Adobe Creative Suite 2.0?

[mcarvin]

I just shelled out $649 for CS, so of course, 2.0 is now out!

If you _just_ did it, you may luck out and get either comped/favorable rate for the new version. If you did it a few months ago, sorry. It's happened to all of us at some point or other.

MM cheaped me out of an upgrade path because I was 10 days early. Man, I'm on a real anti-MM kick tonight!

 

[zer0army]

It's just being announced. I'm pretty sure it will be released when Tiger is and it will have Tiger features such as core imaging.

I remember when steve gave a Tiger demo at one of the major shows last year where he was showing off the whole core image thing. He said "I hope adobe utilizes this technology in their next version of photoshop etc." or something like that. A few weeks later I was at an Adobe seminar and I asked one of the Adobe reps what he thought about that. He said it will never happen, not because they can't do it for the mac version, but because they can't add it to the windows version. The windows version of Photoshop sells at least double what the mac version does, so they have to keep both platforms on par. So we lose out because Microsoft sucks.

And regarding the people who said Adobe is the worst mac developer, I would have to say they are a close second to macromedia. I use Adobe and Macromedia apps everyday and well I have pretty much had it with Macromedia, clumsy interface that reminds me of windows apps. As for the Adobe apps we get along ok these days with CS. I gotta say you A/V people have it so good with all these properly written and designed apps by Apple. I'm so jealous everytime I use FCP4, DVDSP3 and Motion. I know its not likely to happen but I would love it if Apple was able to make a whole CS killer and save us designers on the mac platform. Just like how they killed premier with FCP. You saved the video people now save the designers Apple!!!! Please....

 

[mcarvin]

I know its not likely to happen but I would love it if Apple was able to make a whole CS killer and save us designers on the mac platform. Just like how they killed premier with FCP. You saved the video people now save the designers Apple!!!! Please....

As long as Adobe keeps intending to publish Photoshop for the Mac, and as long as there are Mac users who rely on Photoshop, Apple will never ever release anything that is a threat. Best case is that Apple bundles something less than entry-level along the lines of MS Paint.

 

[Rod Rod]

As long as Adobe keeps intending to publish Photoshop for the Mac, and as long as there are Mac users who rely on Photoshop, Apple will never ever release anything that is a threat. Best case is that Apple bundles something less than entry-level along the lines of MS Paint.

I think they'd call it Mac Paint. I really really want to see Mac Paint return for OS X!

(I'm pretty sure Mac Paint preceded MS Paint historically).

 

[Sir_Giggles]

As long as Adobe keeps intending to publish Photoshop for the Mac... Apple will never ever release anything that is a threat.

Apple Shake and Motion were intended to go against Adobe After Effects and largely they have not yet succeeded in overthrowing it. It will be extremely difficult for Apple to compete against PS, unless Adobe decides to stagnate in incorporating coreimage. But I doubt it.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Apple Shake and Motion were intended to go against Adobe After Effects and largely they have not yet succeeded in overthrowing it. It will be extremely difficult for Apple to compete against PS, unless Adobe decides to stagnate in incorporating coreimage. But I doubt it.

Neither Motion nor Shake compete in the same arena that AE is "king" in. Shake is a hi-end compositing tool and Motion is designed for less painful motion gfx creation. The only Apple product that is really "competeing" against AE is FCP w/it's level of built in compositing tools. Motion is a eMac, Shake is a G5 and AE is a G5 iMac.


Lethal

 

[Dahl]

The "completely reworked" Illustrator is expected to provide a user experience more like that of Photoshop, a new vectorization tool, support for strike-through and underlined text, and other improvements.

This is to me a major reason to consider the upgrade.
I use Illustrator, PS and AE daily and it is annoying that their interfaces are so different looking. It would be great to see Illustrator get more of a PS feel.

 

[JFreak]

Neither Motion nor Shake compete in the same arena that AE is "king" in.

and neither is Logic a king of audio nor FCP a king of video. they are however the industry's 2nd best apps and have potential to grow better. and the same goes to motion/shake, they just are not there yet.

however,

apple pro apps are a lot better than any other competing app in the same price range (if you don't think protools is a free bundle with a hardware purchase).

i guess apple isn't planning to become a de-facto "king". i think apple just stirs the industry and forces everyone to make better R&D, thus benefiting us all. naturally, if adobe chooses to do the same thing they did with premiere, we will be losing apps in the future, too, but it's not apple's fault if apple makes better software than adobe who clearly didn't want to invest in making premiere better. it's not that apple won (because avid is still a lot ahead) but that adobe lost. let's see what happens with AE

 

[Sir_Giggles]

nor FCP a king of video. they are however the industry's 2nd best apps

I dunno. I think FCP is already the number 1 editing program on the desktop. Its already been used to edit Cold Mountain and Napoleon Dynamite. There are several other editing solutions like Liquid, Media100, Canopus, Avio, etc, but they are too fragmented.

 

[beatle888]

Just to caution, if you are one of the people that really need one of these new features, I guess you won't take my opinion too strongly. Like I said, I don't really know how many Pro users are begging for these types of upgrades to an already great app.

i can tell you that personally i could get the same work done with Photoshop 4 (if thats when layers were introduced) than i can in CS. photoshop is my main source of income and has been for the last ten years. these new features make things easier but arent necessary. basically channels, curves, selective color, layers and masks as well as the paint brush are the main tools for compositing/color correction.

 

[areyouwishing]

I can't believe there are people out there that think Adobe is the worst developer.

What would you rather have, a company that releases software to often for your liking, ala Adobe. Or would you rather have a company get around to it when they are ready, ala Quark.

Macromedia is increasingly becoming a Windows company, they are so web development focused now that they are gradually paying less and less attention to design, and the mac, this is why the last round of products have been sub-par.

Quark took how long to come out with Quark 6 for OS X? With how many new features? How long did Macromedia take to produce Freehand for OS X? Wasn't it there almost since the launch of OS X?

My vote goes to Quark and "Clients and Profits" for worst Mac Developer... Clients and Profits just came out with an OS X version of their flagship software in LATE 2004.

 

[Sir_Giggles]

i can tell you that personally i could get the same work done with Photoshop 4 (if thats when layers were introduced) than i can in CS. photoshop is my main source of income and has been for the last ten years. these new features make things easier but arent necessary. basically channels, curves, selective color, layers and masks as well as the paint brush are the main tools for compositing/color correction.

You should try History Brush, Layout Comps, and Vector Masking tools.

 

[LethalWolfe]

For everyone who is poo-pooing the upgrade because it provides no new tools they would use and/or want to take the time to learn just don't buy the new version. But just because YOU wouldn't use any of the new features doesn't mean that NOBODY would use the new features.

and neither is Logic a king of audio nor FCP a king of video. they are however the industry's 2nd best apps and have potential to grow better. and the same goes to motion/shake, they just are not there yet.

My point was that neither Shake nor Motion take on AE head-to-head (and they aren't meant to). Apple isn't "targeting" AE's core customers (the area of the industry where AE is "king"), it's targeting the fringes of AE. If you primarily/only use AE for motion gfx then Motion might be a better option. If you primarily/only do heavy lifting compositing in AE then maybe Shake would be a better option. But if you use the full breadth of AE then Shake and Motion aren't for you (nor have are they meant to be).

I dunno. I think FCP is already the number 1 editing program on the desktop. Its already been used to edit Cold Mountain and Napoleon Dynamite. There are several other editing solutions like Liquid, Media100, Canopus, Avio, etc, but they are too fragmented.

Avid is still King of the Hill. I can think of about a half-dozen known feature films and 1 TV show that use FCP and, basically, everyone else in "Hollywood" uses Avid.

FCP is closing the gap quickly though (especially in the low-budget/indie world where you have to stretch your dollar more). FCP's biggest weaknesses, IMO, exists more in the media management area and the "nuts 'n bolts" part of the program. It's still, relativey speaking, a young program. Avid, for example, has had a much longer time to work on the behind-the-scenes kinks in its software. The success of FCP has caused Avid to offer new products and cut prices in an effort to keep FCP at bay. Which is only good news for the customers. Assuming nothing drastic happens I think by FCP 7 it will (hopefully) have many of the "nuts 'n bolts" problems fixed and be very, very stiff competition against Avid.


Lethal

 

[littlejim]

Adobe GoLive

I didn't see any mention of GoLive?

This is in a desperate need of a major overhaul.

 

[Sir_Giggles]

I didn't see any mention of GoLive?

This is in a desperate need of a major overhaul.

It's dead. Dreamweaver killed it.

 

[Pixeled_Apple]

Photoshop becoming too bloated

Photoshop is my life (and i'm 14 ) I sirously can't live without it. On my window$ comp. I have PS 7 (in progress of gettin CS ) but CS 2.0.. already? Jeez... It's too much; just gettin CS and CS 2.0 comin out! Its gettin too bloated now, sirously.. too much features.. its just gonna kill your sys/mem resources which is just pointless, I use 7 and I create brillant graphix, can do wat most CS users do; and its simple; and efficent. The real question is "Why move to a down/upgraded version while it can do everything you want it to do without hassle?" There's is no need to waste your money; for something that is pointless to your life, computing, etc; and the tougher security system... now thats stupity... comon.. can't they take that people use p2p . So I agree in Mr. Giggles in multiple levels, but I they created software that was exceptionally good; which created eye-blowing images ; but now there had to reck it.

Pixeled_Apple

 

[Platform]

Sounds great

 

[Sir_Giggles]

Photoshop is my life (and i'm 14 ) I sirously can't live without it. ...There's is no need to waste your money; for something that is pointless to your life, computing, etc; and the tougher security system... now thats stupity... comon.. can't they take that people use p2p . So I agree in Mr. Giggles in multiple levels, but I they created software that was exceptionally good; which created eye-blowing images ; but now there had to reck it.

Pixeled_Apple

Huh? 14 you say?

 

[Veldek]

I always wanted to know:

Is Suite pronounced sweet or suit? Or something else?

 

[iGav]

"the ability to select multiple layers and perform manipulations across all of them at the same time"

If this means what it says then I think it's worth it... let alone all of the other stuff.

Too right, Photoshop should have had that ability back in version 3 once layers had become established, it's quite possibly one of my biggest peeves with Photoshop.

Is Suite pronounced sweet or suit? Or something else?

'sweet'

 

[Akira]

It's dead. Dreamweaver killed it.

I wish I could disagree with you. I'm forced to work with Dreamweaver MX and its HORRIBLE FTP-sitemanager to update a maybe even more horrible website at my work, and Dreamweaver MX just keeps f*cking up uploads, placing zero K files on the server AND NOT WARNING ME ABOUT IT!

Macromedia and Quark are BY FAR IMHO the worst Mac software developers.

Call me stubborn but I'll stick to my GoLive CS + Transmit combo, thank you very much....

oh yeah and anyone who says he can do the same work with the same amount of time and effort in Photoshop CS and Photoshop 4 just doesn't know how to use the new features

I've been working with Photoshop since version 3 (not on a professional level, because back then I was still in middleschool or whatever that's called in proper English)

 

[AT71]

I don't like Macromedia and I hate the product activation thingy.

Being an anti-piracy user, I'm locked out by my own license!!!

There's a limited number of times you can activate your Macromedia software. What's more shocking is, there's also a limited number of times you can transfer your Macromedia software license!!! And I have used up all of them, thanks to the screwy Macromedia Studio MX 2004 suite of software. The next time my PowerBook goes down (yes, I only have one machine), I don't know what to do.

 

[HasanDaddy]

Avid better than FCP?

That's news to me

As a Filmmaker, I MUCH MORE prefer FCP over Avid

Avid is, in some cases, more stable and has 'some' better media management - however, FCP has closed the gap, in my opinion, with its ease of use, power, compression options (which is HUGE in the internet age) and its ability to play nice (DVDSP, Motion, etc)

In addition - all Hollywood studios are outfitted for Avid..... however, The American Film Institute (one of two film schools, including Chapman University, that has its own editing department) trains all of Hollywood's future editors on FCP, since the year 2000

AE is on its way out - Motion is just too powerful - that gap will be closed within 6 months

Otherwise, I would love for Apple to build a competition to Photoshop

Hey - they totally displaced Premier, are on their way to displacing AE.... they could DEFINITELY displace Photoshop

 

[HiRez]

Whole version numbers for dot number changes.

Adobe is like the worst Mac developer.

I agree the changes aren't earth-shaking, but come on, Adobe the worst Mac developer? I hope you're not serious. I can honestly say I owe my livelihood over the years to Adobe (and Apple). Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, After Effects, and Acrobat are some of the most amazing software ever produced for any platform. For the most part, they just continue to get better and better each year (although I still cringe when I think of the buggy Illustrator 9 and 10). Life would suck without Adobe.

 

[ooda]

The photoshop upgrades don't really interest me that much as at the moment it does all I need it to do. The Illustrator upgrades sounds a lot more interesting, as does the Indesign upgrade we know nothing about. Still been meaning to find out all the new features in Acrobat 7.

Seems like this will be a good upgrade, but somewhat hasty on Adobes part.