Sorry, but the great void is NOT bridged in any way by the iMac. They could never charge the same amount for that computer without the monitor and simply make it a smaller enclosure. It would be way overpriced, and nobody would buy it. You could buy a much more powerful desktop PC, plus a 24" monitor, and still save hundreds of dollars. Not everybody who uses a desktop computer needs to buy a new monitor every time they want a new computer.
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Adobe Creative Suite 3 Unsupported on OS X Snow Leopard
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Sorry, but the great void is NOT bridged in any way by the iMac. They could never charge the same amount for that computer without the monitor and simply make it a smaller enclosure. It would be way overpriced, and nobody would buy it. You could buy a much more powerful desktop PC, plus a 24" monitor, and still save hundreds of dollars. Not everybody who uses a desktop computer needs to buy a new monitor every time they want a new computer.
Interesting.
Seems Adobe is on a slow, gradual, downward slide. I don't really use any of the Creative Suite products, but from what I'm hearing, Adobe isn't held in very high regard these days.
Might be time for another developer to step in.
Who says you *have* to buy a new CS suite when it comes out? Who says you need SL either.
A true working professional wouldn't upgrade right away anyway, is this just a case of wanting the latest in shiny shiny?
Sense of entitlement?
Are you deliberately not reading the posts where people say their CS3 is working with SL.
Did someone plant a mass hysteria script in the Macrumors forum this morning ?
Untwist the panties, girls.
You're like an island of rational thought, well done. Panties are twisted as usual in MR. Sometimes I wonder why Arn bothers to get up in the morning knowing this happens day in day out.
Forget it man, I think people just go to the first page and send a reply without actually reading any of the other comments.
I'm sitting here with a Ben & Jerrys reading these comments, they are hilarious.
But on a more serious note, of all the things happening in the world at the moment that should evoke fear and anger, CS3 not being supported on SL isn't one of them.
One more time Captain Sparrow, CS3 is working with SL.
Find a better lame excuse to steal software and rob the devs who create it.
Just don't come into my store and do it. We caught a couple of punks stealing $10,000 of Office Professional last month. They had a better excuse. They were meth addicts and couldn't help themeselves.
Exactly! I'm not rushing to push out Snow Leopard at our nonprofit at all - in fact, I've got Intels running Tiger just fine, and am finally just about to update our designer's G5 tower to Leopard. There's no sense in pushing out an immature version of an OS update when I don't need to.
But, the way Apple sells its hardware/software combination, gods forbid I'm able to install an earlier OS than what Apple currently has on the market. So, if my designer's tower somehow drops dead next week, my choice will then be to either replace it with someone else's Intel workstation (not optimized for her design work) to preserve CS3 compatibility (which BTW is a legal copy), or buy a new design system with 10.6, which won't run CS3 very well if at all. At which time I'll be damned if I'm going to spend money on CS4, and thus my earlier statement about bootlegs and keygens.
For that matter, general workstation and laptop replacements are now going to start shipping with 10.6.0 - so again, gods forbid one of my videographer's laptops gets dropped and I need to replace it with new equipment, or our video worstation goes kablooie.
I sometimes think that people who make these highly reductive "well then, don't upgrade/buy it/use it" statements either have more money then they know what to do with or have never managed a real life budget and user demands. It's all well and good for me to have a 5-year-old G5 iMac at home and run OpenOffice, GIMP, and all the open-source software in the world powered by my own sense of self satisfaction, but it's an entirely different story when you've got to deal with organizational money, budget priorities, de facto industry standards, deadlines and competing levels of end-user knowledge, requirements and experience - especially in the nonprofit sector.
Why is everyone surprised?
I certainly wasnt running to upgrade to a new OS without compatibility assurance from software vendors. I rarely see corporations and/or experienced professionals jump to a new OS without thorough evaluation. It's surprising that some would be so foolish
Adobe is making a smart business move. I find it hilarious and hypocritical when you all bring up terms like "greed" and justifying pirated software when anyone but Apple makes move to guarantee profits.
Anyhow this is much ado about nothing as the software presently works, but watch out for OS updates. If you are making moola with CS3, it would be prudent to keep your stuff as is. Having the latest and greatest doesn't always show the ROI we think it will.
I certainly wasnt running to upgrade to a new OS without compatibility assurance from software vendors. I rarely see corporations and/or experienced professionals jump to a new OS without thorough evaluation. It's surprising that some would be so foolish
Adobe is making a smart business move. I find it hilarious and hypocritical when you all bring up terms like "greed" and justifying pirated software when anyone but Apple makes move to guarantee profits.
Anyhow this is much ado about nothing as the software presently works, but watch out for OS updates. If you are making moola with CS3, it would be prudent to keep your stuff as is. Having the latest and greatest doesn't always show the ROI we think it will.
Agreed, I think they have such a bad reputation because they refuse to keep up Apple technology or ignore it completely. At this point their software seems like overly expensive, bloated, non-standard Mac software.
I hope to see some really good things with Pixelmator 1.5 hopefully it will be enough to finally get rid of Photoshop CS3 for me.
The best software on OS X either comes from A)Apple or B)Small/Indie developers.
And the worst is almost always from these big, slow, and arrogant companies like Adobe, MS, and Intuit.
I'm sorry - I have to ask.
Why do you think you have a god-given right to use CS4? For that matter, is Apple holding a gun to your head and requiring you to purchase Snow Leopard?And where do you get off blaming Adobe for your decision to steal from them?
"She was wearing a short skirt" isn't a viable excuse. I'll be happy if they catch you. You can choose to try your luck with CS3, you can choose to not update the OS, you can choose to update to CS4, but choosing to steal says more about your character than theirs. Announcing your intent in a public forum says that your intelligence probably matches your morals.
First, if you're going to redact my words, don't call it a quote.
I'm not downloading CS4 for its "features". I'm getting insurance since Adobe is failing to support me. I could care less about CS4 as CS3 works great for me. I've been buying Adobe software for over a decade while everybody around me was pirating.
However, if Adobe thinks its a good move to stop supporting a very large part of their installed base -- it's well known that CS4 was a commercial failure -- some of which bought CS3 as recently as just a year ago for nearly $2K, then they're encouraging piracy as a stop gap. I have every intention on buying CS5 once it's released.
If they want to charge a Pro price for their suite, they better offer Pro level support as well.
CS3 may work now (even with reports that it doesn't install and several people are finding critical bugs) but who's to say it will continue to work with 10.6.1 going forward?
I've already ordered a Mac Pro and a MacBook Pro set to arrive with SL installed. I fully expect my $1,700 investment in Adobe's software to be working and supported for at least 2 generations.
1. "We're not supporing it" isn't the same as "It broked and we're not fixing it" at this point in time- they're just reserving the right for the two to join in the future.
2. Just keep a bootable external drive around- surely you'd do that before an OS upgrade anyway?
It's akin to saying, 'This Coca-Cola tastes like crap, from now on I'm not going to buy it, I'm going to steal it and still drink it.'
There ARE alternatives on the shelves guys.
Another problem is that people will watch you drink the Coca-Cola and assume you like that stuff and will then contribute to their bottom line by buying it themselves. You're doing them a favour by pirating it still.
Nope. 10.5 Leopard has already been pulled from the Apple Store online. I would imagine it's either gone or going from the retail Apple Stores also.
If you need 10.5, you better get it.
Yeah, continuing that overly simplistic theme, why not just go straight to snarky?
Are you assuming that a hypothetical replacement Mac bought after Friday will continue to have Leopard support?
As one example, I know for a fact that Tiger isn't supported on my Late 2007 BlackBook, despite the fact that Leopard was released in that same time frame. It shipped with Leopard and that's what is supported on it. (I went through this with some FireWire-based audio interface hardware that was slow to get Leopard support.)
So what's to say that your replacement MBP or Mac Pro or whatever that you have to buy next month will continue to have Leopard (10.5) support? And, if not, what do you do for critical apps that don't run correctly on SL (10.6)?
I hate to nitpick but this has to stop, can you actually care less? If so, do so then say 'couldn't care less.'
I don't want CS4. I tried the trial and I hate it. At the same time, I want to use SL and if I can't use CS3, then ill download CS4. I'm not going to pay $300 for software thats marginally "better".
I disagree.
And if Adobe UI Gripes had the balls to allow comments, people could explain why a few of their posts are only because they don't know what they're doing — i.e. this:
http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/post/118403202/photoshop-same-smart-object-only-one-flipped
It's because their smart object is not positioned exactly on the pixel or isn't a round number of pixels wide. It makes perfect sense. Size that **** correctly and position it so that it's actually sitting on the grid, and it WOULD look identical.
I'm not saying it's perfect, or that it couldn't be improved upon; I just like it more than CS3's UI.
You're assuming a replacement Mac bought after Friday won't continue to have Leopard support. If you're that concerned, buy another Mac now before Apple update their lines.
Your alternatives then are to buy second hand or refurb. If people can still run an original 1984 Macintosh today, I'm sure you can still find a replacement machine for whatever computer you're running now when it fails.
No, Adobe isn't "encouraging piracy as a stop gap." Dishonest people are. Honest people don't steal. You have several choices: Buy Leopard now and update once CS5 comes out, upgrade to CS4 (doesn't matter if it was "a commercial failure or not, it works, it's supported on the OS you wan to use," Try to get Adobe to change their policy, try to get Apple to accept responsibility for new incompatibilities, or write a compatibility library.
Crack addicts try to justify stealing too- that doesn't make it not theft.
Nobody, which is why Adobe is saying they're not going to support it on yet another OSX iteration.
One could argue that Tiger and Leopard are indeed two generations. Apple are the ones changing the environment, you should be making sure they're shipping a platform that works with your applications.