Yes, they are offering the Master Collection for both Windows and Mac for pre-order. Do a search for "Creative Suite" on their Web site. Ships "Late June."
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Yes, they are offering the Master Collection for both Windows and Mac for pre-order. Do a search for "Creative Suite" on their Web site. Ships "Late June."
Right now, I'm using CS3 Beta and it's a helluva lot faster than CS2, obviously...
I can hold out for Photoshop, but the thing I really want, is Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver is s l o w on in Intel Macs.
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Wow, long time passed. My 4,000th post!
I can hold out for Photoshop, but the thing I really want, is Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver is s l o w on in Intel Macs.
EDIT:
Wow, long time passed. My 4,000th post!
I'm just glad this caused Apple to put new images on the Apple store page.
Thank goodness. Something new and exciting besides the iphone and AppleTV
Well.... I'm not crazy about the pretty rainbow packaging...
Thank goodness. Something new and exciting besides the iphone and AppleTV
Well.... I'm not crazy about the pretty rainbow packaging...
UK/US pricing
As everyone is now becoming aware, the UK pricing is more than double the US pricing (at least on upgrades).
We have 6 copies to upgrade - it will save about £2500 to upgrade in the US.
Does anyone know if there are likely to be any restrictions on the software this time - i.e. territory restrictions?
I cannot for the life of me understand why Adobe is being this stupid - all I've heard from freelance friends so far is "I'll get a hacked version when they appear" - if the upgrade was £300 as it is in the US (versus £700 in the UK) they would get *so* much more income: they're effectively encouraging many people to go the illegal route.
We'll buy our copies in the US, get a free holiday, and Adobe will make not a penny more from us as a result - how can that be a good idea???
As everyone is now becoming aware, the UK pricing is more than double the US pricing (at least on upgrades).
We have 6 copies to upgrade - it will save about £2500 to upgrade in the US.
Does anyone know if there are likely to be any restrictions on the software this time - i.e. territory restrictions?
I cannot for the life of me understand why Adobe is being this stupid - all I've heard from freelance friends so far is "I'll get a hacked version when they appear" - if the upgrade was £300 as it is in the US (versus £700 in the UK) they would get *so* much more income: they're effectively encouraging many people to go the illegal route.
We'll buy our copies in the US, get a free holiday, and Adobe will make not a penny more from us as a result - how can that be a good idea???
My thoughts exactly. They can try to counter piracy with activation crap as much as they want, they'll never keep piratez from hacking their license enforcement.
Meanwhile where are the so called advantages of more strict licensing control? Have the prices come down? No. Do they offer more flexible licenses (can you say "floating licenses"?)? No. So, Adobe where is that incentive that makes me want to actually buy your software and not pirate it?
Fair prices for CS3 in Europe
I was so happy when Adobe announced the launch of their new CS3 line of products!
With new products comes new pricing... fair enough. However, prices for the same product (i.e. the mac design upgrade from CS2) go from 599$ for an upgrade in the US to 880$ in Switzerland, the worse being 1'380 $ for the UK or France... not fair enough!
Prices in Europe have always been a little higher, but 230% is pushing it!
I have started a petition to ask for fair pricing. Once I have gathered enough signatures, I will communicate this petition to Adobe and to the European/Swiss commissions of competition.
For a comparison, please checkout this website: http://www.amanwithapencil.com/adobe.html
In the meantime, if you can, don't purchase the upgrade, it's the best pressure we can have...
Thanks for helping us get heard!
I was so happy when Adobe announced the launch of their new CS3 line of products!
With new products comes new pricing... fair enough. However, prices for the same product (i.e. the mac design upgrade from CS2) go from 599$ for an upgrade in the US to 880$ in Switzerland, the worse being 1'380 $ for the UK or France... not fair enough!
Prices in Europe have always been a little higher, but 230% is pushing it!
I have started a petition to ask for fair pricing. Once I have gathered enough signatures, I will communicate this petition to Adobe and to the European/Swiss commissions of competition.
For a comparison, please checkout this website: http://www.amanwithapencil.com/adobe.html
In the meantime, if you can, don't purchase the upgrade, it's the best pressure we can have...
Thanks for helping us get heard!
Since you decided to double post this, I'll double post my refutation of your logic.
In the U.S., Design Premium CS3 costs $1,799.00. In the U.K., Design Premium costs £1,409.00. Your complaint is that this is the equivalent of $2,763.
Here's why that's faulty logic:
According to http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk the average salary for a graphic designer in the U.K. is £36,076. According to http://www.salary.com the average salary for a graphic designer in the U.S. is $43,452.
The U.S. dollar equates to essentially 1/2£s (it's actually .51 right now). This means that the average U.K. graphic designer makes $70,737 U.S. dollars a year.
U.S. $36,076/$1,799 - 4.99% of annual salary
U.K. $70,737/$2,763 - 2.19% of annual salary
Relative to income, CS3 costs LESS in the U.K. than in the U.S..
People always get caught up in the exchange rates, but the truth is, once you earn and spend your money within a country, you find that the income/expense levels are pretty much the same. Sure a £ is worth more globally, but everything also costs more globally as well. It's all a matter of perspective.
In the U.S., Design Premium CS3 costs $1,799.00. In the U.K., Design Premium costs £1,409.00. Your complaint is that this is the equivalent of $2,763.
Here's why that's faulty logic:
According to http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk the average salary for a graphic designer in the U.K. is £36,076. According to http://www.salary.com the average salary for a graphic designer in the U.S. is $43,452.
The U.S. dollar equates to essentially 1/2£s (it's actually .51 right now). This means that the average U.K. graphic designer makes $70,737 U.S. dollars a year.
U.S. $36,076/$1,799 - 4.99% of annual salary
U.K. $70,737/$2,763 - 2.19% of annual salary
Relative to income, CS3 costs LESS in the U.K. than in the U.S..
People always get caught up in the exchange rates, but the truth is, once you earn and spend your money within a country, you find that the income/expense levels are pretty much the same. Sure a £ is worth more globally, but everything also costs more globally as well. It's all a matter of perspective.
I don't want to encourage piracy, but Adobe's pricing has made me go from 99.9% that would purchase a license for photoshop to 100% that I will NOT. Adobe you did a fine job in keep someone from becoming a happy customer
Are you encouraging a boycott or stealing? Boycotts are great. Thankfully there are alternatives to Adobe, some good or at least usable. It would be nice to have more options at lower prices. I only want 5 programs but cannot pick and choose those programs. I have to get a bundle that includes things I either don't want or need.
I don't want to encourage piracy, but Adobe's pricing has made me go from 99.9% that would purchase a license for photoshop to 100% that I will NOT. Adobe you did a fine job in keep someone from becoming a happy customer
Photoshop CS3 upgrade is $200...that's pretty much in line with what the previous versions have launched at. CS2 upgrade right now is $150.
Nothing's really changed price-wise, so why the moaning about some injustice? It has set the bar in the industry, and generates millions of dollars in revenue for Adobe's clients (including me). I think that's a small price to pay.
If you can't afford the latest version, don't buy the latest version. Hell, Photoshop 6 is still a very capable program, and quite cheap.
Bogus logic.
Let us look as one of the books I worked on shal we???
http://www.studio2publishing.com/sh...=2189&osCsid=6f5bebb8ce3d8a9bea06695512382edc
In the US that is $39.99
In the UK
http://www.leisuregames.com/acatalog/Main_Catalogue_Battletech__FanPro__46.html
£22.99 (or $45.26)
But... that $45.26 is after 17.5% VAT ($39.99 + 17.5% = $46.99)
No reason Adobe could not charge approximatly the same for US and UK markets. Now some of the other countries have to pay more for the extra developemtn effort required for their native language versions, but who cares about them...
I should point out that the company producing that game is a US-based subsidiary of a European company. Most of their printing is done in the US (with a few exceptions where it is done in Thailand) - so you can't argue that lower prices are due to it being a "European" product.
Sure... All the Mac users really love the idea of using Rosseta to get their work done...
Adobe are going to rake it in on CS3. They have to. Half their customer base is just not going to touch CS4 unless Apple switch to yet another processor architecture within the next two or three years.
Why am I being forced to buy Acrobat? I didn't need it (OS X PDF support gets the job done), but now I am being gouged with an extra £200 on the upgrade because I "have" to get it.
Adobe is in a unique position of selling a large suit of software that is the lifeblood of their clients' business. I could sell a logo for $50 of $50,000 depending on the client and how they're going to use that image. The tools they're selling return more revenue and thus should cost an appropriate amount more.
Now, the way I see it, Adobe could charge nearly double what they already are in the UK and still be justified. Brits are just used to getting American products for less than we do and are upset that this has a little more relative scale applied to it.
Now, the way I see it, Adobe could charge nearly double what they already are in the UK and still be justified. Brits are just used to getting American products for less than we do and are upset that this has a little more relative scale applied to it.
You'll never hear me arguing in favor of their bundling process. I absolutely believe we should be able to build our own bundle and get a % discount based on how many products you buy.
Adobe is in a unique position of selling a large suit of software that is the lifeblood of their clients' business. I could sell a logo for $50 of $50,000 depending on the client and how they're going to use that image. The tools they're selling return more revenue and thus should cost an appropriate amount more.
Now, the way I see it, Adobe could charge nearly double what they already are in the UK and still be justified. Brits are just used to getting American products for less than we do and are upset that this has a little more relative scale applied to it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip-Off_Britain
Sorry - this just doesn't stack up at all. Why? Because you're viewing this on the basis of individuals only. Try factoring in all the other expenses a *business* has (80% of designers are employed in the UK, not freelance) then re-do your maths. US design companies are generally much more profitable than UK ones (in margin terms). Guess why? Lower operational costs. If we pitch against a US agency, the overall budgets are generally the same in terms of absolute value in one currency or the other.
Most copies of CS3 will be bought *by* companies *for* individuals, and I see no reason why companies in the UK should be forced to pay such a premium for exactly the same product. Well, Adobe, it's simple. We just won't.
Oh, and Apple, it looks like we won't be upgrading those G5's for a while now either...
This is funny
Having been over there this makes me laugh at bit. (I'm not being sarcastic btw).
I like the fact that you said UK makes more. Ok I can live with that assumtion based on your mathematics. But lets take the biggest other factor you missed. The COL. (COST OF LIVING). Ie gas, housing, food etc... I was going to through taxes in there, but everyone is taxed to death lol.
Most things are cheaper by far in the states when you do the conversions. So really even though the UK may make more, their COL is much higher and must be taken into account.
Cheers
Having been over there this makes me laugh at bit. (I'm not being sarcastic btw).
I like the fact that you said UK makes more. Ok I can live with that assumtion based on your mathematics. But lets take the biggest other factor you missed. The COL. (COST OF LIVING). Ie gas, housing, food etc... I was going to through taxes in there, but everyone is taxed to death lol.
Most things are cheaper by far in the states when you do the conversions. So really even though the UK may make more, their COL is much higher and must be taken into account.
Cheers
mkwilson68, Indeed, my numbers are based on an individual, and based on my research of moving to Scotland in the near future.
I have not taken the companies into consideration because I assumed a blanket theory...could you explain why the absolute value operational costs are the same in the UK? I am genuinely interested.
gogojuice, do really want to debate COL including taxes and free university? Do you know what the average person here pays for university? And Medical Expenses? (At least I know these are covered in Scotland, not sure about the rest of the UK).
I have not taken the companies into consideration because I assumed a blanket theory...could you explain why the absolute value operational costs are the same in the UK? I am genuinely interested.
gogojuice, do really want to debate COL including taxes and free university? Do you know what the average person here pays for university? And Medical Expenses? (At least I know these are covered in Scotland, not sure about the rest of the UK).
The logic that the software price should reflect what a certain demographic of a certain percentage of the customer base earns is bizarre.
By that logic tractors for example should cost less in France and Spain than in the UK or America because farmers in these countries get given larger subsidies from the EU.
By that logic tractors for example should cost less in France and Spain than in the UK or America because farmers in these countries get given larger subsidies from the EU.
Are you aware that the Gov here pays farmers for crops that will never be used? And yeah, it depends on how you look at it. If they are made in the U.S. then the absolute value may very well be less in another country where there's less profit margin because then there's less demand....
And by this logic Adobe products should cost here in Brazil about half of what they cost in the US, because we make absolutely NO money here compared to both the US and UK. Still, they cost about three times what they cost there in the US.
Daschund
How did they come up with that as an average? I know very few graphic designers getting paid that much, even in the London area. Just look thru the media jobs listings and see how much you can get. You'll find very little that pays more than £25k.
Everyone and their wife thinks they're a graphic designer/web designer now. 99% of clients place no value on good design. They just want it done cheap. And if you won't do it cheap, there's always some other idiot with a Mac and a pirated copy of Quark/Dreamweaver who will.
(make that a pirated copy of CS3! At these prices I expect the CS3 apps to become the most pirated mac apps in the UK)
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