How so. If you stop paying with CC you stop having access to....
The value to me as an owner swings in the opposite direction so clearly.
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Adobe Announces New Creative Cloud Apps, Abandons Creative Suite
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How so. If you stop paying with CC you stop having access to....
The value to me as an owner swings in the opposite direction so clearly.
It's easy to see why they are forcing this, even if I'm laughing in hysterics over their "it's time to change" claptrap being paraded on their website. Yeah, it's change - better for them and there is nothing in their writing that comes across as benefiting, you know, the CUSTOMER.
Articles since the Cloud versions came out showed that buying was better than leasing - in terms of overall cost, and what happens when you stop paying. You can still use the purchased product.
I was ramping up to buy CS7, even if Photoshop had 1 feature I wanted along with the updates Dreamweaver had, but it will be a pain to set up leasing then canceling then starting again, and to pay $100 per month is ridiculous.
I first fathomed this might happen back when MUSE came out - it was lease-only and, sorry, but i might not be able to let the computer phone itself to Apple if I'm on holiday for a month when it wants to check in before letting me use what I spent tons of money for...
This is just a greed-grab by Adobe and with luck the company will go under. I don't see this SaaS concept lasting for too long, once customers rely on how little updates will come forth since there's no competition or incentive to work, or the limitations with this system. Adobe isn't as big as Microsoft, which can leverage these parasitic programs more readily.
And it also explains why the college I went to went from full, forever licenses to "due to the contract your institution has set up, this license will expire (18 months later)"... unless the college is cutting costs, but that's another discussion altogether... I'm glad I did my degree when I had...
P.S. 100GB of cloud storage? I'll buy 1TB hard disk for $90 and not be bothered. I've seen, in many cases, how much it costs to get x amount of space leased over time and it - by far - is still in favor of local storage, no matter how they try to spin it. Just wait for "market forces", which are the antithesis to a free market of choice, to dictate how people live.
Articles since the Cloud versions came out showed that buying was better than leasing - in terms of overall cost, and what happens when you stop paying. You can still use the purchased product.
I was ramping up to buy CS7, even if Photoshop had 1 feature I wanted along with the updates Dreamweaver had, but it will be a pain to set up leasing then canceling then starting again, and to pay $100 per month is ridiculous.
I first fathomed this might happen back when MUSE came out - it was lease-only and, sorry, but i might not be able to let the computer phone itself to Apple if I'm on holiday for a month when it wants to check in before letting me use what I spent tons of money for...
This is just a greed-grab by Adobe and with luck the company will go under. I don't see this SaaS concept lasting for too long, once customers rely on how little updates will come forth since there's no competition or incentive to work, or the limitations with this system. Adobe isn't as big as Microsoft, which can leverage these parasitic programs more readily.
And it also explains why the college I went to went from full, forever licenses to "due to the contract your institution has set up, this license will expire (18 months later)"... unless the college is cutting costs, but that's another discussion altogether... I'm glad I did my degree when I had...
P.S. 100GB of cloud storage? I'll buy 1TB hard disk for $90 and not be bothered. I've seen, in many cases, how much it costs to get x amount of space leased over time and it - by far - is still in favor of local storage, no matter how they try to spin it. Just wait for "market forces", which are the antithesis to a free market of choice, to dictate how people live.
This has certainly been my experience. I would have upgraded to CS6 Web Premium a year ago which would have been around $600 I think.
I'm a freelance web designer so use Dreamweaver and Fireworks, with a little bit of InDesign and Illustrator. I tried Creative Cloud at the reduced rate of $30 a month, which seemed a no brained and a good way to try it out.
And having been using it for a year, whatever people think about the price, I can't imagine it working better than it has. There have been a lot of misconceptions in this thread, but the way you download everything locally means there's no difference whatsoever in practical usage terms. Other than the very occasional prompt to login when I fire up an app, I'd never know it was cloud based.
And it does seem that Adobe have added quite a lot of new smaller apps and services which are included, for example all the Edge stuff and Typekit which is included.
Maths wise, it wa a no brained the first year, and I think at full price it might work out marginally more expensive than upgrading every 2 versions, assuming a new version every 18 months. But I do feel I'm getting a bit more, so don't think I'm going to object too much. And now that a new version is about to come out, I do t have to think twice about upgrading.
So I think it all comes down to how often you would tend to upgrade really.
For any skeptics out there, I'd recommend trying it for the first year at the intro price, and see what you think. My experience has been overwhelmingly positive.
I still don't see why people have a huge problem with it, you're still paying for it but just in a different way.
So I notice a couple things occurring because of the creative cloud switch.
1. Assuming Adobe is the only retailer of these software titles, many other retailers will be losing a product from their shelves.
2. No competition for pricing.
3. Adobe used to sell to retailers at a wholesale price, assuming they aren't anymore, Adobe has skipped the middleman, but hasn't passed on the savings.
1. Assuming Adobe is the only retailer of these software titles, many other retailers will be losing a product from their shelves.
2. No competition for pricing.
3. Adobe used to sell to retailers at a wholesale price, assuming they aren't anymore, Adobe has skipped the middleman, but hasn't passed on the savings.
Let's do a quick web search on jobs for graphic design. I don't know where anyone can type "make $4-$6k a month" as if everyone does, without an iota of proof. Most jobs are hard to come by, competition is VERY intense, and $4000/mo is a pipedream - either for one month or for years in succession.
Most people don't make that much, regardless of level of skill and/or talent, especially in an economy that continues to dwindle, with more small businesses folding that would be generating the work for anyone to make ($4000/mo? That sounds like the drivel posted by spammers on zdnet and other tech sites for crying out loud... the only thing missing is a suspicious or dubious URL link...)
/realitycheck
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So if smoke is 3.5k and a yearly subscription is 675, it costs 4175 for the first year.
Creative cloud costs 600 a year, straight up. I've been on CC for a year at $30 a month, which has been great, and I definitely see the value in continuing.
The bottom line is that this is the future, and by and large all the people I talk to who actually use this software to make money are totally ok with it.
Except Aperture replaces none of the tools that are actually included in CC/CS.
You're kidding right?
My CS6 will open projects created in it as long as the disk image/OS works (even virtualized) and we image the OS / Apps for large projects to have them side-by-side in case.
CC customers need to pay forever, no matter what the future cost/subscription requirements are. Imagine if all the software and plugins that run on top of Creative Suite followed the same subscription price-hike model.
Then try it.
Install it.
Then don't pay $90 next month.
Can you continue to use it?
No, you cannot.
It is not merely "you're still paying for it but just in a different way".
And that, folks, is what's different. Adobe benefits. You, the customer who works damn hard for the money, does not. It's that simple.
Since the software is essentially a fully installed app that occasionally phones home (1 a month I read) it will be interesting how hacker/pirate proof this will be.
I do a lot of photography as a hobby and have been using Photoshop for ten years. Before I bought CS6 barely three months ago I held on CS4 for a couple of years before upgrading because I never felt the need to pay for every new release. Looks like CS6 will be with me for a very long time or it will be my last Adobe product that I buy - depends how it pans out.
Bad news for individual hobbyists and small businesses. Also I don't know about you guys but the concept of having to rent out an essential tool that is a part of your regular workflow rather then buy it outright does not sit well with me. Its like buying a camera and having to pay monthly for the right to use it or it shuts down.
Perhaps he was thinking about Lightroom? Is that included in the CC? (Sorry Aperture user here)
I do a lot of photography as a hobby and have been using Photoshop for ten years. Before I bought CS6 barely three months ago I held on CS4 for a couple of years before upgrading because I never felt the need to pay for every new release. Looks like CS6 will be with me for a very long time or it will be my last Adobe product that I buy - depends how it pans out.
Bad news for individual hobbyists and small businesses. Also I don't know about you guys but the concept of having to rent out an essential tool that is a part of your regular workflow rather then buy it outright does not sit well with me. Its like buying a camera and having to pay monthly for the right to use it or it shuts down.
Perhaps he was thinking about Lightroom? Is that included in the CC? (Sorry Aperture user here)
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The legal 'prosumers' are being royally screwed, though.
I've purchased Photoshop CS3 and CS6 for amateur/hobby uses for a total of around £600. That's about 84 months (April 2007 - theoretically April 2014) at around £7.10 a month.
Now Adobe want more than double that, every month, and I'll be paying for features I neither need nor can afford.
I was happy with upgrading every so often, but I guess I'll have to use CS6 until my Mac is too old, then find a replacement as for me, CC just isn't economically viable.
Have fun.
Just be sure to have an existing pre-CC license that works. You might find that, after a while, being controlled isn't as fun as all that. Especially if you pay, stop paying - REGARDLESS OF REASON - and they dump you like a hot potato. There's enough circumstantial evidence with this economy that even I should be placing bets in Wall Street and profit off the sheep... pity I'm too conscientious of customers or ethical to do that...
I've benefited greatly from Creative Cloud. I've been using it for $30/month on CS6 and now I get rolled up to the new version with a totally overhauled indesign and new features in the other apps I use at no additional cost. How exactly am I getting screwed here?
THANK YOU!!
And prosumers usually buy this stuff to build up skill to become professionals. The only value here is paying for a couple months and disconnecting, but I'd bet that Adobe will be forcing certain issues (mandatory entry costs, termination fees, early termination fees... they'll make it sound like it's good to the customers, especially when people collectively forget about pre-CC-era packages, but in reality Adobe is here for Adobe and it will get you inside its walled garden and fleece for as long as possible afterward. Once they remove the choice between perpetual license vs leasing, which some people still can't seem to understand... oh well. This is what people want, so I don't want to hear them complain. Unless they allow us to say "we told you so" first.
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You might not notice it now, but one day you might... Unless you want to try something on a dare:
Stop paying and find out how long you can use your current version once it's realized you're breaking or ending the agreement. You won't be able to use the existing or new version.
That is how you're getting screwed.
Besides, would you really pay the same amount of money for a lease as opposed to a perpetual license?
Only if you're not given the choice.
That is how you're getting screwed.
If I can't afford the 50 bucks a month off what I make from this software, I should consider a new line of work.
I admit that prosumers are getting a bad deal here but all the professionals I've talked to about it are pretty cool with this.
You keep missing the point and the fact the world doesn't revolve solely around you.
Oh, have fun considering a new line of work... for peanuts that will be deemed "overpaid" by those who hand it to you.
Signed,
the future
No, it doesn't. I admit that prosumers are kinda getting a ****** deal here.
For professionals the only real change is that we don't have people sending us files from newer versions that we can't open without paying about a grand to upgrade, and the overall experience of using the software is better since updates get rolled out faster. And a lot of the cloud features like Typekit actually save a lot of money (fonts are very expensive).
Some companies, especially smaller creative houses won't necessary be happy with the additional costs as they have different upgrade cycles.
The only thing I learned from upgrading from CS3 to CS6 was that I wasted a bunch of money. Sure as **** didn't get any faster. Palettes still completely inconsistent across programs. Same or similar bugs abound. Looks like I'll try to squeeze five or six years out of CS6 before they hook me up to the permanent morphine drip. Pretty disgusting.
LOL , i hope your not in IT , DSL is garbage and i make sure its ripped out of anywhere i do work at now and in the future.
I'm going to have a friend purchase a student copy of CS6 Web Design tomorrow. Does anyone know how activation works? I know you need to send in a copy of a student ID but whose name do you use when registering the software? Do you have to use that student's name or can you use your own name and then just send them the copy of the student ID? Essentially, my friend bought me a copy and gave it to me.
Most every route is noticed by actual humans. Just remember that they don't generally really care. Very few companies take customer feedback seriously. All the bitching and suggestions people have made to Apple on this site for years seem to have zero effect on their product features.
Okay, if that's the case then that is stupid. Studios are Adobe's bread and butter. They do too much to piss them off, they'll bail to cheaper (if not necessarily greener) pastures, and happily leave them behind.
It's in their best interests to at least try and match the cost of their previous volume deals. If they're charging you almost three times as much, and not offering you anything in return besides free yearly upgrades and some cloud storage (which isn't worth it, considering the price), I can understand why you'd be pissed.
The biggest advantage of going with the whole Creative Suite is that all the apps play well together. You can cut and flip files back and forth from Lightroom to Premiere to After Effects fairly seamlessly (from what I hear anyway), but there are alternatives to most of these apps that work at least 99.9% as well. You lose some convenience maybe, but there are other perks to other programs, and you'll likely be saving a ton of money.
Only problem is there are two apps Adobe makes that nothing else compares to: Photoshop and Illustrator. These are Adobe's two lynchpin products. If you're doing any type of visual work for a studio, you have no other choice but to use these two programs. There isn't anything else out there that even comes close to matching them in power and ease of use. GIMP? It's obtuse as hell, feels kinda slapped together, and doesn't even offer half the high end features PS does. Pixelmator? It's a well designed program, but it's about 10% of PS. I haven't used Illustrator much, but I hear every 2D vector editor out there pales in comparison to it.
I think most studios realize they need PS and Illustrator to do their thing. And since they're gonna be buying them anyway, they might as well get the other tools in the Creative Suite that play along well with them. As long as no one offers a good alternative to those two, Adobe will always have the visual design industry by the balls.