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Adobe Could Release Flash for iPhone if Apple Approves

Ironduke said:
lol check out the fanboys....clowns

If its released as an app store program and u dont want it then dont download it ffs:rolleyes:
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Name calling is both fun and useful, but you misunderstand the situation: If it's a browser plugin, which is what people expect from Flash, then it would NOT be an app store program, it would be an update to the iPhone's own software, delivered from Apple.

(I agree with those who think that's unlikely--UNLESS Adobe has actually pulled of a higher-quality product than I expect. I'd just as soon skip the plugin and have Adobe working with various 3rd-parties on specific single-function non-browser apps.)
 
I hear that Flash barely works on some Macs (Air) so I couldn't imagine it working that much better on the iPhone.

I do hope that they do something to improve the web browsing on mobile safari and keep the iPhone a cut above the rest. Now that Opera Mobile is out, many users can get full (effective) HTML browsing from their buggy Windows Mobile Smartphones.
 
nagromme said:
Name calling is both fun and useful, but you misunderstand the situation: If it's a browser plugin, which is what people expect from Flash, then it would NOT be an app store program, it would be an update to the iPhone's own software, delivered from Apple.

(I agree with those who think that's unlikely--UNLESS Adobe has actually pulled of a higher-quality product than I expect. I'd just as soon skip the plugin and have Adobe working with various 3rd-parties on specific single-function non-browser apps.)
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and if it had drawbacks apple would give you an off switch ffs:rolleyes:
 
I doubt they would allow flash because you can create more "app like" stuff with flash vs just a webpage with fancy javascript and that could cut into apple's profits from the app store.

Although the flash based apps wouldn't be connected to the accelerator and GPS so who knows.
 
Sorry But No

I would NOT approve of Flash on the iPhone.

Flash itself runs against the SDK.

Flash would make Apple dependent on Adobe to create the software. Adobe prefers to cripple the Apple versions of its products compared to the Windows versions. Adobe is often late in updating the Apple versions compared to Windows.

Flash is NOT an OPEN SOURCE STANDARD on the web. It changes at Adobe's whim.

Flash abhoridly is inefficient, contributes to crashes, uses too many resources, is not friendly to disabled persons (such as the blind).

Flash should DIE - unless Adobe gives up control, makes Flash an open-source standard.
 
Ironduke said:
and if it had drawbacks apple would give you an off switch ffs:rolleyes:
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This.

An off switch guys. Pretty simple concept, and if you're too lazy to switch it off/on, then just leave it off - business as usual. Again, simple concept.
 
they say is a close platform and that is for the iphoen not specifically mobile safari although it might be implied its for it maybe adobe realized the problems of releasing it as an add-on maybe they'll release it like some said as an app that lunches when needed that is secure and bugless and can be updated through the appstore
 
Hover

How does hovering (mouse hover) work on a phone, especially a button-less phone like the iPhone?
 
Path to self destruction.

Apple is really moving themselfs to a fine line here. I like the idea for a review to insure the app doesn't break the phone... However it needs to get a bit more laid back on the idea that a competitor may make a competing products for it, that some people will like.

A lot of web pages uses flash. Being able to use it is an important feature, that most will like. Heck allow Microsoft put in an app that can play Microsoft Music stuff. I don't care if it a bad idea. but give them the option.
 
Kilamite said:
Uhh - for a blind person browsing the web, what is friendly to them?
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While I understand your view, it is a valid point. There are text-to-speech programs that do enable the blind to navigate the web. I'm sure you knew this, and when it comes to flash content, those programs are pretty useless.
 
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Myself as a deaf person need flash to view my "voice mail" from Hands On Video Relay Services.
 
DonSqueak said:
...Flash is a crock. A stinking pile. And Apple is very much in the right in not putting any leverage behind it.[...]

Let's hope that the web is healthy enough to rid itself of Flash before it's too late.
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QFT. I hope developers (and their clients) move to AJAX and away from Flash very soon.
 
guzhogi said:
I hope they release it. A lot of websites use Flash, especially Youtube
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Perhaps you have never notcied that YouTube app on your iPhone or iPod Touch that is MUCH better than YouTube's site??? :rolleyes:

Flash sucks, I haven't missed it at all on my iPhone and I don't think there is a chance for Apple to approve it. I have a much better solution... RID THE ENTIRE WEB OF THAT MONSTROSITY CALLED FLASH! :)
 
Ironduke said:
and if it had drawbacks apple would give you an off switch ffs:rolleyes:
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Apple already HAS given plugins an off switch, as noted above.

joeshell383 said:
How does hovering (mouse hover) work on a phone, especially a button-less phone like the iPhone?
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With Flash, where sometimes you HAVE to distinguish a rollover from a click or drag? Just to do basic things like navigate a site? Pretty poorly, I would imagine! Certainly not as well as the non-Flash alternative navigation that sites (should) bring up automatically when needed.

But here's how hover works with JavaScript, where the code is exposed to the browser's understanding--and it has worked well for JS sites on iPhone:

http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2008/08/iphone_events.html

Adobe might have to offer a couple different modes or gestures--additional complexity that a site won't help you understand--in order to make existing Flash sites useable on a pointerless platform. It would be ugly. Like two-finger tap to pop up a hover menu, one-finger to select, three fingers to drag-lock so the menu doesn't snap shut while you move your fingers away to read the text... and you're on your own to figure out that it IS a hover menu in the first place :eek: Or Adobe could overlay additional imagery onto each site, indicating hover areas? I can think of workarounds, but not nice ones.

And I'd still like to have it, if it's efficient and stable! (I just wouldn't want site developers to get lazy about making touch-friendly navigation, knowing that "at least the new plugin lets you have SOME access.")
 
Prove it: Release the 64 bit clean Linux port

Really? You can create a 64 bit version of Flash for the upcoming version of the OS on iPhone? Yet you can't pull this out of your rears for Linux 64 bit?

Give me a break.
 
I can only speak from personal experience but I have NEVER needed flash on my ipod. I havnt run across one site I go on that not having flash has ever caused a problem with. Not once.

That being said, porn is for a laptop. Im not a gamer.

Maybe flash just isn't for me?
 
MacFly123 said:
Perhaps you have never notcied that YouTube app on your iPhone or iPod Touch that is MUCH better than YouTube's site??? :rolleyes:

Flash sucks, I haven't missed it at all on my iPhone and I don't think there is a chance for Apple to approve it. I have a much better solution... RID THE ENTIRE WEB OF THAT MONSTROSITY CALLED FLASH! :)
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People seem to not grasp the fact that the Flash is a wrapper and custom view around H.264.
 
NT1440 said:
I can only speak from personal experience but I have NEVER needed flash on my ipod. I havnt run across one site I go on that not having flash has ever caused a problem with. Not once.

That being said, porn is for a laptop. Im not a gamer.

Maybe flash just isn't for me?
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Flash is certainly not needed by everyone, but it is used by MANY.

My needs:

* Flash-based video--especially hulu.com but others too.

* Flash games (there a few favorites I keep coming back to).

* Looking at my clients' Flash-based sites.

* Showing my own Flash work to others.

The first two could be solved by non-browser apps with built-in Flash elements, but if a GOOD solution can give me all four, I won't complain.

(My workaround for now: look at Flash sites on my iPhone--slowly--through Jaadu, via my iMac and VNC.)
 
NT1440 said:
I can only speak from personal experience but I have NEVER needed flash on my ipod. I havnt run across one site I go on that not having flash has ever caused a problem with. Not once.

That being said, porn is for a laptop. Im not a gamer.

Maybe flash just isn't for me?
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My newspaper's Web site has embedded videos that you can play just like a YouTube video. It uses...Flash. So I can't watch the videos on my phone.

Like it or not, Flash is pretty much a Web "standard." When there's a site built with a heavy amount of shiny, pretty objects, Adobe is more than likely behind it. Unless someone has a better idea (that people have actually heard of and wouldn't think is a soap or soccer team), it's gonna stay there.

For the poster who said Adobe strips their products down for Mac: Have you ever used Creative Suite? That's like THE software for Macs. That's one set of apps that is the reason so many creative studios have Macs.
 
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ooh, they better. Ah, the things I could do with flash...
 
anyone else think flash is actually going to die out relatively soon? (3-5 years)


seems like the two major players in the OS game dont really like it that much.

Apple just doesn't play nice with flash

Microsoft has its own little projects (i believe its called silverlight?)
 
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