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Adobe Announces New Creative Cloud Apps, Abandons Creative Suite
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I get what you are saying but I don't think you get what I'm saying. I approach editing as a life long pursuit. The day I say, "Well, I'm good enough. There's nothing else for me to learn" is the day I die as a creative individual. If I win the lottery tomorrow I'm still going to edit (I'll just have a nicer cutting room!). I don't want my skill set to just be good enough to do the bare minium I need to make it though. I want my skill set to continuously expand so I can do things tomorrow that I couldn't due today. Editing, storytelling, is my passion and I'm lucky enough that it also enables me to make a living.
And amazingly enough I still make time to read, go on vacations, hang out w/friends and family, etc.,. Some people work for the weekend and I get that. It's just not for me though.
Enjoy whatever new features Adobe deigns to deliver on this latest update, because that's all folks!
With CC, Adobe will have a captive audience and no significant competition. So they can fire most of their programmers, with the few who remain concentrating on bug fixes and minor tweaks to keep up with new OS releases from Apple and Microsoft. All while pocketing the money for a major upgrade from ALL CC users every year forever and ever, amen.
It's how Adobe's done business in the past. When graced with a similar situation (killing FreeHand, Adobe Illustrator's only serious competitor), Adobe stopped improving AI, merely adding cosmetic changes to make it even more bloated.
With CC, Adobe will have a captive audience and no significant competition. So they can fire most of their programmers, with the few who remain concentrating on bug fixes and minor tweaks to keep up with new OS releases from Apple and Microsoft. All while pocketing the money for a major upgrade from ALL CC users every year forever and ever, amen.
It's how Adobe's done business in the past. When graced with a similar situation (killing FreeHand, Adobe Illustrator's only serious competitor), Adobe stopped improving AI, merely adding cosmetic changes to make it even more bloated.
You're looking to QUARK for relief? Wow, that's seriously optimistic. I think we'd be better off hoping that Apple creates a Photoshop killer.
Well according to this poll you are in the minority. Only 4.2% out of 5742 said it could work for them.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/0...plaints-Poll-of-Photographers-Photoshop-users
I always said that if I ever had a son I was gong to name him Adobe or Thomas after Thomas Knoll. I thought that much of what Photoshop did for me personally.
Understood. I kinda see your point about a bed not making you money.
Okay, with that logic I should be renting my camera, mini van, camera cards, etc.
Why is there even a need for a lease only? Is it for all of our benefits? Am I just too dumb to realize that Adobe is doing this to help me? Is this lease only thing best for my company too? I obviously have no choice and I hope that I am just naive about this. Maybe I will be thanking them for the forced lease a year from now.
Here's the problem. When the economy dipped I lost most of my clients to bankruptcy, or they just didn't have any budget for advertising. Then when I thought I was surviving I got sued by the court appointed trustees to return 16K that I had been paid in the 3 months prior to my biggest client going bankrupt! After that settlement I couldn't afford the water bill. Had I been leasing my software and equipment I would have been in real trouble. Fortunately I owned it and could still take jobs when they came along in rarity. I just don't see security in leasing.
Okay, Okay. So if I don't like it I can use something else right? No! That is why Adobe was able to do this! If there was something, according to everyone I know, they would be jumping ship. If there was an equal competitor Adobe would be in serious trouble right now, judging by all the comments I've seen. That's how they are able to do this.
You said that your company "deemed" that renting was better. What if "deeming" anything is out of the question? What if renting is not the best option for many people?
What is the economy going to do next year? Or the year after that? No one knows. Kyle Bass says it's going to go bad again at some point in the future. He's the guy that mad a killing on the downturn because he is incredibly wise to the market.
And what about spending money when the budget is there and holding back when it's not? You are fortunate if your budget is rock solid from month to month. Unfortunately most free lancers and businesses fluctuate with season. Being forced to pay indefinitely for a crucial tool just doesn't sound good to some of us. I would fork out more than the subscription rate just for the piece of mind of owning. I am not cheap and I have made boat loads of money with photoshop. I just want ownership. I honestly would have been bummed if the price doubled, but not as upset as I am with lease only. I can justify spending big money on a tool like photoshop. My Phase One system was way more money, But I had a choice of buying. I just can't justify a forced lease on anything. It just seems like dirty business practices. But maybe I should be thanking Adobe? If it helps me more than the buying option then I will be thankful. I do know it's not helping my wallet or security. Will it help my workflow? New features were added to the ownership versions prior to this. I'm not interested in anything cloud related. So I will get new features faster? Is that the only benefit to leasing?
Love or hate the new forced leasing, please vote in this poll at DP Review. It will not be a waste as DP Review seems to be in contact with Adobe.
I am also posting a second link to: Photoshop CC: Adobe Responds to reaction. It is a DP Review interview with Adobe VP of Creative Solutions, Winston Hendrickson and Bryan O'Neill Hughes, Senior Product Manager for Photoshop regarding the backlash.
If you like the lease only option you better get to voting because currently only 4.3% out of 5752 people think it could work for them!
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/0...plaints-Poll-of-Photographers-Photoshop-users
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05/08/Adobe-photoshop-cc
I am also posting a second link to: Photoshop CC: Adobe Responds to reaction. It is a DP Review interview with Adobe VP of Creative Solutions, Winston Hendrickson and Bryan O'Neill Hughes, Senior Product Manager for Photoshop regarding the backlash.
If you like the lease only option you better get to voting because currently only 4.3% out of 5752 people think it could work for them!
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/0...plaints-Poll-of-Photographers-Photoshop-users
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05/08/Adobe-photoshop-cc
And any unscientific poll taken from an editing site after Apple launched FCPX and stopped selling FCP7 probably showed similar numbers.
But besides that I think the poll is inherently flawed as all of those things concern me (except for occasionally connecting to the internet) and I also think Adobe CC might work for me.Everyone needs to make their own decisions based on their own circumstances. I'm not advocating CC. I'm just pointing out misinformation when I see it and trying to get people to step back from the ledge because the sky is not falling.
Of course being an editor that worked many years primarily on FCP7 my world got turned upside down a couple of years ago so maybe that experience is keeping me grounded this time around.
That's exactly WHY I will never commit to CC! Because it is a lifelong financial burden!
A commitment you'll have to come up with, for example even when you are old and riddled with cancer, while having to pay high-priced meds just to keep you alive. You might then still have enough strength to finish your final masterpiece, but what if you can no longer afford using your tools?
CC might look attractive during times of prosperity and sunshine, but it is a insanely bad idea during rainy days like economical depressions, sickness, disabilities or other serious business setbacks.
No one, not even the rich can protect themselves from these kinds of financial disasters!
I don't know where some of you people get your naive economical optimism from.
Are you so blindly absorbed with your gizmos and gadgets, that you don't even realize that we are currently living in a global money system on the brink of collapsing, which is barely kept alive by creating new money out of thin air and creative bookkeeping???
Like I said before, I don't expect this system to still be working in 10 years. And I consider myself not a pessimist at all just a plain realist who can put the dots together...
And? How much foot has FXPX gained since then with video professionals?And any unscientific poll taken from an editing site after Apple launched FCPX and stopped selling FCP7 probably showed similar numbers.
Said poll still looks very accurate today. FCPX is only a decent success among consumers but still considered "not ready yet" among pros.
Luckily I only make money from video work part-time. I was tempted to switch to Premiere, but oh boy am I glad I never took this step!
It would feel like being screwed over not once but twice!!!
I'm less concerned about the video part of my creative endeavors, because there are alternatives. In 2 or 3 years FCPX might even return to its previous glory.
But InDesign, Photoshop and Illustrator are more serious problems.
How I miss the days when Adobe still felt the hot breath of good ol' Macromedia on their neck...
50% More, But Still Worth It.
At first I was pretty upset about the Adobe development, especially since I only use PS, AI and ID at my company. I added up the costs and figured out that I would be paying 50% more per year than I did for the previous 6 years with upgrades. 120% more if they end up charging me for the additional workstation we have.
However, when I think about it, it's still dirt cheap. If I were to hire someone to do occasional design work for my company, I would pay well over $20,000 per year and it probably wouldn't be as good as I can do, nor would it be done on my schedule. In fact, the cost of outsourcing a single brochure would be as much as 2 years with a full price subscription.
The other added benefit? Gone are the days when I have to beg my management team to upgrade once a year. Now that upgrading is obsolete I can focus more on the work its self. In three years time all of my colleagues will be on the cloud as well meaning that discrepancies between versions will be a thing of the past. From what I hear, because it is now a service instead of a product, it can be written off much easier as a business expense. As a monthly payment it will also fit better with our cash flow.
The only people that this change really hurts are hobbyists and those who only use Photoshop occasionally for personal photos (thus the DP Review poll results). Basically anyone not making a living with the software. Had this scheme been around when I was a kid I never would have started working with Adobe software. That could be a much bigger problem for Adobe 10 years from now when the next crop of designers come up the ranks.
At first I was pretty upset about the Adobe development, especially since I only use PS, AI and ID at my company. I added up the costs and figured out that I would be paying 50% more per year than I did for the previous 6 years with upgrades. 120% more if they end up charging me for the additional workstation we have.
However, when I think about it, it's still dirt cheap. If I were to hire someone to do occasional design work for my company, I would pay well over $20,000 per year and it probably wouldn't be as good as I can do, nor would it be done on my schedule. In fact, the cost of outsourcing a single brochure would be as much as 2 years with a full price subscription.
The other added benefit? Gone are the days when I have to beg my management team to upgrade once a year. Now that upgrading is obsolete I can focus more on the work its self. In three years time all of my colleagues will be on the cloud as well meaning that discrepancies between versions will be a thing of the past. From what I hear, because it is now a service instead of a product, it can be written off much easier as a business expense. As a monthly payment it will also fit better with our cash flow.
The only people that this change really hurts are hobbyists and those who only use Photoshop occasionally for personal photos (thus the DP Review poll results). Basically anyone not making a living with the software. Had this scheme been around when I was a kid I never would have started working with Adobe software. That could be a much bigger problem for Adobe 10 years from now when the next crop of designers come up the ranks.
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This subscription model works out cheaper for company's that have to upgrade every 12 months to be able to open all clients files. Its the more casual users that only upgrade every few versions that will not like the new cloud model due to the high price. Im sure some sort of crack will be released to bypass the phone home DRM and this new cloud based model will drive even more people to obtain Adobe software illegally.
Actually the reverse is the problem. Many people will be forced to upgrade to CC because the other organizations they deal with upgrade, when the files aren't backward compatible.
It wouldn't be a big deal if they updated CS6 to at least read/convert new PSD format files, or its basically a semi-forced move to a subscription treadmill, for everyone.
I work in prepress and we need to have the latest versions of Adobe software so we can open all clients files, the new Cloud service works well for us. The issue is going to be for people that don't upgrade often as the price is quite high.
Yep. Its mostly going to be the small indy guys that don't like or don't buy the subscription (and they also, ironically, the most likely group to torrent a pirated copy of CS or CC, if I had to guess)
The best choice for those that don't like this change is to boycott this and never upgrade to this scheme. Vote with your wallet, and be firm with your decision!
People keep saying that the app will be downloaded onto your computer and a phone home will be done occasionally...
That may be how it works now, but who says that future versions (including CS7) won't entirely be web based...
Far fetched? Not as much as you think. It allows Adobe to cut down from making a Mac and Windows version to solely making a web version.
You have to think that Adobe are doing this to cut costs and increase revenue. The quickest way to cut costs is to reduce the number of versions you produce.
That may be how it works now, but who says that future versions (including CS7) won't entirely be web based...
Far fetched? Not as much as you think. It allows Adobe to cut down from making a Mac and Windows version to solely making a web version.
You have to think that Adobe are doing this to cut costs and increase revenue. The quickest way to cut costs is to reduce the number of versions you produce.
What I dislike about this solution, is that the software isn't meant for non-professionals any more. Not that I care since I am using it professionally. But I think it's good that people can own an old photoshop to learn and for fun. Also when I get old and retired I probably want to play around in photoshop a few times a month. Which then is silly to pay a monthly subscription for. Anyway it's not a problem yet. But 10 years from now it will be.
Think about this. If Adobe's new scheme is successful with their subscriptions, other companies will obviously take notice and start implementing it also. Pretty soon, many of the programs and software that we use will only be subscription-based. We would be renting everything.
Take your stand now, and don't give in to this money grab by Adobe.
Take your stand now, and don't give in to this money grab by Adobe.