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Adobe Creative Suite 2.0?
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ADOBE BLOWS
what a shame...Adobe used to be the best...but comon..how long can they be pissed at Apple for working on competitive software...and besides..when was the last time Adobe did anything new...PS, illustrator and After effects have had the same look for 10+ years...comon! ooh maybe photoshop version whatever will come with a new distor filter...foo!
what a shame...Adobe used to be the best...but comon..how long can they be pissed at Apple for working on competitive software...and besides..when was the last time Adobe did anything new...PS, illustrator and After effects have had the same look for 10+ years...comon! ooh maybe photoshop version whatever will come with a new distor filter...foo!
theROZ said:
So are you saying Photoshop and Illustrator are essentially unchanged even after 10 years? And that all the new Photoshop will have in it is a new filter?
Keep taking the medication...
I just got Photoshop CS. Will I have to pay if i want to upgrade? What has Adobe's policy on recent purchases been in the past?
BornAgainMac said:
It's just being announced. I'm pretty sure it will be released when Tiger is and it will have Tiger features such as core imaging.
bdkennedy1 said:
Just want until Photoshop gets Tigerized, it will blow PC users out of the water.
Adobe updates... I don't care
I have used adobe photoshop 5.1 every day for the last 5 years. I color correct photos, clean, and restore images. I work at a newspaper. At home I use or have used ps7, ps8. It is easier to use 8 because it's quicker, can do vector graphics, better font tools, and well - doesn't have to run in classic... though (for the last 1 1/2 years) I still hate having that floating tool bar.
I guess it all depends on what OS you're on and what you're trying to do. I do take work home with me because the new version can open things like certain PDF's, and eps's that the old ps5 can't. Plus my computer at home is new and fancy. Most macs where I am pre-date the G3.
So, what is my point? Well, I guess for me it's that Adobe can update their flagship(s) whenever, and as often as they like - 'cause it really won't matter. I can't use them (or any new features) in the real world anyway. I buy them because I have to have the latest and greatest, and because I am a geek. Sometimes I think I'm sad. Oh well, maybe I'm just bitter because I work for a cheap company. But I can't be alone, can I?
I have used adobe photoshop 5.1 every day for the last 5 years. I color correct photos, clean, and restore images. I work at a newspaper. At home I use or have used ps7, ps8. It is easier to use 8 because it's quicker, can do vector graphics, better font tools, and well - doesn't have to run in classic... though (for the last 1 1/2 years) I still hate having that floating tool bar.
I guess it all depends on what OS you're on and what you're trying to do. I do take work home with me because the new version can open things like certain PDF's, and eps's that the old ps5 can't. Plus my computer at home is new and fancy. Most macs where I am pre-date the G3.
So, what is my point? Well, I guess for me it's that Adobe can update their flagship(s) whenever, and as often as they like - 'cause it really won't matter. I can't use them (or any new features) in the real world anyway. I buy them because I have to have the latest and greatest, and because I am a geek. Sometimes I think I'm sad. Oh well, maybe I'm just bitter because I work for a cheap company. But I can't be alone, can I?
Doctor Q said:
When they issue a new release they usually state something like this:
(this is from an oldish press release about InDesign)
"Upon shipment of InDesign 1.5, all registered customers of the original InDesign product automatically qualify for an upgrade at an introductory estimated street price of U.S. $29.95. Registered customers who purchased the Design Collection, which includes Adobe InDesign 1.0, are also eligible for this promotional upgrade price.
The InDesign promotion is valid for 60 days beginning March 29, 2000 and is available direct from Adobe. Customers who purchase the upgrade from Adobe will receive free shipping. As previously announced, registered customers who purchased the original product on or after January 1, 2000 for the full estimated street price (an average of U.S. $699), rather than the introductory promotional price, will be offered an upgrade to version 1.5 at no cost.
Also, in compliance with Adobes overall upgrade policy, all customers who purchase InDesign 1.0 on or after February 12, 2000, automatically qualify for a free upgrade to the new version. Adobe InDesign 1.5 is expected to have an estimated street price of U.S. $699 for customers who have not yet purchased InDesign 1.0."
So when the new release comes, it's worth checking Adobe's website.
Hold onto that receipt!
raynegus said:
Do you know that the PT Tools have been ported and improved for Mac OS X? You can find the tools for sale (which are quite marvelous) here:
http://www.kekus.com/
I doubt Adobe will ever build anything as comprehensive as PT into Photoshop. You can always use the crop with perspective tool if you want simple, limited distortion correction.
I Agree with Sir_Giggles....
well ok.....Adobe may not be worst Mac developer - but you have to admit they have gotten a lot more snotty in the past few years.
Remember when they pulled that whole "pc's are faster than macs" routine (and no I am not brining it up to argue that in this thread) - if you ask me, they just seem to be "flaking off". They just don't seem to be as committed to our platform as they once were.
Photoshop and Illustrator are just getting far too bloated. Each version runs slower - and they have tried to incorporate HTML features that go beyond what the program was made to excell at - Vector design and Photo touch-up/color correction.
I think that Adobe needs to go on a "pilgrimage" and remind themselves what made them great - and what platform helped them get there.
well ok.....Adobe may not be worst Mac developer - but you have to admit they have gotten a lot more snotty in the past few years.
Remember when they pulled that whole "pc's are faster than macs" routine (and no I am not brining it up to argue that in this thread) - if you ask me, they just seem to be "flaking off". They just don't seem to be as committed to our platform as they once were.
Photoshop and Illustrator are just getting far too bloated. Each version runs slower - and they have tried to incorporate HTML features that go beyond what the program was made to excell at - Vector design and Photo touch-up/color correction.
I think that Adobe needs to go on a "pilgrimage" and remind themselves what made them great - and what platform helped them get there.
Sir_Giggles said:Whole version numbers for dot number changes.
Adobe is like the worst Mac developer.
If you're a visual communications (graphic design, web design, motion graphics) pro, then you can't possibly make the argument that they're the worst Mac developer.
Macromedia gets my vote because they actually, by virtue of their crappiness starting with MX, steered me to be an almost 100% Adobe user. When MX came out, it's like all of their apps got stupid on me - stability, speed, ease of use. Prior to MX, I really liked them and used them most of the time. Nowadays, Flash is the only MM product I personally care about because its the only serious way to get in the Flash game.
The MS MacBU is heading in a downward direction too. WMP 9 for Mac and MSN Messenger for Mac are nowhere even remotely close to their Windows counterparts, but Office 2004 is really not that bad.
Yes, Illustrator did have severe speed and stability problems with 9 and 10, but CS straightened most of those problems out. I can't complain about the CS versions of Photoshop, Acrobat and InDesign at all. Look at it from the professional's side - if you already own Photoshop 7, then you get _all_ of Adobe's big hitters (sans AfterEffects) for about $700. That's way less than a retail license of Quark alone. If only they kept LiveMotion going...
Sir_Giggles said:Dont worry you could afford it.
No! that's just it... I'm broke now that I sent Apple my entire savings account!
I think Filter Layers would be a very welcome addition to the already infinitely useful adjustment layers. I also think that being able to select multiple layers and apply actions to them simultaneously is SO LONG IN THE COMING --- its so irritating to only be able to grab one layer at a time, it's not always convenient to have to group them into folders just to move them together.
Updateable placed vectors and bitmaps is just a wild idea, and SO helpful.
Some other needed improvements:
1.) File browser is still way too slow to be useful, though it shows promise.
2.) More intuitive ability to create clipping masks in layers in order to apply layer adjustments / etc., to specific areas of multiple layers below.
3.) Give users the ability to turn off the annoying ability of guides to be placed in between pixels. It's hell when you need to cut up a web page.
4.) True type rendering. Although it isn't at first apparent, all of Photoshops type antialiasing modes distort fonts. Currently the only way to get true rendering is to create and place it from Illustrator.
5.) Rewrite the dialogue boxes for batch and create droplet -- the options are needlessly confusing and baffling no matter how many times I use it. Oh, and when I set up a naming convention for exported files - USE IT!!!
6.) Save for Web is too buggy and slow. Fix it, no excuse.
7.) DO FRIGGIN NOT correct the pixel aspect ratio unless I tell you too!!! You wouldn't believe how annoying this is for someone like me, that works in TV -- everytime I open a video still it recognizes the ratio and opens it with that annoying squished look of anomorphized video. A program SHOULD NOT assume anything, EVER!!!
Generally, I just hope that Adobe focuses on small changes that actually affect the users life, not big stupid showy additions that nobody will use. Same for Apple for that matter - who cares about Dashboard, just make me some labels that aren't grotesque so I can go back to using them to organize my information!!!!
Updateable placed vectors and bitmaps is just a wild idea, and SO helpful.
Some other needed improvements:
1.) File browser is still way too slow to be useful, though it shows promise.
2.) More intuitive ability to create clipping masks in layers in order to apply layer adjustments / etc., to specific areas of multiple layers below.
3.) Give users the ability to turn off the annoying ability of guides to be placed in between pixels. It's hell when you need to cut up a web page.
4.) True type rendering. Although it isn't at first apparent, all of Photoshops type antialiasing modes distort fonts. Currently the only way to get true rendering is to create and place it from Illustrator.
5.) Rewrite the dialogue boxes for batch and create droplet -- the options are needlessly confusing and baffling no matter how many times I use it. Oh, and when I set up a naming convention for exported files - USE IT!!!
6.) Save for Web is too buggy and slow. Fix it, no excuse.
7.) DO FRIGGIN NOT correct the pixel aspect ratio unless I tell you too!!! You wouldn't believe how annoying this is for someone like me, that works in TV -- everytime I open a video still it recognizes the ratio and opens it with that annoying squished look of anomorphized video. A program SHOULD NOT assume anything, EVER!!!
Generally, I just hope that Adobe focuses on small changes that actually affect the users life, not big stupid showy additions that nobody will use. Same for Apple for that matter - who cares about Dashboard, just make me some labels that aren't grotesque so I can go back to using them to organize my information!!!!
OhEsTen said:
I agree with you. I think they're just taking potshots at Apple because of the video tools. Don't be fooled - Apple knows it needs Adobe because a ton of Mac users rely on Photoshop and Illustrator day-to-day, and Adobe needs Apple because they don't want a PR nightmare like Quark encountered when they publicly questioned whether or not they would support OS X in future versions of XPress.
I suppose its kind of like they're teenage brothers - they get under each other's skin, but there's love there.
mcarvin said:
I voted negative only because there aren't any new features rumored that I would use a lot as a light-user, and therefore I won't be using this new version (unless it provides great speed increases, but I'm not that optimistic). I realize that these features could be great for the pro-users, but I am representing my demographic.
I could care less about version numbers, I look at what an app offers vs. the price, and I either buy it or I wait. That's the approach I recommend. Who cares about the name or number? I HOPE nobody is blindly buying software just because they see a number. Not a good plan!
In this case, I'll probably buy Photoshop CS 2--I'm on the "every other" plan with most apps, and I skipped CS. Upgrading every time is almost worth it to me but not quite (for most apps). "Every other" is usually a no-brainer. (And waiting longer can cost more in the end, sometimes.)
I use Freehand so I probably won't get the full suite. (And Illustrator only JUST got underlined text??? Really??? What do they think they are, Flash? )
(And a big round of applause, please, for all the software pirates who have helped bring product activation nonsense--and higher prices--to honest people like me.)
In this case, I'll probably buy Photoshop CS 2--I'm on the "every other" plan with most apps, and I skipped CS. Upgrading every time is almost worth it to me but not quite (for most apps). "Every other" is usually a no-brainer. (And waiting longer can cost more in the end, sometimes.)
I use Freehand so I probably won't get the full suite. (And Illustrator only JUST got underlined text??? Really??? What do they think they are, Flash?
)(And a big round of applause, please, for all the software pirates who have helped bring product activation nonsense--and higher prices--to honest people like me.)
debroglie said:
That's cool, and maybe dropping the bucks for the full CS isn't for you. Maybe one day it will, and I'm sure Elements will get you by until then.
I'm not overly optimistic on the speed increases either, and I'll most likely wait until they start releasing dot updates before I buy. CS works fine for me, but I need a new monitor more than CS 2.
nagromme said:
ROCK ON! Nothing makes me feel all warm and fuzzy than being presumed a thief from the outset. That was a factor in my reason to not continue buying the whole MM suite, instead just buying Flash.
mcarvin said:
too true! macromedia apps have become so amateurish as to be unusable. like you the only app that i use now is flash and not because i want to. my one glimmer of hope - i know a couple of the developers and they were just as unhappy as we, the consumers, were about the quality of the release. there have been some major shake-ups in how they develop and some of that has borne some pretty exciting fruit. if you look online there are some cool videos showing the new flash player running on the mac and
it's really, really fast (like 120 frames per second, animating complex components).dashiel said:too true! macromedia apps have become so amateurish as to be unusable. like you the only app that i use now is flash and not because i want to. my one glimmer of hope - i know a couple of the developers and they were just as unhappy as we, the consumers, were about the quality of the release. there have been some major shake-ups in how they develop and some of that has borne some pretty exciting fruit. if you look online there are some cool videos showing the new flash player running on the mac and
I had heard a rumor or read something a few years ago where a MM dev came out and said that the execs rush things out, then have mass layoffs once the major release is out. Wash, rinse, repeat.
And you've really nailed my sentiment about Flash - I use it, but not because I want to.
theROZ said:
I was learning design with Illustrator 5.5 and Photoshop v3 (I'm sure there are oldschoolers here who've been using them since Illustrator 88 and earlier). The basic layout of the app (toolbox, palettes, menus) is mostly unchanged from that version. That's the strength of these apps; you don't have to relearn the whole thing from scratch with each new release. Why do older designers and print shops generally prefer Quark over InDesign? Because Quark is what it has been from the beginning and the same goes for the core Adobe apps.
The thing I really don't like about the suite option is that you tend to get products that are rushed, and you get products that are delayed all grouped into a package. Rather being released "when ready" programs are forced to speed up development, or slow down development. The positive is that you get a great deal on pricing.
Every time they come they come out with a new illustrator now they say "complete" overhall. Illustrator 8 was the bomb in my eyes, but Ill CS has been the best since, performance vs features. InDesign is still my darling though.
I want I want...
1. An export to .AI function with layer support from ID.
2. Good Noise filter in AI for gradients
3. XML table support for ID.
4. XML images location support.
5. Better links pallette in ID.
6. Automatic creation of PSD Trans to Clipping Mask in Illustrator.
7. Illustrator implementation of Streamline
8. Support for "cntrl" in keyboard shortcuts, PS and ID can use it!
9. Palette locations memory in Illustrator... jeez.
Im sure there are others, but thats all i want for now.
Edits: Adding to the list.
Every time they come they come out with a new illustrator now they say "complete" overhall. Illustrator 8 was the bomb in my eyes, but Ill CS has been the best since, performance vs features. InDesign is still my darling though.
I want I want...
1. An export to .AI function with layer support from ID.
2. Good Noise filter in AI for gradients
3. XML table support for ID.
4. XML images location support.
5. Better links pallette in ID.
6. Automatic creation of PSD Trans to Clipping Mask in Illustrator.
7. Illustrator implementation of Streamline
8. Support for "cntrl" in keyboard shortcuts, PS and ID can use it!
9. Palette locations memory in Illustrator... jeez.
Im sure there are others, but thats all i want for now.
Edits: Adding to the list.