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Adobe Creative Suite 3 Unsupported on OS X Snow Leopard

Lame

One more lame example of manufacturers trying to force consumers to buy, buy, buy. Software that works now should keep working. Just because I buy a new desk doesn't mean I should have to get a new ruler and pen. Apple should make sure their new OS doesn't break old software, all the way back to Classic and beyond. Apple's abandonment of Classic is a tragedy. There is a tremendous amount of software, including educational software, that was available for that that is no longer made and there are no replacements. Adobe's just being greedy and lazy.
 
Not entirely great news, but I'd imagine its Adobe being cautious, and covering their bases.

Might be interesting to see if Fireworks MX 04 still runs on SL...

It does seem a bit rubbish if its a ploy to get people to upgrade to CS4, if CS4 isn't optimised for SL.

As someone that just uses Dreamweaver CS3, and Fireworks MX 04, I was seriously looking to upgrade to a SL friendly CS5 studio edition.
 
Bubba Satori said:
With regards to backward capability. Sure I understand it. I've been selling Macs for four years. How about you ?

http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/08/24/mac-os-106-snow-leopard-hands-august-28/
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Four years? Four whole years. Impressive. Look I've been using Apple computers since 1982. I've been using Macs since 1987. My first Mac was a Mac II SE with a glorious 20MB HD. So, yes, I'm quite familiar with backward compatibility as I've been though EVERY single one of Apple's many changes. In each one of them, at some point Apple rings the bell and says "closing time, folks." It's closing time for PPC. Time to move on to the Intel bar.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
Four years? Four whole years. Impressive. Look I've been using Apple computers since 1982. I've been using Macs since 1987. My first Mac was a Mac II SE with a glorious 20MB HD. So, yes, I'm quite familiar with backward compatibility as I've been though EVERY single one of Apple's many changes. In each one of them, at some point Apple rings the bell and says "closing time, folks." It's closing time for PPC. Time to move on to the Intel bar.
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Oh boy. Here we go. And I was eating apples before Steve Jobs was even born. I even invented Apricot Computer but for some arbitrary reason people preferred Apple for their fruit-named computer needs. I was the one who dropped the apple on Newton's head that made him have all of those important epiphanies and stuff.
 
I can't believe I'm about to say this:
Adobe 2009 = Quark 1999.

I also can't believe I'm about to say this:
Quark needs to add a vector program, a photo editor, and a website editor. Adobe needs the competition.

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I'll also weigh in on the backwards compatibility debate. Yeah. I agree that Adobe should at least support CS3 and release an upgrade for full Snow Leopard compatibility. But I also buy the party line that they probably lack the resources to do that right now, as I'm pretty sure there have been some layoffs at Adobe due to the economy.

CS3 works okay for me. Leopard works fine for me. I'm probably not going to upgrade either until CS5 makes an appearance. That's not going to cause me any significant burden at all.
 
failed to install

I tried to install cs3 on a clean install of 106 yesterday and it didn't work. Some of the useless apps were installed, but PS, Il, and Indesign failed.
 
JohnnyLemonhead said:
Oh boy. Here we go. And I was eating apples before Steve Jobs was even born. I even invented Apricot Computer but for some arbitrary reason people preferred Apple for their fruit-named computer needs. I was the one who dropped the apple on Newton's head that made him have all of those important epiphanies and stuff.
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Geez, talk about weak stuff.

I'm the one who decided to keep the mutated plant on which the first apples ever grew because I thought it looked pretty.:D
 
This is bad news. I'm using the Photoshop Elements 6 - the latest version out there for the Mac to edit my personal photos. It's pretty old and for whatever reason Adobe still has yet to release version 7 to catch up to the Windows version. I really hope it works on Snow Leopard without issue because I can't/won't spend the $600 that Adobe wants to upgrade to CS4. :(
 
bobr1952 said:
http://www.pixelmator.com/support/viewtopic.php?t=2097
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Heh.

From: Sebastiaan, Pixelmator Team
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:13 pm
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"The answer is that snow leopard is supported from the moment it is released. So you should be able to buy snow leopard when it hits the shelf, install it and run Pixelmator without any problems."

I'm not surprised. Small Mac developers usually always do the right thing.
 
pubwvj said:
Software that works now should keep working.
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It does, in the environment for which it was created- it even probably works in the new environment, but you're not paying for maintenance and Adobe's decided they can't afford to support it for free.

pubwvj said:
Just because I buy a new desk doesn't mean I should have to get a new ruler and pen. Apple should make sure their new OS doesn't break old software, all the way back to Classic and beyond. Apple's abandonment of Classic is a tragedy. There is a tremendous amount of software, including educational software, that was available for that that is no longer made and there are no replacements. Adobe's just being greedy and lazy.
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If there's a market for old software, go ahead and write it- that's what a free market economy is all about! Otherwise, write an emulator for the Classic environment. Adobe has to answer to its shareholders, who want to see new products and new sales. Software maintenance is typically 20% per-year- but I don't see anyone here crying about not paying for maintenance, and I don't think it's totally unreasonable for Adobe to say "If Apple breaks something, we're not going to be left holding the bag."

it's not even like you couldn't just keep a bootable disk around with the latest version of the OS that it worked on there either.
 
RebootD said:
If you were say a component supplier for HDTV's and Samsung says to you "Hey we are switching platforms but only 50/50 for now, so you need to support both" you would have to pay to retool your plant at your own expense to keep them as a customer.

Then a couple years later Samsung comes back and says "Yeah we are releasing another major revision so we are now scrapping the old platform, but we want you to keep supporting the older platform but we aren't going to pay you to do so" you once again have to stop everything and retool a second time in only three years at your expense.

Meanwhile your plant supporting Toshiba has had small changes but the core components have stayed the same for 9 years and hasn't required a retooling in almost a decade.

Now, which company would you rather do business with? I'm guessing not Apple.. sorry I mean Samsung. ;)
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You're comparing apples and lemons, so to speak.

Software is not like manufacturing physical goods. If there is a problem in CS3 it is likely the problem exists in CS4 as well. They could put one engineer, maybe even part time, fixing problems with CS3 and SL and then passing along those fixes to the CS4/CS5 teams. Since they all share a lot of code this would probably be helpful for them and it would make the customer base happier about staying with Adobe.

If CS cost something like $50 I wouldn't complain, but the price is somewhere between $500 and $900 depending on how you buy it. For that kind of money you expect them to fix some bugs. Apple still releases security updates for Tiger and that costs much less than CS.
 
WebbDogg said:
InDesign crashes occasionally and all the programs occasionally crash on startup.
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You mean like how CS2, CS3, and CS4 apps have always done? :D Illustrator CS2 (in Tiger... at work... on a G5) regularly crashes on startup. Photoshop CS4 at home crashes all the friggin time — I've never used a more unstable version of Photoshop. Sometimes I want to go back to CS1 or 7.0 just because it was so much more solid.

It may be lame but I don't see why it should be any surprise that they don't want to support an old version of their product. CS2 was horribly buggy running in Rosetta but they never updated that either. Adobe's been going downhill for a long time... they really need a competitor in the professional world.
 
John.B said:
Well isn't that overly simplistic?

What happens when you have to replace a machine after this Friday?
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I'd like to think that Apple would still sell copies of Leopard for people who want to upgrade their PPC machines from Tiger.

Of course, that raises the question of whether or not Leopard will even install on new machines released after Friday.
 
JohnnyLemonhead said:
Oh boy. Here we go. And I was eating apples before Steve Jobs was even born. I even invented Apricot Computer but for some arbitrary reason people preferred Apple for their fruit-named computer needs. I was the one who dropped the apple on Newton's head that made him have all of those important epiphanies and stuff.
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Ha! When Himself said "Let there be light!" I'm the one who flipped the switch! :D
 
Is Adobe the only major developer on the Mac that is still clinging to their outdated legacy code? Orginally Carbon was created for Adobe, Macromedia, Microsoft and the like. It was to help them make the transition to OSX. Carbon was never supposed to be an end all scenario. I mean, OSX came out when? 2000? 2001? They've had years to get Cocoa compliant but didn't. I guess there's always hope they will see the light for CS5. :rolleyes:

So glad I've been using Pixelmator and other apps from smaller developers that have embraced OSX. They all are pretty much Snow Leopard ready.

Let's hear it for the little guys! :D
 
As a graphic design and photography major who doesn't support pirating software, if CS3 stops working then...

*cough* 70RR3N7 *cough*

CS4, at least on the PC, is really bad. Like really bad. Don't even try using the new Open GL crap. It will crash all the time. I had illustrator crashing constantly. I also don't like the new way it handles tabbed windows. Horrible. Garbage.

Is the mac version as terrible on CS4? There is no reason to upgrade until CS5, and Adobe knows it. That's the reason for this.
 
jaw04005 said:
Heh.

From: Sebastiaan, Pixelmator Team
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:13 pm
Post subject: Reply with quote

"The answer is that snow leopard is supported from the moment it is released. So you should be able to buy snow leopard when it hits the shelf, install it and run Pixelmator without any problems."

I'm not surprised. Small Mac developers usually always do the right thing.
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You said it!
 
RebootD said:
I used to place the blame solely on Adobe but you have to throw some at Apple as well for this.

During the last two major CS releases Apple has switched to platforms to Intel (a huge change and a lot of code), switched to Cocoa forcing Adobe to scrap 64bit Carbon code on the mac side and is now dropping PPC support for Snow Leopard forcing Adobe to again modify their code (for the better).

On top of all that they have to support two versions of CS4 while trying to rewrite CS5 for the Mac and continue developing it for Windows. (a much larger user base) As crappy as it is for CS3 users I can see how they don't want to spend the time to re-work a previous release to once again meet another shift in Apple's OS and legacy support. (as in no more PPC)

I think a warm place just froze over because I just defended Adobe! :eek:
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It's Adobe's choice to dumb down the Mac version to look the same as the windows version. They could have chosen a different path. I don't know recent numbers but as of not too long ago Adobe got roughly half their revenue from Mac users.
 
:rolleyes:
I don't use CS3 for anything more than my own personal stuff but it sucks to hear them treat owners this way.
 
Cougarcat said:
WHAT?! The new UI is a frickin' disaster, with that outrageously silly nonstandard menubar, horrible tabs functionality, and expose breakage. Adobe insists on implementing their own crappy window implementations which breaks everything. Head on over to Adobe UI Gripes for some laughs, or tears, depending on how you look at it.
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As bad as iTunes ? :eek:
 
John.B said:
Well isn't that overly simplistic?

What happens when you have to replace a machine after this Friday?
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Not over simplistic at all, good common sense based on the usual bleeding stumps early adoption pain. Replace a machine after Friday? Oh I see my old Mac broke I need a new one what other reason is there to buy a new Mac - I don't see any worthwhile reasons otherwise. That is a whole different scenario to all this hysteria about "when I am I going to get my new OS, I can't wait" nonsense. As for Adobe - they have trousered thousands of pounds of my IT budget and given me precious little in recent times in return - that I can't get for less elsewhere. So I am not surprised by this big announcement, the sooner the current Board of Directors at Adobe disappear off the planet the better - they have turned Adobe into a greedy grasping corporation.
 
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