Hilarious site: http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/
I hope for Adobe's sake they've been following it.
I hope for Adobe's sake they've been following it.
Adobe Announces Creative Suite 5 including Photoshop CS5 and Flash Catalyst CS5
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sfwalter
macrumors 68020
The licensing agreement of the academic versions of Adobe software doesn't allow for upgrade pricing. You need to buy the new educational version at the full price.
sfwalter
macrumors 68020
I'm a photographer that uses Adobe Photoshop religiously. I think its a great product, but I'm skipping the update this round. It would cost me $199 to upgrade and I really don't see $199 of value in the features that would benefit me.
The content aware filling is cool, but don't know that many times that I would use it. The new features geared for photographers can easily be fixed by having the photographer getting it right in camera in the first place.
The content aware filling is cool, but don't know that many times that I would use it. The new features geared for photographers can easily be fixed by having the photographer getting it right in camera in the first place.
John.B
macrumors 601
I'm mainly a Lightroom user, but I wouldn't pass up the new raw engine in Photoshop CS5 (which is the same one as in Lightroom 3 Beta 2).
I'm also eager to see how the lens correction feature (from EXIF data) plays out IRL. I'd like the chance to get DxO out of my workflow, if possible...
And I'm wondering if their new HDR functionality can make normal images from bracketed shots -- ones that don't look like they were shot in an alternate dimension...
Now, where is that brown truck already?
John.B
macrumors 601
That's a win, as far as Apple is concerned.
Basically the same as if the Flash-to-iPhone generated a proper Xcode project with Objective-C code -- without deploying an entire Flash translation library in the ipsw bundle.
Plus, it puts the onus back on Adobe to keep current with iPhone OS releases.
WilliamLondon
macrumors 68000
You say strong winds, I say posterior emissions from a bunch of overblown windbags with nothing better to do than run around crying, "I'm a victim, I'm a victim."
Adobe Is So Lazy
I have been using the Adobe Creative Suite for 12 years now. Adobe is one of the slowest companies to innovate their products. I have rarely (if ever) in the past 12 years seen a new Adobe release and said to myself I HAVE to have the new version, it's so much better.
They have millions of people that use their products everyday, and yet not one of them would tell you that they find Adobe an exciting company to watch and see how they improve their software. Because the truth is, they only make minor improvements. They think they can add on a couple Photoshop filters in 2 years, and wow the world with their new release. It's pretty upsetting, because its 2010 and they can do so much more to innovate in this space.
I still use CS3, and it works OK. I just can't believe its been two releases CS4, and now CS5 and I still don't see any significant changes for me to want to upgrade.
Adobe seriously needs to rethink their software's User Interface elements, and menus.
Thoroughly disappointed with this new release. They need more competition.
Does anyone feel the same way?
I have been using the Adobe Creative Suite for 12 years now. Adobe is one of the slowest companies to innovate their products. I have rarely (if ever) in the past 12 years seen a new Adobe release and said to myself I HAVE to have the new version, it's so much better.
They have millions of people that use their products everyday, and yet not one of them would tell you that they find Adobe an exciting company to watch and see how they improve their software. Because the truth is, they only make minor improvements. They think they can add on a couple Photoshop filters in 2 years, and wow the world with their new release. It's pretty upsetting, because its 2010 and they can do so much more to innovate in this space.
I still use CS3, and it works OK. I just can't believe its been two releases CS4, and now CS5 and I still don't see any significant changes for me to want to upgrade.
Adobe seriously needs to rethink their software's User Interface elements, and menus.
Thoroughly disappointed with this new release. They need more competition.
Does anyone feel the same way?
designs216
macrumors 65816
http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/04/12/to.ship.by.end.of.april/
For that kind of money, I was really hoping for full 64bit support across all apps.
For that kind of money, I was really hoping for full 64bit support across all apps.
Anuba
macrumors 68040
+1. Obviously, when a company that thrives on premium pricing uses a clearance-sale pricing model on an isolated group of products (Apple's software), people should smell a rat – Apple isn't doing it to be nice. It's simply part of a lock-in strategy; Step 1 – make them switch to Mac, step 2 – offer them Mac-exclusive software like FCS, Logic and iWork and make sure it's way cheaper than cross-platform alternatives like Premiere/AE, Cubase and MS Office. Once the customer is hooked on the Mac-exclusive software, the threshold for returning to Windows is much higher.
Having said that, Adobe CS is still ridiculously overpriced, regardless of the fact that Adobe doesn't sell hardware. CS is priced as if it were made for a small, obscure market where a few hundred high-profile professional customers have to carry the development costs, yet it sells millions, like Office or whatever.
I checked out the "What's New in Flash Professional CS5" page, and the new additions were so lame it reads more like a maintenance update. New text engine, enhanced ActionScript editor, improved CS integration, ooooooooooh! Let me get my wallet... and use the money for something else.
Some of the CS5 products (such as SoundBooth) remain so unchanged since CS4 they don't even have a "What's New" page(!)
niuniu
macrumors 68020
I agree with you, I'm on CS3, but Content Fill has won my little heart. I'm not sure what the point of CS4 was..
FrankieTDouglas
macrumors 68000
What the ****? Is this Apple's plan? To convince the mindless Apple users to begin hating on Adobe? These people don't even know why they hate Adobe.
Fact is, the majority of people here don't even have a reason to use Adobe products. This is intended for professionals... the people who kept Apple in business before the consumers came along with their ipods.
It's annoying as hell to see people calling for the demise of Adobe when they don't even understand the company. Learn some perspective.
What is a Photoshop killer? Something from Apple? Okay, let's look at their Adobe competition products:
Aperture? Lightroom is loads easier on a system. I don't know of any institution or professional photographer using Aperture over Lightroom.
iWeb? This dumbed-down program can't even start to touch Dreamweaver, much less those who code by hand.
Final Cut Pro? Yes, this is a good piece of software. Premiere is stable now, but was not so a few years ago when FCP began competing.
And... well? There is no equivalent from Apple for Photoshop. Or Illustrator. Or InDesign. Or Flash. Nothing. Apple is batting 1 for 3 on software that can even begin to compare with their current offerings.
Anuba
macrumors 68040
Yeah, well... the problem is that this whole "CS" concept enforces a deadline on all the Adobe teams, no matter where their particular product is in the evolutionary process. Therefore there are always a couple of CS products in each iteration that offer little to nothing new. In CS4, Flash saw some major improvements, but in Dreamweaver there was almost nothing, aside from the CS-wide overhaul of the GUI that is. In CS5 there's tons of new stuff in Photoshop and After Effects, but almost nothing in Flash. If Adobe weren't so hell bent on bundling everything (and the users weren't so hell bent on buying the bundles), each product could evolve at its own pace and be released when it's worthy.
+2. Using CS3 as well, didnt see the point in upgrading to 4. CS 5 looks a little better but still very disappointing - certainly did not exceed my expectations
Yup have to agree, though my experience is mainly in CS3 and CS4. I'd say the features Adobe do implement are useful, but are not justifiable at the price and amount of time they take to implement them.
There is a lot more Adobe could do to really innovate it's products, but I suppose with a strong hand over basically all of the creative market there is little incentive to do so. What we need is some strong competition which won't get bought out first-instant, then we'll see how Adobe react.
This issue with Apple we are having at the moment, although potentially damaging to some professionals, will hopefully at least shake Adobe up and make them realise they don't have the market all to themselves. And if users jump ship on Flash then they will see that a viable alternative to any of their products from a strong competitor (although in this case I realise it isn't directly software-related but more the coding environment) could really damage their consumer base.
I don't think there is a strong following of Adobe 'fans' as I would call them - most of us are small to medium businesses who could really do without having to pay high-priced upgrade fees for a few new features. I know there is an element of choice in the purchasing decision, but my point is that if there was a truly viable alternative to the creative suite for a lower price, Adobe wouldn't have many customers left.
RebootD
macrumors 6502a
You said it. Adobe barely releases updates to existing programs (Dreamweaver CS4 is still at 10.0) and then 'fixes' them but sprinkles some new features and re-releases it as CS(X). Photoshop obviously gets the bulk of new features but I'd say the neat extraction/scaling would barely be used in my normal daily use. So not a decision maker.
I rely on these programs for a living, so I obviously will have to upgrade eventually, but it would be nice if they even tried to fix existing versions first.
IntelliUser
macrumors 6502
This actually reminds me of the FIFA video games, using the same graphics engine for years, just updating the games teams and the interface ever year, lol.
mdriftmeyer
macrumors 68040
No, they haven't stated anything regarding Cocoa.
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/photoshop/systemreqs/
Regarding Hardware acceleration:
According to Adobe's requirements page, you must have a 64-bit system running 10.5.x or 10.6.x in order to run everything. Which app did you see that didn't require 64bit?
mdriftmeyer
macrumors 68040
Use Javascript and CSS with any basic graphics editor to create and implement your own controls.
mdriftmeyer
macrumors 68040
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashcatalyst/
Allows one to make completely Flash end-to-end Web Sites without having to write in ActionScript.
Like I said, designed to create entire web sites in Flash. You think people will restrict this to inline presentations? The build with knowing programming is another gimmick done by dozens of corporations before Adobe and they all fail.
As others have pointed out, even more fugly looking sites will pop up. Adobe is opening a can of hurt on itself.
They realize they spent a fortune on Flash and more from Macromedia and are desperate to recoup that investment or see its shareholders request a complete change in command.
Abyssgh0st
macrumors 68000
WOW on the Photoshop demo! Definitely makes me want to upgrade my CS4..
forgetaboutpro
macrumors member
Do you even work in Adobe CS? I spend about 16 hours a day in this software and in my opinion nothing comes close. This is a professional suite aimed at creative professionals, if thats not you then use something else. What are apple going to add to this anyway - a faces/places feature?
I can't wait.
While i am looking forward to a few of the features in photoshop cs5 (if only illustrator got some more love) i still think they should stop trying to add slight variations on current tools and work on the two things most in need of attention.
Interface and performance.
I'd love to see the cs5 suite have a unified interface simmilar to aperture 3 or pixelmator.
Interface and performance.
I'd love to see the cs5 suite have a unified interface simmilar to aperture 3 or pixelmator.