlight. Now if you want to argue that this type of content doesn't deserve to be on the web, go for it. You can argue it all day. But until this type of content stops attracting visitors it will remain, and while it remains web designers will continue to develop it, not because they suck, but because they want to get paid. And while that content is out there, users will want to view it. Perhaps YOU don't want to view it. But if you are reading this post than I can guarantee you that you are not the typical user anyhow. Anyway thats my two cents. Feel free to flame me per the typical comment behavior on this site.
 
I agree. Loading sites like /. crashes Mobile Safari all the time. Also, any sites where you have enter pieces of data generally crash safari. Took me over 10 tries one day to get through this site that I had to get signed up on. Here was a time when having an iPhone could really pay off (I had forgotten to sign up at the house), and Mobile Safari just kept crashing as I navigated through the site trying to fill in a few simple sign up forms. /sigh
That's the thing, safari already crashes enough so imagine adding flash to it. The iphone needs to get more powerful before they even think of adding it.
 
So, if Adobe MIGHT have Flash iPhone-ready in late 2009.... I guess we can lay to rest the persistent claims that Apple "killed" iPhone Flash for no good reason in early 2007!
 
Flash is not just for ads. It's for video and apps as well.

Someone above asked why not use Objective-C for apps instead of say, Flash? Well, because it only runs on the iPhone. That's not very cost effective if you're trying to target multiple phones.

Mobile programmers have been hoping for a global application environment for years.

So far, Java ME has been the closest thing, but Jobs ignored it just to be a pain, even though Sun said they'd do an iPhone port.

Microsoft is clearly aiming for it with Silverlight (for both mobile and desktop). Which has forced Adobe to put more attention into their mobile version of Flash.
 
This is my first post on this site despite reading it for many years, no doubt Ill regret it but I have to go against the grain here and say that I like flash and I would like to see it on the iPhone. I have been in the web design business for the last decade or so and in recent years I have moved more towards CMS/PHP development but I still find uses for Flash from time to time and I know there are a lot of good implementations out there. More importantly, my clients ask for it. As a result of my experience in the field I completely disagree that Flash is in and of itself such a terrible thing. bad coders are a terrible thing perhaps, but you could say that about basic level coding like HTML. I don't give any credibility to comments like "Good web designers don't use Flash" and the sentiment that everything that can be accomplished in Flash can be accomplished using CSS or JS because it simply isn't true. No doubt we have all seen the hundreds of product related microsites for motion pictures, video games, cars and even deodorant that employ unique uses for the flash plugin in a business arena. Many of these sites use highly interactive content that would not be possible without a plug-in like shockwave, flash or silverlight. Now if you want to argue that this type of content doesn't deserve to be on the web, go for it. You can argue it all day. But until this type of content stops attracting visitors it will remain, and while it remains web designers will continue to develop it, not because they suck, but because they want to get paid. And while that content is out there, users will want to view it. Perhaps YOU don't want to view it. But if you are reading this post than I can guarantee you that you are not the typical user anyhow. Anyway thats my two cents. Feel free to flame me per the typical comment behavior on this site.

The problem is not that some people can use it well.

The deal is that flash is inherently bloated, slow, cpu intensive (and in the case of the iphone would be a battery drainer. BIG TIME) thanks for years of cruddy programming from Adobe. As others have mentioned, IT RUNS LOUSY ON A DESKTOP, you know, a desktop with gigahertz cpus and a desktop that is plugged into a power outlet.

And let's not even get started how the fact is most flash programmers ARE lousy and write code that would result in more of the iphone CPU's being used resulting in BAD battery life.

Apple does not want it for among other reasons, because it has an interpretive language in it. That means apple can not control the battery use by lousy programmers. And yes html and javascript are similar, but they seldom move graphics and animation around. They usually just do stuff to the DOM. and apple has been doing wonderful things to speed up webkit and javascript (see squirrelfish)

No matter how good a person thinks they are in Flash. They can't overcome that.

So once adobe (if) fixes the issues above, maybe this can be revisted, but until adobe gets their head out of their behinds. The options and reasons you mentioned are irrelevant on the iphone.

Because it is all about the battery.
 
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