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Adobe Announces New Creative Cloud Apps, Abandons Creative Suite
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I'm not saying that's not the case. Just that for many this is will be a big deal.
Also, a tax deduction isn't as great as so many make it out to be. Unless you're able to beat the standardized deductions it's not money back. I'd much rather have $50/mon in my pocket than $50/mon to claim in deductions. You don't get all that money back come tax time.
This would be a great opportunity for Apple to release its own Creative Suite competitor... except I don't think they have one.
By your definition a horse is an viable alternative to a Ferrari.
Fortunately your signature destroys what shreds of credibility you may have had.
this is a good one for people who just want to get Photoshop and have no intentions to use the cloud.
Way to go Adobe.
Way to go Adobe.
Dear Apple,
Please, oh please, update your pro apps. Aperture, Logic, and Final Cut were all great in their day and could be great again. You have the money. Right now the professionals and the prosumers would even be willing to give you a chance after the FCP X debacle. You're pricing and EULA now seem even more fair and reasonable. We will buy your software. We already buy your expensive laptops and we will buy whatever over priced replacement to the Mac Pro you finally release (some might even be willing to buy your iMac. some.)
However the only product you've updated in the last three years (Final Cut) is only now reaching parity with the version it "replaced". Meanwhile you have killed applications like SoundTrack Pro (Adobe Audition's nearest competitor) and iWeb instead of fixing and upgrading what were great foundations (if very limited and buggy).
Please, oh please, update your pro apps. Aperture, Logic, and Final Cut were all great in their day and could be great again. You have the money. Right now the professionals and the prosumers would even be willing to give you a chance after the FCP X debacle. You're pricing and EULA now seem even more fair and reasonable. We will buy your software. We already buy your expensive laptops and we will buy whatever over priced replacement to the Mac Pro you finally release (some might even be willing to buy your iMac. some.)
However the only product you've updated in the last three years (Final Cut) is only now reaching parity with the version it "replaced". Meanwhile you have killed applications like SoundTrack Pro (Adobe Audition's nearest competitor) and iWeb instead of fixing and upgrading what were great foundations (if very limited and buggy).
Exactly. Many people seem to incorrectly think tax deductions come directly off the taxes you pay. They don't, they are subtracted from your taxable income which does not work out to a 1:1 recovery.
For example, if you earn $40,000 / year at a 15% tax rate (just making numbers up), you would normally be taxed $6,000. If you deduct $600 in expenses from your taxable income, you're taxed $5,910. A total savings of $90, a ways off from $600.
As someone who has been running creative cloud at work and home for a year... meh. Apps run exactly the same as owning the "suite" & less than 2 hours work covers the cost each month. The sky is not falling.
my signature??? LOL you gotta be kidding. Seriously? Well, let me read it... I think is true. but it doesn't says anything about Graphic Design and new options.
I can wholeheartedly second iDraw for vector drawing --I love this program. Extremely intuitive, I can use it to do Illustrator tutorials --how to do things is different but you can get similar results. In fact, using iDraw helped make Illustrator (my old CS2 version) more intelligible. There's also an iPad version of iDraw which people swear by and syncs beautifully with the Mac OS X version. I've got that too.
For raster work I use Pixelmator now since my older version Photoshop got all crashy. --And I love Pixelmator --pick up the free gradient packs and links to Quartz filters from sites like PXM-tuts.com.
Legally speaking, one has NEVER owned any software, just the media it comes in - what you get is a license to use it.
The pathetic difference now is that, as you say above, this license is limited in time, something that did not occur before in 99% of the software licenses sold to customers. Worse, any such use requires a constant Internet connection.
And don't even get me started with the whole issue of the negligible marginal costs involved in selling software licenses once a certain revenue threshold is reached (i.e., you sell a lot of copies, recoup your investment and then continue charging the same amount for years and years).
And if you think that "two to four" years of subscribing compensates the price you pay for a full, unrestricted version...well, think again. I am sure most businesses will be happy to disagree.
Either way, I'm not doubting your skill as a designer or implying the apps you've suggested as alternatives are not good in their own right, but they still are not in the same league as Adobe's offerings and many designers and creative types would struggle to accomplish their day-to-day tasks with them in an efficient manner.
I can wholeheartedly second iDraw for vector drawing --I love this program. Extremely intuitive, I can use it to do Illustrator tutorials --how to do things is different but you can get similar results. In fact, using iDraw helped make Illustrator (my old CS2 version) more intelligible. There's also an iPad version of iDraw which people swear by and syncs beautifully with the Mac OS X version. I've got that too.
For raster work I use Pixelmator now since my older version Photoshop got all crashy. --And I love Pixelmator --pick up the free gradient packs and links to Quartz filters from sites like PXM-tuts.com.
This is a great thread to get opinions on other app's for those looking to break from Adobe or in need of exploring other tools for improved workflows. Thanks for the recommendations. I read an earlier comment in which someone posted a shot of their Launchpad app's they use in lieu of Adobe CS app's. I already have "Hype" but haven't had a chance in using it, I'll check out the others.
For those looking for recommended app's, read through the thread. I might take the time in making a list based on the comments for those interested.
Oh, last question. If you have CS5 or 6 "pirated", I'm assuming those individuals are SOL as it will require a differing method to activate? Thankfully I only use PhotoShop and Dreamweaver, paid in full. I should still be able to use those apps, just not moving forward with CS7=CC revisions.
No, that works perfectly fine. You're allowed to activate the software on two machines. The only license check is monthly. There's no concurrent check.
Not so much incorrect as not applied to a long enough time span. It takes 3 years of subscribing to catch up to the initial cost of buying the Production Suite. That amount is paid out over time, so it isn't nearly as much of an initial investment. But there does come a point when it becomes more expensive. I'd say after about 5 years you'll start paying more than you would if you bought it outright, and upgraded twice during that time.
I'm starting to realize there is one big problem with it. There aren't enough tiers to help offset cost for every usage scenario. If you use a single app like me, or work in a studio that leverages the entire master suite, they're excellent deals. It'll take you years upon years to match the cost, and you get free upgrades and a bunch of cloud perks to help sweeten the deal.
...but if you use two or three apps, you're being gouged. Subscribing to three individual apps costs $10 more than the entire master suite, and if you go with the $50 master suite, you're paying for a bunch of programs you'll probably never use. There's no in between deal.
Like I said before, Adobe needs to think things out a little better. Maybe offer a shelf bought copy for people who don't mind spending $700 for something good, but don't feel the need to upgrade every 3 years. The subscription deal isn't nearly as terrible as some people here are making it out to be, but it doesn't work for everyone.
Well, the Photoshop CS6 upgrade will be the last dime Adobe ever sees from me! Even giving them the money for that upgrade was a tough decision. I despise the company and its marketing methods.
The good news is that I agree with others... Another company will come along to better fill the void that Adobe is leaving.
Mark
The good news is that I agree with others... Another company will come along to better fill the void that Adobe is leaving.
Mark
Tried to upgrade from CS5 to CS6. It's already too late. Every link takes you to CC. There is no way too upgrade. Guess I'll stick with CS5 until I die.
I found a retail boxed version online and it should be shipped soon. When it ships I'll say "mission accomplished". Till then I'll wait and see.
I found a retail boxed version online and it should be shipped soon. When it ships I'll say "mission accomplished". Till then I'll wait and see.
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Not rented/leased in the sense of "pay periodically or your software will stop working."
Read your Creative Cloud EULA's.
True, true. Some claim Motion to be its successor, but as you correctly pointed out it truly isn't. Shame. Still have Shake 4.1
Same method, they just don't get the $10 a month discount. They'll have to pay the new users fee of $20 a month for a yearly sub.
Stop complaining here and write Adobe and tell them how you feel.
Why are Adobe such dicks? After investing thousands of dollars with upgrades to Photoshop over the years I am now forced to pay twice each year for what I used to pay every 18-24 months. I saw the writing on the wall when they introduced Muse as an Web Only app this year. I guess I will stick with Photoshop CS6 for as long as possible or until OSX kills its functionality.
Why are Adobe such dicks? After investing thousands of dollars with upgrades to Photoshop over the years I am now forced to pay twice each year for what I used to pay every 18-24 months. I saw the writing on the wall when they introduced Muse as an Web Only app this year. I guess I will stick with Photoshop CS6 for as long as possible or until OSX kills its functionality.