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Adobe Creative Suite 3 Announced

How Well Will The CS3 Master Collection Round-Trip With Final Cut Studio 6?

CTYankee said:
Can't wait to see how the new Final Cut Studio compares to the video apps from Adobe. FCP is great...but I can't help but wonder if it has left many of us casual consumer use (ie wedding video) editors in the dust (meaning that it has much more than we need) and if Premier Pro has enough to get the job done. The tight integration of the Adobe apps is great...I'll have to try it out to see if it can fill FCP's big shoes.
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I'm more interested in how the CS3 Master Collection integrates with Final Cut Studio 6 than if Premiere CS3 will replace FCS which I am 100% certain it will not. I want to know if After Effects CS3 will round trip from FCS 6 the same way it does for Premiere CS3 or not. Same goes for Photoshiop CS3 Extreme.

No way will Premiere replace FCS 6. Not a chance in Hell.
 
Well that would be ideal!

Multimedia said:
I'm more interested in how the CS3 Master Collection integrates with Final Cut Studio 6 than if Premiere CS3 will replace FCS which I am 100% certain it will not. I want to know if After Effects CS3 will round trip from FCS 6 the same way it does for Premiere CS3 or not. Same goes for Photoshiop CS3 Extreme.

No way will Premiere replace FCS 6. Not a chance in Hell.
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Yes, I agree FCS is amazing and owns the category.

It would be ideal if the integration is tight.

Wonder if anyone out there knows? Any speculators?
 
Multimedia said:
I'm more interested in how the CS3 Master Collection integrates with Final Cut Studio 6 than if Premiere CS3 will replace FCS which I am 100% certain it will not. I want to know if After Effects CS3 will round trip from FCS 6 the same way it does for Premiere CS3 or not. Same goes for Photoshiop CS3 Extreme.

No way will Premiere replace FCS 6. Not a chance in Hell.
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I'm not looking for Premiere to achieve parity with FCP, but wondering if it will do what I need done for my editing which is pretty basic. However if the Adobe apps (PS Extreme and AFX namely) integrate well with FCP then I will be sticking with FCS.

After what I've seen today I'm now considering getting the Productions suite rather than just PS CS3. I need PS and can get good use out of Flash, AFX and Illustrator. For $1200 it adds a lot to my capabilities.
 
upgrade to MC later np

Multimedia said:
MC doesn't even ship until July — four more months from now.
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I just found this on Adobe's site:
http://store.adobe.com/store/en_us/popup/software/creativesuite/mastercollection/mcoffer.html

Step Up To Adobe Creative Suite 3 Master Collection Any Time!
You can purchase an edition* of Adobe Creative Suite® 3 today and then decide to move to the Adobe Creative Suite 3 Master Collection for the difference in price. For example, if you own a previous version of Adobe Creative Suite or Macromedia Studio, you can buy an upgrade to Creative Suite 3 Design Premium today for US$599†. If you later need the full power of Master Collection, you can upgrade to it for US$1,400, rather than US$1,999 (the price you would pay for moving from a previous version directly to Master Collection). To be eligible for this upgrade to Master Collection (and contrary to Section 5 of the End-User License Agreement for Master Collection), you must surrender your rights to, and license for, your original edition of Adobe Creative Suite 3 and uninstall that software

I am not sure this applies to the education version but I do not see why not.
 
it's interesting that the Apple online store doesn't seem to be selling Production Premium CS3, or Master Collection CS3... it's like anything to do with Premier/Soundbooth CS3 is not there (not even as stand alone products)...
 
so I was thinking...I NEED PS asap, but what if I buy one of the suites that has apps not due until July? Will they let you download apps as they are ready?
 
macshui said:
I own a full retail version of Adobe Creative Suite for Windows. I am trying to completely exit the Windows world. I would like to purchase an upgrade version of CS3 (for Mac). Does anyone know Adobe's policy for upgrading across platforms?
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I just took care of this last week.. Call Adobe, direct your call to sales/purchases, (number 3, I believe). Tell them you just switched to a Mac, and want to switch software. They'll have you fax a form that officially cancels your serial. Then they'll send you a brand new boxed version of the Mac software for just the price of shipping. I just converted Photoshop CS2 and Illustrator CS2 for $18, took a week from beginning to end. Best part is, my PC Illustrator was academic, and they sent me the full retail version on MAC. I very strongly recommend you do this ASAP, while they're still selling CS2. Then you can just buy the CS3 upgrade when it comes out, no problem.
 
csista said:
I just converted Photoshop CS2 and Illustrator CS2 for $18, took a week from beginning to end. Best part is, my PC Illustrator was academic, and they sent me the full retail version on MAC. I very strongly recommend you do this ASAP, while they're still selling CS2. Then you can just buy the CS3 upgrade when it comes out, no problem.
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I second that.

I had PSCS windows ACADEMIC version, and when I bought my first mac a few years ago, I switched. Did just as the other poster said - called adobe and went through the cross-platform process. They were extremely friendly and efficient. Within a week I was up and running with a FULL VERSION of PSCS for mac.

They didn't mention that my cross-grade would take me to full version, it just turned out that way when it arrived. I wonder if this is just policy, or lack of oversight, or what. Either way, it looks like it's gonna save me a bundle when I upgrade this time, since I'm no longer eligible for academic pricing.
 
Buy Part Now Get More Later Looks Like It's Not For Academic Buyers

Mikevbf said:
I just found this on Adobe's site:
http://store.adobe.com/store/en_us/popup/software/creativesuite/mastercollection/mcoffer.html

Step Up To Adobe Creative Suite 3 Master Collection Any Time!
You can purchase an edition* of Adobe Creative Suite® 3 today and then decide to move to the Adobe Creative Suite 3 Master Collection for the difference in price. For example, if you own a previous version of Adobe Creative Suite or Macromedia Studio, you can buy an upgrade to Creative Suite 3 Design Premium today for US$599†. If you later need the full power of Master Collection, you can upgrade to it for US$1,400, rather than US$1,999 (the price you would pay for moving from a previous version directly to Master Collection). To be eligible for this upgrade to Master Collection (and contrary to Section 5 of the End-User License Agreement for Master Collection), you must surrender your rights to, and license for, your original edition of Adobe Creative Suite 3 and uninstall that software

I am not sure this applies to the education version but I do not see why not.
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Since I qulify for an Academic version, thanks to my local community college's Digital Media Department, I want to buy the MC for $999. Looks like that offer is only for upgraders. And while I have old versions I could upgrade from, MC would cost $1,399 that route. So my plan is to buy an all new academic set of the MC for less. But I'll be phoning Adobe to make sure the same incremental purchase idea isn't applicable to academic purchases as well. :)
 
recordprod said:
No Elements for us poor people?

:(
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I agree. Haven't seen any good info on Elements for months. I'm thinking that Adobe wants all of the the fence sitters to get the more expensive full version before bringing out the next Elements....:(
 
Big Question: Licensing???

When Adobe released CS, it said it was not concerned with the small number of Mac users who may install CS on a laptop and desktop computer. We were given the impression Adobe would address it in a future release. Are we now going to have to purchase multiple licenses for such a scenario?
 
Darkroom said:
it's interesting that the Apple online store doesn't seem to be selling Production Premium CS3, or Master Collection CS3... it's like anything to do with Premier/Soundbooth CS3 is not there (not even as stand alone products)...
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Are you insinuating something sinister by Apple, or you aren't aware that Premiere/Soundbooth CS3 won't be available until July (Amazon) and Production Premium CS3 and Master Collection CS3 until the third quarter of this year...? :rolleyes:
 
Multimedia said:
We don't have many vocal Fireworks experts here yet. Would you mind commenting on how it may replace ImageReady as the means to file size reduction from within Photoshop CS3 Extreme? Thanks.
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Sure thing!

The studio I used to be creative director of adopted Fireworks as their mainstay webdesign tool after testing it against ImageReady. Fireworks consistently produced better-looking, lower-filesize JPEGs, and using their "WebSnap GIF" setting produced higher-quality, lower-filesize GIFs than ImageReady.

The other cool thing about Fireworks is that it'll open Photoshop files and retain all layers, transparency, layer effects, filters, etc. You don't have to do any file conversion... just save your Photoshop file, open in Fireworks, and export your images.
 
Fireworks Better Than ImageReady For File Size Reduction

nungesser said:
Sure thing!

The studio I used to be creative director of adopted Fireworks as their mainstay webdesign tool after testing it against ImageReady. Fireworks consistently produced better-looking, lower-filesize JPEGs, and using their "WebSnap GIF" setting produced higher-quality, lower-filesize GIFs than ImageReady.

The other cool thing about Fireworks is that it'll open Photoshop files and retain all layers, transparency, layer effects, filters, etc. You don't have to do any file conversion... just save your Photoshop file, open in Fireworks, and export your images.
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So that'll be the roundtrip inside PSCS3Extreme where it says "Save fro Web...". Glad to hear it from an expert. Thanks.

Does the Studio FX 2004 version of Fireworks do all that on PPC Macs. I have that version and never tried it. :eek:
 
Info

I just ordered the Web Premium & InDesign CS3 updates from Apple.com and have a delivery date of April 25th.
 
Clipart was yesterday...

The integration options they demonstrated yesterday were awesome for sure, but what I personally find way more exciting is the support for 3d content within Photoshop.

I think this will give creatives of all kinds a wealth of new possibilities. There are thousands and thousands of high-quality 3d models available out there which are currently only useful to a select few of '3d experts'....

...but suddenly every Photoshop user can easily composit them into his creations :) .

I just received a message from daz3d, who create high quality 3d models for use in Poser and similar 3d applications: They will be exhibiting in the Adobe Plugin pavillion at Photoshop World in Boston next week - very interesting.

Now imagine if you could move that 3d content directly from Photoshop to Flash, or Premiere, or After Effects...:eek:
 
Any Sanctioned Upgrade Gives You License For All...BUT!

Multimedia said:
Yes you get a license for all the products in whatever you upgrade TO. Makes no difference you didn't have it all before.Fantastic. So there's no downside to going academic MC for $999 as far as I can see. Just explain to everyone that Adobe pricing makes buying the MC or even the PP bundle less expensive than buying what you need ala carté.
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That's exactly what I did a few years ago, and saved some bucks.

But now I'm screwed, because Adobe's changed the names of the bundles and the one I bought was orphaned.

As such, while I have all of the components of one of the current bundles, I'm not eligible for that bundle's upgrade price ($400). This means that I'm stuck upgrading ala carté ($760), taking the 'sanctioned upgrade' route you mention ($900) ...or simply not upgrading everything.

The way I see it, at $900 vs $400, Adobe's effectively asking me to pay an extra $500 simply to reestablish that I do indeed have a Bundle.

The general problem that I see with the 'Sanctioned Upgrade' approach is that while it is a nice way to go from one to several Adobe products, it assumes that you only have one (1) existing licence feeding into the Bundle.

In my case, I have five (5) existing Adobe products and I get *zero* credit from Adobe for already having any more than just one in terms of "group discounts" for simultaneous multiple product upgrades.

So much for being a good customer.


-hh
 
Multimedia said:
So that'll be the roundtrip inside PSCS3Extreme where it says "Save fro Web...". Glad to hear it from an expert. Thanks.

Does the Studio FX 2004 version of Fireworks do all that on PPC Macs. I have that version and never tried it. :eek:
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Having not used PS CS3 yet, I can't say what the roundtripping entails. Not sure how Fireworks CS3 and PS CS3 work together.

FX 2004 wasn't as seamless, because when it came out, Adobe & Macromedia were still competitors. But you can open any Photoshop file with it and it'll do a very able job of keeping all your layers and effects. Barring that, save out a flat PSD and use FW to optimize it.
 
Academic/Education IS available for upgrades!

OK, just got off the phone with Adobe. Turns out that yes, Academic versions of their software ARE available to upgrade to full (non-academic) versions.

Sorry for any misinformation I spread on this thread. Whoever the asshat at Adobe was who said that Academic software cannot be upgraded in any way is to blame :rolleyes:
 
csista said:
I just took care of this last week.. Call Adobe, direct your call to sales/purchases, (number 3, I believe). Tell them you just switched to a Mac, and want to switch software. They'll have you fax a form that officially cancels your serial. Then they'll send you a brand new boxed version of the Mac software for just the price of shipping. I just converted Photoshop CS2 and Illustrator CS2 for $18, took a week from beginning to end. Best part is, my PC Illustrator was academic, and they sent me the full retail version on MAC. I very strongly recommend you do this ASAP, while they're still selling CS2. Then you can just buy the CS3 upgrade when it comes out, no problem.
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Seems a bit wasteful. I plan on purchasing the Mac version upgrade when I purchase a MacPro. If my Window's Studio MX serial number doesn't work I'll then call Adobe for a new number. But I sort of doubt I'll have to. ....well, hopefully. :)
 
:mad:

this pricing difference between the states and europe is really annoying

the upgrade to cs3 design premium is $600 (which converts to €450) but on the apple ireland site it's been priced at 1020 euro. go figure that one. more than twice the price.


:mad: :mad: :mad:

edit: adobe UK have it for € 660.00 ex VAT
 
Have You Phoned Adobe Or Lobbied A Supervisor Or Written The CEO?

-hh said:
That's exactly what I did a few years ago, and saved some bucks.

But now I'm screwed, because Adobe's changed the names of the bundles and the one I bought was orphaned.

As such, while I have all of the components of one of the current bundles, I'm not eligible for that bundle's upgrade price ($400). This means that I'm stuck upgrading ala carté ($760), taking the 'sanctioned upgrade' route you mention ($900) ...or simply not upgrading everything.

The way I see it, at $900 vs $400, Adobe's effectively asking me to pay an extra $500 simply to reestablish that I do indeed have a Bundle.

The general problem that I see with the 'Sanctioned Upgrade' approach is that while it is a nice way to go from one to several Adobe products, it assumes that you only have one (1) existing licence feeding into the Bundle.

In my case, I have five (5) existing Adobe products and I get *zero* credit from Adobe for already having any more than just one in terms of "group discounts" for simultaneous multiple product upgrades.

So much for being a good customer.
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Well I certainly wouldn't roll over and play DEAD. :eek: Get busy and start lobbying customer service, the marketing director or the the CEO if need be. Have you even phoned them to explain your situation yet? I would not give up going all the way to the CEO if necessary for a dispensation. You read like you quit before you began. :confused: :eek: :(
 
what did adobe say?

Multimedia said:
So my plan is to buy an all new academic set of the MC for less. But I'll be phoning Adobe to make sure the same incremental purchase idea isn't applicable to academic purchases as well. :)
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Tell me what they say because I want the academic version of MC but do not have to wait until July to get any of the Adobe software. Where did you get the July date?
 
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