Photoshop? Yep, plenty of formats to interchange to other apps. Illustrator? Plenty of vector editors for PDF/EPS.
InDesign? No. Any publisher with ID files now has to pay in perpetuity to read their own documents.
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InDesign? No. Any publisher with ID files now has to pay in perpetuity to read their own documents.
That's a terrible analogy.
You can take a month off and not pay, but that means you're paying the higher "per month" price ($75) which is 50% more than buying the year up front. And it may ease the cash flow on a short term basis, but it's a fact that this will cost everyone more in the long run.
Simply put, these products will now be a bit more accessible to those that couldn't afford the up front costs before, though at a premium and with nothing to retain in the end.
Let's stop moaning folks.....
Adobe have done this for, what they see, as good financial and strategic reasons.
So the simple way to show them the error of this strategy is to hit the financials.
Just don't buy it and actively support each other is unlocking and seeking out alternatives. When the studio contracts don't get renewed and the schools don't upgrade, then they listen.
Big companies have cloth ears and don't have to listen but they don't have deep pockets and rely on revenue to stay in business. So if they don't want to listen to concerns of the customers then let them listen to the silence on the tills in their shops virtual or otherwise. Simply don't buy it.
Adobe have done this for, what they see, as good financial and strategic reasons.
So the simple way to show them the error of this strategy is to hit the financials.
Just don't buy it and actively support each other is unlocking and seeking out alternatives. When the studio contracts don't get renewed and the schools don't upgrade, then they listen.
Big companies have cloth ears and don't have to listen but they don't have deep pockets and rely on revenue to stay in business. So if they don't want to listen to concerns of the customers then let them listen to the silence on the tills in their shops virtual or otherwise. Simply don't buy it.
Adobe have done this for, what they see, as good financial and strategic reasons.
So the simple way to show them the error of this strategy is to hit the financials.
Just don't buy it and actively support each other is unlocking and seeking out alternatives. When the studio contracts don't get renewed and the schools don't upgrade, then they listen.
Big companies have cloth ears and don't have to listen but they don't have deep pockets and rely on revenue to stay in business. So if they don't want to listen to concerns of the customers then let them listen to the silence on the tills in their shops virtual or otherwise. Simply don't buy it.
Big truth.
History is repeated after all.
It reminds me of the early days of internet, when some newspapers tried to lock their websites and charge money for access.
Their visits dropped from millions (of free visitors) to just a few thousands of paid subscribers. Of course, they did see that this business model was a disaster for them.
Their arrogance will destroy them.
They think that because of having good software and almost a monopoly, that they can f@@ the market.
They can see nokia and other companies what was like in the past, and what is today...
I guess only a fraction of current users will follow them.
Shame on them.
They think that because of having good software and almost a monopoly, that they can f@@ the market.
They can see nokia and other companies what was like in the past, and what is today...
I guess only a fraction of current users will follow them.
Shame on them.
Goodbye Adobe.
I think Adobe made a big mistake. I'm not sure what they were thinking.
I'm a part-time graphic designer. It is more like a hobby than anything else. I only use 4-5 Adobe softwares. Paying $360-$600 per year is just insane
Maybe it'll work for big graphic design businesses, but it won't work for individuals, artists, who just enjoys graphic design for their own pleasure.
This is really sad to me. I guess I'll have to explore new softwares, which might be a good thing.
I think Adobe made a big mistake. I'm not sure what they were thinking.
I'm a part-time graphic designer. It is more like a hobby than anything else. I only use 4-5 Adobe softwares. Paying $360-$600 per year is just insane
Maybe it'll work for big graphic design businesses, but it won't work for individuals, artists, who just enjoys graphic design for their own pleasure.
This is really sad to me. I guess I'll have to explore new softwares, which might be a good thing.
In other words: "We have you by the **** and there's nothing you can do about it. Allow me to explain why the CC will be great (for us)!"
That's not the point. Of course you'll be able to store them locally and have them in your possession. But you won't be able to open the files. What's the point of having the files if you can't use them or open them?
I'm not a Creative Cloud member, but I still have my CS6 discs. As time goes on access to previous versions will go away and CS6 will be completely phased out leaving still stuck with the CC.
Pathetic.
See above. It's not about being able to have them stored locally, it's about to even being allowed to open the files. No CC apps, then you can't open CC generated files.
If Adobe doesn't change something, I think this might be a shake up of the industry. I'm really hoping alternatives become more mainstream and Adobe's looses it's monopoly (read: power).
Adobe, I know you like money and think you can pull a fast one. But you're not fooling anyone. This might be your Epic Fail.
Agree with this. Big companies probably won't care. But for smaller companies and individuals, etc. whether it's a hobby or professional, I don't think they'll buy into this model.
Hey Adobe, are you listening?
Clearly this is not a favorable business model from the users' perspective, just in the posts on this site. While this might prove to be an excellent model for design organizations that invest in keeping the software up-to-date, the individual users, along with small companies like mine whose primary focus is NOT design (we manufacture), this is actually a more expensive model. When you consider some of the competition out there, it may not be as appealing as the grand-standard of Adobe products, but it will start looking a lot more appealing. I understand Adobe"s (and other software makers') concerns over piracy, but why is the approach ALWAYS to make it more difficult on the loyal, paying customers?! The problem that Adobe has with piracy is because their software is so expensive. Even this cloud option might be one (but not the only) answer, but not at $50 a month. That's like a utility bill! This just doesn't weigh out for me. May need to start learning Corel or some of the others a bit better!
Clearly this is not a favorable business model from the users' perspective, just in the posts on this site. While this might prove to be an excellent model for design organizations that invest in keeping the software up-to-date, the individual users, along with small companies like mine whose primary focus is NOT design (we manufacture), this is actually a more expensive model. When you consider some of the competition out there, it may not be as appealing as the grand-standard of Adobe products, but it will start looking a lot more appealing. I understand Adobe"s (and other software makers') concerns over piracy, but why is the approach ALWAYS to make it more difficult on the loyal, paying customers?!
The problem that Adobe has with piracy is because their software is so expensive. Even this cloud option might be one (but not the only) answer, but not at $50 a month. That's like a utility bill! This just doesn't weigh out for me. May need to start learning Corel or some of the others a bit better!
I've been considering some Adobe products, and have been running into a persistent problem. Now with this change to Creative Cloud, I'm glad that I didn't spend lots of money on the older Adobe products, but the problem remains and the answer is not forthcoming.
I'd like to know how to buy the Adobe software products in Creative Cloud without the Product Activation embedded, which requires an Internet connection and limits the use of the software. I need the software to be installed on a machine that does not have Internet access, and I need to be able to move the entire software package, preferences intact, to a new hard drive or machine at any time. Therefore, I need a version of the software that does not have any form of copy-protection, activation schemes or otherwise. I am not interested in cracking the software. It has to work out of the box, and right now it doesn't because this stupid Product Activation is in the way of the evaluation demo.
I'd like to know how to buy the Adobe software products in Creative Cloud without the Product Activation embedded, which requires an Internet connection and limits the use of the software. I need the software to be installed on a machine that does not have Internet access, and I need to be able to move the entire software package, preferences intact, to a new hard drive or machine at any time. Therefore, I need a version of the software that does not have any form of copy-protection, activation schemes or otherwise. I am not interested in cracking the software. It has to work out of the box, and right now it doesn't because this stupid Product Activation is in the way of the evaluation demo.
Ok, let's look at some groups here:
Full-time pros in good markets: You stay current on versions. CC is a great idea, it evens out the upgrade pricing, makes budgeting easier, good all around. A win.
Full-time pros in small markets: You typically skip versions, you might still be working with CS4 right now. CC becomes iffy, because it really will cost you more that what you previously spent. Purchasing a CS6 upgrade now might be a good solution, as you can keep using that as long as it runs on your OS.
Freelancers: Even tougher here, as you might be forced to subscribe if suddenly you can't open client files, and not having the option to upgrade when times are good is tough.
Photographers: You are stuck here as well, unless you use the rest of the CC package. Doing PS only is an option, but the price break isn't great, and you really only likely need the brush and clone tools in PS. Buying CS6 and staying there is a good idea, or finding other tools.
Hobbyists: Just find other tools, Adobe has now declared that you are not their market.
What it boils down to is that if you upgrade every version, CC works out OK for you, if you can use all the other software. If you skipped versions, CC is much more expensive than the previous upgrade.
Myself, I skipped from CS4 to CS5.5. I probably would have skipped again to CS7, but now I'll likely buy CS6, and stay there, for a long time.
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Buy CS6 now, or find alternatives.
Full-time pros in good markets: You stay current on versions. CC is a great idea, it evens out the upgrade pricing, makes budgeting easier, good all around. A win.
Full-time pros in small markets: You typically skip versions, you might still be working with CS4 right now. CC becomes iffy, because it really will cost you more that what you previously spent. Purchasing a CS6 upgrade now might be a good solution, as you can keep using that as long as it runs on your OS.
Freelancers: Even tougher here, as you might be forced to subscribe if suddenly you can't open client files, and not having the option to upgrade when times are good is tough.
Photographers: You are stuck here as well, unless you use the rest of the CC package. Doing PS only is an option, but the price break isn't great, and you really only likely need the brush and clone tools in PS. Buying CS6 and staying there is a good idea, or finding other tools.
Hobbyists: Just find other tools, Adobe has now declared that you are not their market.
What it boils down to is that if you upgrade every version, CC works out OK for you, if you can use all the other software. If you skipped versions, CC is much more expensive than the previous upgrade.
Myself, I skipped from CS4 to CS5.5. I probably would have skipped again to CS7, but now I'll likely buy CS6, and stay there, for a long time.
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Buy CS6 now, or find alternatives.
Hobbyists, specially those just starting out and experimenting, will probably do the same things they always have: pirate the hell out of it.
I don't think Adobe minds that end of the market using PS or whatever. They're never likely to buy any of their stuff anyway, so it's not like they're losing a sale to them at all. They just won't go out of their way to enable them at all.
Actually abusive and moronic decisions such as this one by Adobe may be the main legitimizers of an act of software piracy, particularly in regard to dominant market players - think of it as civil disobedience applied to computer software.
We can't afford to keep up subscriptions on multiple machines indefinitely.
We don't want files we can't open with our already-paid-for software.
We don't always have an internet connection when working. I edit images, layouts, and web pages on the plane or away from home all the time and that's some serious wifi bandwidth, even as that improves. Slow hotel connection? Sorry, you can't use Adobe's apps.
We upgrade every few years when we can afford to. This forces us to keep paying and paying. That means we're going to need other options for most/all machines.
Yep, we're hoping someone will compete in ways that are actually valid, in ways that can open and save previous Adobe format files.
Adobe, you already overcharge and this has made a lot of us really mad. You've lost the goodwill.
We don't want files we can't open with our already-paid-for software.
We don't always have an internet connection when working. I edit images, layouts, and web pages on the plane or away from home all the time and that's some serious wifi bandwidth, even as that improves. Slow hotel connection? Sorry, you can't use Adobe's apps.
We upgrade every few years when we can afford to. This forces us to keep paying and paying. That means we're going to need other options for most/all machines.
Yep, we're hoping someone will compete in ways that are actually valid, in ways that can open and save previous Adobe format files.
Adobe, you already overcharge and this has made a lot of us really mad. You've lost the goodwill.
Thanks but those are all full version software not upgrades. I already checked that link.
Update: Sorry, I was wrong. You have to click the buy button first and then select full or upgrade. It's kind of hidden. I already bought a boxed version online though. Oh well, I'll have a DVD coming in the mail.
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Always-on DRM doesn't even put a dent in piracy. It only emboldens pirates to crack it and pisses off legitimate customers.
Nothing really has changed. The apps are downloaded and stored/used locally. Think the Apple App Store. The only time you'd need an Internet connection is when it phones home to see if you paid Adobe it's "ransom."
On second thought...
I'm not spending ANY money on software unless it's dual Mac/PC, which the CS6 upgrades aren't, until we find out what, if anything, Apple is going to do with the MacPro line.
At some point I'll give up and buy a modern PC to replace my 6-year-old MacPro, and assess my software options at that point, unless Apple does something soon.
If we don't see anything by Apple by a month or so after WWDC, the writing is pretty much on the wall for the expandable desktop. That might effect our software moves even more that this Adobe mess.
I'm not spending ANY money on software unless it's dual Mac/PC, which the CS6 upgrades aren't, until we find out what, if anything, Apple is going to do with the MacPro line.
At some point I'll give up and buy a modern PC to replace my 6-year-old MacPro, and assess my software options at that point, unless Apple does something soon.
If we don't see anything by Apple by a month or so after WWDC, the writing is pretty much on the wall for the expandable desktop. That might effect our software moves even more that this Adobe mess.
It kind of reminds me of Microsoft...
It's a shame that Photoshop from over 10 years ago still wipes the floor of the Gimp today. Sadly, that is why free software will never ever compete with commercial software of any caliber what-so-ever and it's why Adobe thinks they can do anything they like. Apple had a chance here and with their other professional software (Logic, Final Cut, etc.), but they seem more interested in cell phones and toy devices than professional anything these days. From just the money they've lost with their stock dropping in the past year they could have financed an ARMY of professional Macintosh software, but instead of juicing the economy with a load of professional programming jobs and high quality software that could trounce the rest of the industry, they worried about a "flat paint makeover" of the iOS operating system instead and pulled ALL their programmers to do THAT instead.
Sorry, but Adobe probably DESERVES your money even so because despite this stupid move they aren't even 1/4 as stupid as Apple and god so ugly Windows8's Microsoft, both of whom are fixated on trying to capture the next "hip" thing (like a McDonalds commercial, another company that has been steadily losing mainstream market share in recent years and has been reduced to gimmicks and dollar menus as they play on "hip" and "now" instead of their core market of BURGERS). At least Adobe is still working on Photoshop. Apple has long since stopped working on professional caliber computers and software and is now a toy company. Microsoft has deviated into trying to make Ballmer look like a bald hipster at any cost and despite firing the guy behind Windows8's interface, they keep pushing it anyway instead of doing something about it. No, Adobe is just trying to cash in on something while they still can. They won't go back to Creative Suite, though. They'll just lower the price or call it something else. No company admits wrongdoing unless they're Mountain Dew....
the stupid thing about this is that it has nothing to do with providing a better product to the users.
It's all about moving to a "cloud" based subscription model.
Which is alright for businesses, in many cases it may be cheaper to "rent" a seat for a project, than buy the full version.
Still, I'd rather Adobe had preserved the choice to go either way.
Nice knowing you Adobe.
It's all about moving to a "cloud" based subscription model.
Which is alright for businesses, in many cases it may be cheaper to "rent" a seat for a project, than buy the full version.
Still, I'd rather Adobe had preserved the choice to go either way.
Nice knowing you Adobe.
I'm on CS6 at the moment and would have no problem staying on CS6 for the foreseeable future. However, the upcoming inclusion of a version of Cimea4d in the next version of AfterEffects may make me explore the change... as much as I hate the idea of renting my software. But I don't like streaming movies, or buying them from the iTunes. I'd much rather own the physical media and convert it for my uses. I like to own my software... not rent it.
And I think automobiles are way too expensive so I guess I should just go steal one right? Don't get me started on movies or cable tv! I mean I know ad dollars pay for the programs I watch but I don't want to contribute to the people who actually make the things I "buy"
Maybe if the bellyaching and complaining keeps up they will reverse the decision. I'll tell myself this in order to stomach all the whining. Go team.
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See this is a reasonable argument folks. I also agree with you about owning the software but sadly until there's a real competitor them's the breaks.