Wow. For a "21 year veteran" you really know how this works, don't you? Pathetic. The software runs as usually from your computer. The subscription is a tax deduction and cheap as hell for anyone using the software for his life income.
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Adobe Announces New Creative Cloud Apps, Abandons Creative Suite
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Wow. For a "21 year veteran" you really know how this works, don't you? Pathetic. The software runs as usually from your computer. The subscription is a tax deduction and cheap as hell for anyone using the software for his life income.
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At first, I was as dumb founded as many people on here. But then I got to thinking about it more. How many people use web based apps like Base Camp, Freshbooks, etc... If you are like me and use 2 maybe 3 of these apps, then you are already paying the same amount for these very simple apps (apps. $50/mo.) as the full suite of Adobe products.
I think many smaller companies and freelancers are upset because they have always used pirated copies and now they have to pay up.
What I personally would like to see is Apple take them on. I like their apps. They have the best shot at doing it right now because they can afford to sell the software at a cheaper price and make up that cash on hardware. That's been their business model. Although I think they can use a re-organization in their application departments. iWork hasn't seen an upgrade since 2009 I believe and Final Cut Pro X didn't fare too well.
Would love to see Apple roll out 3 products: A Vector App, Image editing App, and a layout and publishing app. That would be a great start! Then they should fine tune their existing apps so they all play nicely together
At first, I was as dumb founded as many people on here. But then I got to thinking about it more. How many people use web based apps like Base Camp, Freshbooks, etc... If you are like me and use 2 maybe 3 of these apps, then you are already paying the same amount for these very simple apps (apps. $50/mo.) as the full suite of Adobe products.
I think many smaller companies and freelancers are upset because they have always used pirated copies and now they have to pay up.
What I personally would like to see is Apple take them on. I like their apps. They have the best shot at doing it right now because they can afford to sell the software at a cheaper price and make up that cash on hardware. That's been their business model. Although I think they can use a re-organization in their application departments. iWork hasn't seen an upgrade since 2009 I believe and Final Cut Pro X didn't fare too well.
Would love to see Apple roll out 3 products: A Vector App, Image editing App, and a layout and publishing app. That would be a great start! Then they should fine tune their existing apps so they all play nicely together
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YES! How many of us NEED to get the next upgrade to Photoshop (the hypothetical CS7?) Can you work well with CS6? or 5? or 4? or 3? I do lots of freelance contracts with Photoshop CS3 at home and I draw and paint with CS6 at work all day long, and honestly, except for a handful of small changes which are pretty mild, I can barely tell the difference. I haven't really needed to buy the newer versions of Photoshop because the older ones are honestly really solid already. (And with some things like Flash, the older versions are actually sometimes even better.)
Look at it from Adobe's perspective- how in the heck are they going to motivate people to buy cs7? or cs8? or five years from now, cs Whatever? Do you absolutely NEED to buy the next Photoshop, or can you work pretty well with cs6? That is far more frightening to management at Adobe than anything. If most of your customers don't need or even really want to buy your upgrades, and they own perpetual licenses of older software that is pretty competent and fully functional, your SOL for new software sales in only a few years from now. The only real reason for an upgrade would be a significant OS evolution that would render it incompatible. That's gotta be pretty scary for them. They can spin it all day long about how this enables them to really "innovate", but in reality its exactly the opposite. They DON'T have to do much innovation anymore because we all are required to lease the software FOREVER anyway. With their new lease system, they don't need to come up with innovation to motivate sales. Its already built-in.
I see this like Apple's changes to iTunes- They can sell you your favorite song for 99 cents and never make another penny off of you for the rest of your life, or they can put it all in the Cloud, and make you pay them a continual stream of money forever just to gain access to it. Sound familiar?
Programs still on website....for now.
I was looking at the adobe website the other day and having a live chat with one of their sales reps. They told me you could no longer buy the programs, and even though I only wanted Acrobat, he said I had to go to the cloud service. When I said they were still for sale on the web, he said not any more.....well they were. So I swooped in and bought before having to subscribe to the cloud system, which he informed me would be annually reviewed in terms of price as well! So it looks like I have made my first and last adobe purchase. Even as a student they want £200 a year for their software subscription, which as I pointed out could be purchased 'forever' at the moment for £74! Hardly a great and cost effective service!
I was looking at the adobe website the other day and having a live chat with one of their sales reps. They told me you could no longer buy the programs, and even though I only wanted Acrobat, he said I had to go to the cloud service. When I said they were still for sale on the web, he said not any more.....well they were. So I swooped in and bought before having to subscribe to the cloud system, which he informed me would be annually reviewed in terms of price as well! So it looks like I have made my first and last adobe purchase. Even as a student they want £200 a year for their software subscription, which as I pointed out could be purchased 'forever' at the moment for £74! Hardly a great and cost effective service!
A somewhat sloppy fix for this would be to just NOP the entire update code. The program WOULD function without the "vital" update as obviously all the code has to be on the machine for it to work. So you get all the code, NOP the updater, patch license checkers and other things, and redistribute it.
If you don't know what NOP means, it's an Intel x86 assembly instruction that means No Operation. Basically, do nothing. So by replacing some code you don't like with this, you get rid of that code while keeping the program intact.
Of course, that doesn't account for the possibility that the updater has to flip a switch, so to speak, for the rest of the program to execute. In which case getting rid of the updater code will break the program. The neater and less sloppy fix for this is to reverse the proper conditional checks so that they return true if they should be false or false if they should be true.
Basically for those who don't know, this is tricking the program into thinking the right thing happened when in reality it didn't.
Furthermore, Adobe could even go to the length of encrypting their code and having it decrypt just before being loaded into memory and executed. Although, this technique of "code masking" by encryption is typically used by malware, and this of course would likely cause some, if not most, anti-virus programs to block it.
Even if they did do that, the code has to be plain, unencrypted assembly instructions in memory to be executed. Someone with enough time could do a memory dump and piece together the different parts until they have a full working program.
So ultimately, no matter what Adobe, or any software developer for that matter, decides to do to combat piracy, nothing is bulletproof. If code runs on your computer, you have the ability to modify that code. And as long as you have that ability, you can always patch checks and redistribute a cracked program.
I own much more software then you may think off. BUT, I CAN USE IT WHENVER I WANT/NEED. I don't NEED to pay every time i need to use the software. Capisci? And where did you come up with this 3500$ pricing????? Adobe standard it's 1299$ and Adobe premium design and web it's 1899$. Where the heck you come out with this prices from? I pay 1299$ and I OWN THE FREAKING SOFTWARE SO I CAN OPEN MY FREAKING FILES WHENVER I FREAKING WANT. Now i pay 600$/year BUT AT THE END OF THE YEAR I DON' OWN ANYTHING SO I NEED TO KEEP PAYING FOR AS LONG I WANT TO MAKE A LEAVING OUT OFF IT. It may be ok with you but i only upgrade once of few years, so it's not ok for my business. I CAN BET WHATEVER YOU FOLKS WANT THAT VERY SOON THE NEXT ADOBE CC WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAVE TO CS6 SO WE ARE ALL FORCED TO RENT THE SOFTWARE. If you pay for CS1 and then CS5, you have payd 2500 in 7 years. With CC you have payd in the exact same time at least 4300$ AND YOU DON'T OWAN ANY OFF THE SOFTWARE SO YOU CAN'T OPEN YOUR PROJECT FILES WITHOUT KEEP PAYING. This is basic just renting the software. i don't know what type of troll are you, but i like to own the things i pay for with my hard earned money.
I own much more software then you may think off. BUT, I CAN USE IT WHENVER I WANT/NEED. I don't NEED to pay every time i need to use the software. Capisci? And where did you come up with this 3500$ pricing????? Adobe standard it's 1299$ and Adobe premium design and web it's 1899$. Where the heck you come out with this prices from? I pay 1299$ and I OWN THE FREAKING SOFTWARE SO I CAN OPEN MY FREAKING FILES WHENVER I FREAKING WANT. Now i pay 600$/year BUT AT THE END OF THE YEAR I DON' OWN ANYTHING SO I NEED TO KEEP PAYING FOR AS LONG I WANT TO MAKE A LEAVING OUT OFF IT. It may be ok with you but i only upgrade once of few years, so it's not ok for my business. I CAN BET WHATEVER YOU FOLKS WANT THAT VERY SOON THE NEXT ADOBE CC WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAVE TO CS6 SO WE ARE ALL FORCED TO RENT THE SOFTWARE. If you pay for CS1 and then CS5, you have payd 2500 in 7 years. With CC you have payd in the exact same time at least 4300$ AND YOU DON'T OWAN ANY OFF THE SOFTWARE SO YOU CAN'T OPEN YOUR PROJECT FILES WITHOUT KEEP PAYING. This is basic just renting the software. i don't know what type of troll are you, but i like to own the things i pay for with my hard earned money.
So it's a really good deal for folks who don't know how to calculate
but not for the rest of us.
I agree totally, except the last bit, Apple has not stopped selling songs and you are not required to sign up for icloud. Yet.
Gutted by this. I've recently been awarded a grant to buy the student edition of one of the smaller suites but am still awaiting the funds. I'm hoping I get them before Amazon remove their listings for CS6 as I have to provide receipts etc.
For people making money off of Adobe's products this looks like a great option but for students and non profit guys who only have a limited budget and/or get one off grants to cover software purchases, this is awful. I guess Adobe just expects casual users to pirate their stuff instead, which will remain as easy as it is now.
For people making money off of Adobe's products this looks like a great option but for students and non profit guys who only have a limited budget and/or get one off grants to cover software purchases, this is awful. I guess Adobe just expects casual users to pirate their stuff instead, which will remain as easy as it is now.
It's the guys that use it once every month or two for a job that are likely to move on, but if they upgraded every third version or so, it's unlikely that they represented a high priority. Personally I just waited out really buggy releases.
That would be why I'm just not going to worry about it for the moment. A lot of the guys on here sound like they either do at least some amount of freelance work or at least own a personal copy. I suspect the majority of Adobe's operating income is generated by offices rather than individual users. What I find odd is that it quotes a higher rate for teams. I wonder if those kinds of shops will have floating license options, so that they can simultaneously cover however many seats. I'm sure this is going to shake out to some degree. They may already have a backup plan in case of overall negative reaction.
Them be fightin' words
! I'm kidding. Blender has taken some amazing strides, but I hope the Cycles renderer stabilizes and they do something to give the viewport better depth. I actually like the way so many things are assigned to hotkeys. Marking menus are annoying. GIMP isn't as horrible as you suggest. The brushes aren't as good. Photoshop improved those considerably with CS6. Curved strokes no longer gain occasional flat spots due to poor sampling, and they reworked pressure sensitivity with graphics tablets. Photoshop handles large files and brushes with much less choppiness. If this was someone that worked on a quarterly newsletter or something like that, they might move on.
Relax dude, plenty of people thought the software was going to be cloud based.
Not really, all seems great...
Yes it's great for temps who come in to help.
But...
People are forgetting the critical thing, stop the subscription = software stops working = you can't open your CC files anymore (AFAIK). If that doesn't bother you for whatever reason, and you've always upgraded, then great do the CC. But I think most people don't want to have to pay to be able to open their files in the future if need be.
And as it's been said before, what is Adobe raises the prices? $50/$600 per year could go to, I dunno, $80/$960 per year or more as time goes on. Heck Adobe could more restrictions on usage or something.
Does anyone know if you have to pay PER computer also? So if you have a desktop and laptop it's $50 per month x2?
BTW, a single app membership is not really $19.99 per month as many on here have quoted, because you cant just buy it for a month. It requires an annual subscription. So its more like $240.00 per year, which is what it really is going to cost, even if you cancel it a month later.
Yes, it says $19.99 but when you click "JOIN" the next page actually says that price requires an annual commitment. Single apps with no contract are actually $29.99 per month.
Yes, it says $19.99 but when you click "JOIN" the next page actually says that price requires an annual commitment. Single apps with no contract are actually $29.99 per month.
Adobe are actually looking very vulnerable at the moment. Photoshop is their only trump card. Flash and Dreamweaver don't really interest many people anymore and Final Cut is back on form again in the video market. This is the moment for someone like Apple, OnOne or Google/Nik to produce a Photoshop beating piece of software.
A new app that includes vector editing to combine Photoshop and Illustrator functionality and be more user friendly than either would be perfect. Then all Apple would need to work on is a DTP app based on Pages but with the full functionality of InDesign...
A new app that includes vector editing to combine Photoshop and Illustrator functionality and be more user friendly than either would be perfect. Then all Apple would need to work on is a DTP app based on Pages but with the full functionality of InDesign...
Are you serious? There have already been new features added to the cloud programs. Just because it is not a big CS7 or CS8 release does not mean they will not maintain their software. They are right, they can focus on releasing things quicker and not having to wait for the CSX release date. Once a feature is done and tested, they can push it out to the cloud. No more waiting for CS 7 for feature X.
So yes, they are already maintaining their software. I believe Dreamweaver and InDesign already got some new features.
And yes, people I know that did not buy the adobe suite (as in they pirated it) are now buying a subscription. You cannot deny this. It is much more reasonable to pay a small amount per month than it is to fork over $2,599 at this very second. Think about that will you? Why are car leases popular?
I WISH 3DS Max would do this. Does anybody know if they do? See here is a situation where a lot of people are in. I would much rather prefer to pay Autodesk even $100 a month for access to 3ds Max. There is no way in hell I will fork over $3,675 for that program.
Total Incompatibility
Watch for a total lack of compatibility between the cloud suite and CS6 and older versions.
Watch for a total lack of compatibility between the cloud suite and CS6 and older versions.
Please, everybody, vote with your wallet
Why would I buy CS7? Personally, CS6 will serve me fine until there is no support in OSX. Will probably work in 10.9, so it should not be a problem for the next few years. Will advice my employer to do the same and upgrade one licence at the very most (and yes, they usually do listen). If I really, really a need a new feature, I might rent it for a month. Saved money will be spent to broaden my horizon (keep in touch with aperture beside lightroom, increase functionality like sharpening etc with plugins).
In the meantime, Ill work on an Adobe-free workflow. This means no offers based on new Adobe features, 3rd-Party only if they support alternatives or standalones. After 2-3 years Ill evaluate my needs and possibilities again.
Apple, if now is not the time for a new mac pro and a seriously brushed up aperture
Please, everybody, vote with your wallet and dont buy into this unless and before you absolutely have to. Its not like the registration will take a long time in case you need it urgently. If you dont, this will soon be all over the place, for every app you can think of, price hikes guaranteed.
Why would I buy CS7? Personally, CS6 will serve me fine until there is no support in OSX. Will probably work in 10.9, so it should not be a problem for the next few years. Will advice my employer to do the same and upgrade one licence at the very most (and yes, they usually do listen). If I really, really a need a new feature, I might rent it for a month. Saved money will be spent to broaden my horizon (keep in touch with aperture beside lightroom, increase functionality like sharpening etc with plugins).
In the meantime, Ill work on an Adobe-free workflow. This means no offers based on new Adobe features, 3rd-Party only if they support alternatives or standalones. After 2-3 years Ill evaluate my needs and possibilities again.
Apple, if now is not the time for a new mac pro and a seriously brushed up aperture
Please, everybody, vote with your wallet and dont buy into this unless and before you absolutely have to. Its not like the registration will take a long time in case you need it urgently. If you dont, this will soon be all over the place, for every app you can think of, price hikes guaranteed.
Well, Photoshop CS4 still works fine in 10.8. I know because I have it installed along with upgrades of CS5 and CS6. I also know some people who still use Photoshop CS2 intensively on Windows 7 64bit with no issues.
I know you're not referring to a comment I made, but I want to know why you think that.
There's quite a number of games going this route, you always have to be online to play even single player.
I know some other games that soon as you lose connection it throws you back to the main menu. Lot's of programs are going this way.
Well, yes, Adobe do have a per-application monthly fee, but consider this. I don't know how old you are, but let's say you are in your 30's. People live into their 80's and 90's? If all your photos are in Photoshop format, you're going to have to pay a monthly fee for the rest of your life in order to open them with Adobe software.
These monstrous costs might be fine for people who are working, particularly if you can tax deduct the cost - but this monthly fee is for the rest of your life.
Even taxes stop once you stop working - but this Adobe monthly fee is till you die ... if you want to access your lifetime of photos.
I'm getting out of Photoshop. And even though Adobe say that Lightroom won't be subscription, you can see tell where the cunning bunch are heading, with their hints that Lightroom will have more features in the CC version, i.e. not in the single licence version.
Dude, clearly you need to look up how iTunes in the Cloud and iTunes Match work. It's not like rdio/Pandora/Lastfm/Spotify where you pay to stream, and lose access once you stop paying.
If you buy through iTunes, you get iTunes in the Cloud for free, forever. It's just a list of the things you bought before, that you can download again if you ever lose a harddrive/iPod/computer.
If you bought via a CD or other sources, then iTunes Match will give you a high quality version of the same track. Of course, iTunes Match you pay for, but you still get to keep all your files even when you don't pay for it.