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Adobe Could Release Flash for iPhone if Apple Approves

The real deal with Apple and Flash

Apple views Flash as a proprietary technology that is not an open web standard. You can replicate Flash functionality with a native JavaScript engine (SquirrelFish/V8/TraceMonkey/etc), SVG, and HTML5 standard Audio / Video tags. Apple believes that by investing heavily in these things (as they're obviously doing if you track WebKit closely) they can unlock the Web from Flash's proprietary grip. I, personally, hope they and Mozilla succeed in that endeavor.

Now the real debate is whether Apple should "temporarily" support Flash since there is no common alternative presently- but they view such support as opposite to their end goal of promoting the open web standards. You can make the argument both sides there, but there's no question the web will be a better place without being locked into Adobe's Flash...
 
Farplaner said:
Apple: We have the most powerful gaming handheld in the market!

Sony: Well, our PSP supports flash just fine, how about the iphone? (Flash 6 only, but still full Flash)

Apple: Oh no! Flash would never run well for the iphone!

So.... which is it?
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I hate it that apple is maming the touch sound like a gaming device this year. Why cant they just do it like they do the iphone. Make it like a portable hand held computer, mail, music, movies tv shows, appls etc

Small White Car said:
Except, remember that Apple is rejecting things for being "similar to Apple programs." So I can easily see them rejecting a browser and saying "it's just like Safari, so no."

No matter how you slice it, the whole plan would need Apple's approval and, no matter what I want, I also agree that it ain't gonna happen.
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Can anyone say Firefox on the iphone :p
 
It would make Apple extremely dependent on Adobe, if Flash screws up then Apple has to wait for Adobe to solve the problem if ever. Plus its to hard on the hardware, flash on a 600mhz PPC Mac is dog slow.
 
I reckon that releasing flash on the iPhone/iPod Touch platform could be dangerous, and thats why Jobs may not be too sure about it. Flash could be a possibility to open up A new kind of jailbreaking, but through flash instead.:rolleyes:

It could easily be done...

-Sam
 
.Chris said:
Can anyone say Firefox on the iphone :p
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Let's get them to improve it on the desktop before they start going mobile ;) Don't get me wrong, I love Firefox, it's just the current version is buggy.
EDIT: Besides, wouldn't that be "duplicating functionality already found on the iPhone" :p

As for Flash on the iPhone, why doesn't Adobe work on Adobe Reader first. I could use a PDF reader on my iPod touch that reads and syncs encrypted PDFs and eBooks, that doesn't require me to upload them to some Web site or buy them from some store. Forget Flash player, let's get adequate PDF support first.

And besides isn't Flash dead now that Silverlight is out :p
 
Adobe is one of the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse

Iraq, Oil Prices, Wallstreet Crashing, and now Flash ads on my iPhone! Nooooo!!!!!
 
o0samotech0o said:
I reckon that releasing flash on the iPhone/iPod Touch platform could be dangerous, and thats why Jobs may not be too sure about it. Flash could be a possibility to open up A new kind of jailbreaking, but through flash instead.:rolleyes:

It could easily be done...

-Sam
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I'm sure they had done internal testing...

baleensavage said:
Let's get them to improve it on the desktop before they start going mobile ;) Don't get me wrong, I love Firefox, it's just the current version is buggy.
EDIT: Besides, wouldn't that be "duplicating functionality already found on the iPhone" :p

As for Flash on the iPhone, why doesn't Adobe work on Adobe Reader first. I could use a PDF reader on my iPod touch that reads and syncs encrypted PDFs and eBooks, that doesn't require me to upload them to some Web site or buy them from some store. Forget Flash player, let's get adequate PDF support first.

And besides isn't Flash dead now that Silverlight is out :p
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Firfox on vista works fine. its internet explrer thats buggy. and this is verson 7...

sliverlight is a huge joke..... half of their websites dont even support it!
 
.Chris said:
Firfox on vista works fine. its internet explrer thats buggy. and this is verson 7...
sliverlight is a huge joke..... half of their websites dont even support it!
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Yeah, but you have to put up with Vista ;) The Mac version of Firefox 3 needs some work.

And yeah, Silverlight is a big joke. You hear all this talk about it being the Flash-killer and yet where are the Silverlight Web sites?
 
baleensavage said:
Yeah, but you have to put up with Vista ;) The Mac version of Firefox 3 needs some work.

And yeah, Silverlight is a big joke. You hear all this talk about it being the Flash-killer and yet where are the Silverlight Web sites?
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yep. and half of microsofts websites dont even support it and they made the player!

Though on some they are "forcing" us to download it even if we have flash installed. To me, thats just them. focing us what we want and dont want. just like in the live services beta whitch I'm in on a privite beta program
 
im curious, if flash was already implemented into the iphone without it being this big of an issue would people have still griped about it?

if not flash, perhaps some "translator" with less bugs?
(ie; firefox w/ flash, video and content stop after short amount of time)
 
Small White Car said:
That said, I really DO hope that Apple allows a flash application that works the same as the YouTube application. It would be its own program, and when you click a flash video in safari it takes you to the Flash program if you have it.
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That would still be a half solution, imagine clicking a banner ad that opens in the Flash application transferring you to the advert page in Safari that is half Flash, half HTML. Imagine that page with multiple Flash adds and games spread over the page, it can't work without some sort of preview and for that Safari needs to download the Flash movie to render the preview.

It would also be to slow for games and movies, only advertisements.
 
Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5F136 Safari/525.20)

This will be great if Flash comes to the iPhone!
But I was just thinking- would we have an overheating iPhone with Flash dedicated to the phone? I know for myself that my Gateway laptop likes to heat up when Flash is being used.
Hey I could be wrong... but just a thought :)
 
Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5F136 Safari/525.20)

Another item on many people's check list of "things they wish the iphone had" can be checked off if this is true.
 
Flex is the reason I want to see Flash on the iPhone.

From a business perspective, flash (via flex) is fairly widely used for providing interactive online reporting and analysis. This is not something easily replaced by Javascript technologies; even Google have spurned js in favour of flash for their interactive charts (e.g. google finance, for example) or introduced parallel js and flash versions (e.g. maps).

I hope Adobe will eventually open up flash entirely, it is pretty much everywhere already. If Jobs can give them a swift kick in that direction, all the better. Google's use of flash is both a testament to it's effectiveness - there is no better tool in some cases - but has also been limited by the lack of 'openness'.
 
I hope this isn't forced on everyone, because I am perfectly happy to have all those Flash ads turned off on the websites I visit. Sites that rely on Flash are badly designed to begin with if they don't degrade gracefully.

No Flash on my iPhone!
 
Small White Car said:
Let me be clear that I DO NOT want flash within the Safari browser. Too many problems will come from it in terms of download times, battery life, and program stability when you just want to browse the web. Apple is right to keep flash out of MobileSafari. ...
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decimortis said:
They solve that easily with a toggle switch to turn Flash on/off at will.
I'm just tired of visiting sites and seeing the damn little Lego block staring at me.
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Odd that it shows the "missing plugin" icon. Also notice how when you go the the safari section of the settings app there's a toggle to turn plugins on or off? What plugins? Hmm.....

gnasher729 said:
People here on MacRumors can be for or against Flash on the iPhone as much as they want, but it is Apple who decides this. And I don't think it is in Apple's best interest to have Flash on the iPhone. So Apple will politely decline Adobe's friendly offer.
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You could be right. They'd probably rather have you build a native app. But it does seem *awfully* short sighted to not support something that is such a huge part (like it or not) of the web experience...
 
Forget the iPhone. I want Adobe to optimise Flash for OS X (and Photoshop et. al whilst they're at it).
 
EXCELLENT !!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D

There are MANY, MANY, MANY websites that I have tried to view on my phone that were not possible because of a lack of Flash support. In effect, the iPhone does not have the full internet yet. I sure hope we get Flash support! :)
 
Small White Car said:
Let me be clear that I DO NOT want flash within the Safari browser. Too many problems will come from it in terms of download times, battery life, and program stability when you just want to browse the web. Apple is right to keep flash out of MobileSafari.

That said, I really DO hope that Apple allows a flash application that works the same as the YouTube application. It would be its own program, and when you click a flash video in safari it takes you to the Flash program if you have it.

I can get behind that plan.
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I was about to scream, "Hey, stupid! Flash is worthless without integrating with Safari!" until I saw your second paragraph. I had never thought of that idea before. That's quite awesome if it's not too difficult for developers. The only problem is there is still a LOT of content that uses flash that isn't YouTube movies. Perhaps just let certain people do stuff like embed Flash within Safari and then have an on/off toggle in settings. Either that or tell Adboe that bloatware won't float on the iPhone. :)
 
I can see the arguments for both side of this, but I'd at least still like the option in some form or another, whether by toggle or separate browser, etc.

However, while Mobile Safari is probably the premier and most capable browser out there for smart phones (I think the Nokia N800 browser blows the iPhone's away, but alas the N800 is not exactly a phone) but anyway...while Mobile Safari is probably the best out there, if this is as good as it gets at the moment for mobile browsers, then we have a long way to go.

This browser runs fairly poorly for any practical use. Sure, it's great for a quick 5-10 minute viewing of a single site, but when you start opening multiple tabs you're asking for trouble. Not only are you looking at having to reload entire pages constantly when switching between tabs, but not long after that expect a few crashes. (Yes, even after routine reboots and clearing of cache). The browser is not perfect, and far from being used with any practicality, but that isn't necessarily any fault of Apple's it is definitely still leaps and bounds ahead of most everything else out there.

Regarding Steve's comment, I can easily see how Flash would just add to the mess and how Safari would perform probably exponentially more horribly considering that the browser itself is not even stable.

However, like I first stated, with how widely-used flash is, and it being a requirement for some sites, it would still be nice to at least just have the option. People would just have to have some common sense and expect even more frequent crashes, battery drain, lag, etc when flash is turned on.
 
lol check out the fanboys....clowns

If its released as an app store program and u dont want it then dont download it ffs:rolleyes:
 
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