This is my first post on this site despite reading it for many years, no doubt Ill regret it but I have to go against the grain here and say that I like flash and I would like to see it on the iPhone. I have been in the web design business for the last decade or so and in recent years I have moved more towards CMS/PHP development but I still find uses for Flash from time to time and I know there are a lot of good implementations out there. More importantly, my clients ask for it. As a result of my experience in the field I completely disagree that Flash is in and of itself such a terrible thing. bad coders are a terrible thing perhaps, but you could say that about basic level coding like HTML. I don't give any credibility to comments like "Good web designers don't use Flash" and the sentiment that everything that can be accomplished in Flash can be accomplished using CSS or JS because it simply isn't true. No doubt we have all seen the hundreds of product related microsites for motion pictures, video games, cars and even deodorant that employ unique uses for the flash plugin in a business arena. Many of these sites use highly interactive content that would not be possible without a plug-in like shockwave, flash or silverlight. Now if you want to argue that this type of content doesn't deserve to be on the web, go for it. You can argue it all day. But until this type of content stops attracting visitors it will remain, and while it remains web designers will continue to develop it, not because they suck, but because they want to get paid. And while that content is out there, users will want to view it. Perhaps YOU don't want to view it. But if you are reading this post than I can guarantee you that you are not the typical user anyhow. Anyway thats my two cents. Feel free to flame me per the typical comment behavior on this site.