Adobe CEO Responds to Steve Jobs' 'Thoughts on Flash'

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001


    The Wall Street Journal is currently conducting an exclusive interview with Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen regarding an open letter posted earlier today by Apple CEO Steve Jobs sharing his thoughts on Adobe's Flash technology and reasons why Apple has not included support for it on iPhone OS devices. Video clips and the full interview will be available later, but the Journal is currently providing live updates of the interview in progress.

    In his opening comments, Narayen noted that Adobe believes in "open content", stressing that its Creative Suite software is designed to work on a number of different platforms and that the company remains committed to its vision that its software should be able to help people work across multiple operating systems. Narayen also noted that Adobe products, presumably referring to Flash, will be fully supported on the next version of the Android smartphone operating system, as confirmed by Google vice president Andy Rubin earlier this week.

    In addressing Jobs' claims of technology issues with Flash, Narayen called the comments "really a smokescreen" and pointed to over 100 App Store applications created using Flash. Further countering Jobs' assertions, Narayen blamed Apple's operating systems for Flash-related crashes and called Jobs' claims of Flash hampering battery life on mobile devices "patently false". In general, Narayen also claimed that Flash issues highlighted in Jobs' letter are rooted in Apple's proprietary nature that prevents Adobe from innovating as they'd like.

    Narayen again returned to his claim that Flash is an open standard, calling Jobs' claim of it being closed "amusing". Adobe's view of the world is multi-platform, allowing it to provide developers with tools to easily deploy their content across many devices and platforms, a concept that may not to Apple's benefit in trying to lock customers in to its ecosystem.

    In conclusion, Narayen noted that customers have the ultimate voice in the dispute, and he believes that multi-platform solutions like Adobe's will win out.

    Article Link: Adobe CEO Responds to Steve Jobs' 'Thoughts on Flash'
  2. Eidorian macrumors Penryn


    Mar 23, 2005
    The man on the street is never going to see this.
  3. miles01110 macrumors Core


    Jul 24, 2006
    The Ivory Tower (I'm not coming down)
    Great. Because trading barbs publicly is always the best way to go about solving a problem.
  4. ayeying macrumors 601


    Dec 5, 2007
    Yay Area, CA
    Flash makes my battery life from :) to :(

    And i'm using Adobe's newest 10.1 RC.

    However, running Flash on Windows doesn't make my battery life drop at all.

    Explain that Adobe. And no, I don't want to buy a new computer.
  5. *LTD* macrumors G4


    Feb 5, 2009
    Hey, Shantanu . . . no one's listening. Apple totally ate your lunch. Now go fix your lousy software or get off my internet.
  6. stridemat Moderator


    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2008
    The plot thickens *grabs popcorn for impending confrontation*
  7. TheNewDude macrumors 6502a

    Mar 17, 2010
    Wow, what a public mess!!

    Two CEOs of such reputable and large organizations shouldn't get going at it like elementary school kids.
  8. GeekLawyer macrumors 68020


    Jun 2, 2007
    The post is coming from inside the house!
    In a PR battle of this nature, my money goes on the guy who I've heard of before. Steve Jobs: household name. (At least in this household.) The other dude: who?
  9. Nebrie macrumors 6502a

    Jan 5, 2002
    That doesn't explain the performance of Flash on Linux where Adobe gets all the access it wants.
  10. Veri macrumors 6502a

    Sep 23, 2007
    Which is the more closed platform:
    - Flash; or
    - Cocoa + App Store?
  11. bbplayer5 macrumors 68030

    Apr 13, 2007
    If you actually read his comments, I think you will find your answer. Apple is turning into a company that no one wanted to see. They are the new M$.
  12. Eidorian macrumors Penryn


    Mar 23, 2005
    I thought it was Apple's internet.
  13. PhoneI macrumors 68000

    Mar 7, 2008
    hmm, then why does Flash also run so poorly on my Linux machine? Nah, it cant be adobe's fault.
  14. jav6454 macrumors P6


    Nov 14, 2007
    1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
    Here say, he says, I say.... This wil go on for a while.
  15. andiwm2003 macrumors 601


    Mar 29, 2004
    Boston, MA
    this exchange shows how big of a deal Flash as platform really is. Losing the dominance of Flash seems to be a big deal to Adobe so their CEO comes out for an interview right after Steve Jobs gives his interview.

    How much money does Adobe make from Flash? Could it break Adobe if Flash becomes unimportant?
  16. jviphone macrumors member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Reply from Steve Jobs:

    "Im rubber your glue.."

    - Steve Jobs
    Sent from my ipad without flash
  17. Will do good macrumors 6502a

    Will do good

    Mar 24, 2010
    Adobe. If you are so unhappy with Apple, don't play in their yard.

    Apple is fine without Flash.:eek:
  18. vant macrumors 65816

    Jul 1, 2009
    The only time my IE on Windows ever crashes is because of Flash. Maybe Microsoft should fix their OS too.
  19. JediZenMaster Suspended


    Mar 28, 2010
    Apple doesn't need Flash or adobe. It's the other way around. All apple needs to do a create its own suite of products and it won't even need CS5,etc.

    And i hope that day comes because then adobe will be Fusterclucked!
  20. m4c1nt05h macrumors member

    Jun 28, 2007
    ok this guy doesn't get it either. Yes, your adobe csX software runs on a mac and pc. great.

    but this is not the issue. we're talking about the INTERNET and what content is available on there. Flash is a closed system that, unfortunately, is a little too ubiquitous on the Internet but that does not mean it's open.

    why is everyone comparing closed Operating Systems to the Internet, which is NOT an operating system, but a network of computers that need a common, established way to communicate with each other?
  21. ct2k7 macrumors 603


    Aug 29, 2008
    Adobe, just move off the Apple platform. It will hurt initially, but at least it won't hurt in the long run.
  22. zodqyv macrumors regular

    Mar 28, 2010
    Exactly. The "other guy" is even less charismatic than Steve Ballmer.
  23. roland.g macrumors 603


    Apr 11, 2005
    "100 App Store applications created using Flash"

    That's 5 hundredths of 1 percent.
  24. Veri macrumors 6502a

    Sep 23, 2007
    If your browser crashes because of some interaction with a plugin then, yes, your browser definitely has a problem. Whether the plugin has a problem depends on whether the plugin is stable and correctly written to published API spec.
  25. GREEN4U macrumors 6502a

    Mar 24, 2010
    "Jobs [...] notes that Flash is the #1 reason Macs crash"

    Macs crash? *gulp* :eek:

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