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Adobe Could Release Flash for iPhone if Apple Approves

poorbusker said:
the only thing that apple will do that "compromises" their original idea of the iphone is they will eventually put a keyboard on it. Because apple knows that it doesn't matter how good their virtual keyboard is...business people will not seriously look at the iphone until there is a physical keyboard attached to the phone.
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I imagine with the lead market share within their grasp, they don't care too much. And honestly, if they put a physical keyboard on it I would not buy it or even contemplate it. You can't make a physical keyboard as efficient and dynamic as Apple's virtual keyboard. If business people decline such an offer of efficiency and productivity, they deserve to fail with the rest of wall-street for being complete idiots.

I want flash on the iPhone, but NOT in safari.....


I WANT IT ON FIREFOX!!! FireFox 3.0 for iPhone FTW.
 
solipsism said:
There is no reason, that i can see according to the SDK, that Adobe using the built-in WebKit, Google, MS and/or Mozilla can't make a standalone browser app that has Flash,Java and/or Silverlight built into the browser app.
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Except, remember that Apple is rejecting things for being "similar to Apple programs." So I can easily see them rejecting a browser and saying "it's just like Safari, so no."

No matter how you slice it, the whole plan would need Apple's approval and, no matter what I want, I also agree that it ain't gonna happen.
 
3G4N said:
How would they know, for sure, in advance, that the flash player wouldn't run well?
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If Mac OS X, which Adobe is much more intimately with and whose HW is vastly more powerful than the iPhone will get prollnged 100% peaking in all cores with Flash in all known versions, why should we jump to the conclusion that Aodbe will 'fix' it for the iPhone.

Why is it so unlikely?
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See above.
 
Mobile Safari does not allow plug-ins for a reason--and considering how much Flash crashes on desktops (and the heat/battery-drain/fan-blasts I observe) I'm skeptical of how good Adobe's creation will be. But I'd love it if it were a stable addition to Safari, with the blessing of both Adobe and Apple. A few sites need Flash for navigation, and some Flash games are fun!

But looking beyond the browser, what I'd REALLY like is to see Adobe release Flash tools to iPhone SDK app developers. This would not let 3rd-party apps read random Flash files (that would violate the terms, as its own separate app environment). It would let developers build Flash content INTO their apps, which would then be compiled and not use a browser at all. It would also let apps stream Flash video. And since it wouldn't add third-party bugs to the browser, I see Apple being perfectly willing to accept this.

This would allow things that are equivalent to the YouTube app, Pandora, etc.: standalone apps that provide a mobile alternative to a web site.

The one I most want: a Hulu app for watching TV.

No Flash plugin needed, no need for Apple to let Adobe mess with Safari. Just build the Flash-based functionality of hulu.com into an iPhone app, allowing it deliver the same content the site does.
 
Although I don't get 'all of the web' .. I love the fact that there's no flash in Mobile Safari, flash is:

1. Ugly (yeah, I know..that's down to the coders/designers)
2. A resource hog (imagine how quickly your battery would die)
3. A SPAM vector for unwanted ads and general net garbage

Horribly 'optimized' on OSX even after all this time..I dread the quality and speed of the code on the poor little iPhone CPU.
 
Small White Car said:
Except, remember that Apple is rejecting things for being "similar to Apple programs." So I can easily see them rejecting a browser and saying "it's just like Safari, so no."
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Podcaster is a completely different entity and rejected for very different reasons. There are plenty of App Store apps that are similar to the iPhone's default apps.
 
What was the point of this article?

All this article seems to say is that Adobe wants Flash on every web platform, blames Apple for it not being allowed on the iPhone. This is not news.

We *know* that the SDK allows developers to transgress the rules with special written permission from Apple.

We also know that Macromedia and Adobe have turned "small web files" into anything but. For every site that utilizes flash video optimization well there are ten that use it to animate their menus. It's that kind of stupidity that won't work in a standalone app.

Is Adobe going to make their own browser, embedding safari with flash support? Does anyone at Adobe even remember how to code for the mac?
 
Small White Car said:
Let me be clear that I DO NOT want flash within the Safari browser. Too many problems will come from it in terms of download times, battery life, and program stability when you just want to browse the web. Apple is right to keep flash out of MobileSafari.

That said, I really DO hope that Apple allows a flash application that works the same as the YouTube application. It would be its own program, and when you click a flash video in safari it takes you to the Flash program if you have it.

I can get behind that plan.
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I agree. That's a good compromise - then people will realize what a pig flash really is.
 
solipsism said:
Podcaster is a completely different entity and rejected for very different reasons. There are plenty of App Store apps that are similar to the iPhone's default apps.
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They also rejected a program that connects to g-mail for being "too much like Mail."

The point is that they're free to reject nearly anything using this argument, so if Apple doesn't want an Adobe browser on the iPhone this is a very simple way for them to stop it.
 
nagromme said:
But looking beyond the browser, what I'd REALLY like is to see Adobe release Flash tools to iPhone SDK app developers. This would not let 3rd-party apps read random Flash files (that would violate the terms, as its own separate app environment). It would let developers build Flash content INTO their apps, which would then be compiled and not use a browser at all. It would also let apps stream Flash video. And since it wouldn't add third-party bugs to the browser, I see Apple being perfectly willing to accept this.
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That's what I'm talkin' about!

PS: I'd like to see Skyfire get an app for the iPhone. It has the potential of being the best way for a battery-dependent device to view Flash video on the web.
 
There's one important aspect to Flash...

...Flash is a crock. A stinking pile. And Apple is very much in the right in not putting any leverage behind it.

Here's what's the problem: Adobe is trying to install Flash as an ubiquitous standard for annoying webpage behaviour. It is a resource hog and a nuisance. The same idiotic webdesigners that make websites incompatible with anything but IE and post everything in WMV are the same (or similar) ones that force Flash down our throats. Google realised this, hence the move to have H.264 as an option in YouTube.
Now, on Apple's part: Why get in bed with a whore when all you get from it is short term pleasure at the cost of VD?

Let's hope that the web is healthy enough to rid itself of Flash before it's too late.

My opinion.

Cheers, dsq.
 
Apple: We have the most powerful gaming handheld in the market!

Sony: Well, our PSP supports flash just fine, how about the iphone? (Flash 6 only, but still full Flash)

Apple: Oh no! Flash would never run well for the iphone!

So.... which is it?
 
poorbusker said:
the only thing that apple will do that "compromises" their original idea of the iphone is they will eventually put a keyboard on it. Because apple knows that it doesn't matter how good their virtual keyboard is...business people will not seriously look at the iphone until there is a physical keyboard attached to the phone.
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Uh! I'm a business person.. I work in Corporate America.. and I say the iPhone keyboard is the best thing thats happened to keyboards.. I think the problem is people are not using the side of their brain that deals with addaptation and learning.. once they start.. they would see how convinient a virtual keyboard is... Business people are not a type of person.. they are made up by different individuals with different tastes and prefferences.. of all the iphone owners in my company only one has a problem with the keyboard and i just think its cause he's a retard!

By the Way... business people are seriously looking at the iphone do you think that the massive iphone 3G sales were primarily from regular consumers.. I went to a Lounge the other day that already have the bottle service ordering system on the iphone and are totally paperless. yes waitresses/hostesses running around with iphones... Business people are too busy to worry about keyboards.. they are looking at the functionality.. (all the updates you saw in 2.0)

Just my $1.05
 
poorbusker said:
the only thing that apple will do that "compromises" their original idea of the iphone is they will eventually put a keyboard on it. Because apple knows that it doesn't matter how good their virtual keyboard is...business people will not seriously look at the iphone until there is a physical keyboard attached to the phone.
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I work for one of the top-five global consulting companies. You would be surprised how many of senior people got an iPhone... even the ones I thought are a bit more conservative.

I am pretty happy without a "real" keyboard. Th advantages to have a smaller/lighter device with maximum possible screen size is certainly preferable.
 
Grow Up!

There must be ZERO diplomacy between Adobe and Apple! ZERO!!! Don't they speak to each other? STOP BEING CHILDISH, JOBS! You owe it to your customers and share holders to communicate with Adobe!!!
 
This is the problem of a closed platform i guess.

Adobe could just release it as an application without Apple's say so, but it would get pulled and NDA slapped.

However, Jobsy has a point. If they put flash on there, it should be able to cope with ALL flash really - otherwise people are going to complain that it's not "proper".
 
guzhogi said:
I hope they release it. A lot of websites use Flash, especially Youtube
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theres the you tube app.

but again it would be nice to log in, rate and comment videos to.... may be youtube can develop a you tube app to do the same thing
 
decimortis said:
They solve that easily with a toggle switch to turn Flash on/off at will.
I'm just tired of visiting sites and seeing the damn little Lego block staring at me.
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Excellent point! They could have it set off by default so you would have to turn it on.

honestly this one of things that keeps me from taking the iPhone seriously as a mobile computer! :mad: I need flash!

JOBS GET THIS DONE YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Sign me up!!! I use my iPod Touch as a laptop so having Flash would make things so much easier for me.
 
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