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Most people understand that flash is mainly used on the web...

That is also it's unique selling point. Without that, well, there are other possibly better suited cross platform solutions available as well.
 
They're killing Flash ... now?

But Android devices are now being loaded with Quad-Core NVidia chipsets! Surely now they won't be sluggish pieces of crap!

I thought that was the Android-solution to terrible performance. Keep throwing hardware at the problem until it went away (instead of improving the code). Just make sure to keep your device plugged in all day so you can play that Flash.

Now what will those terrible devices boast in their commercials? They advertised "Flash" like it was a good thing. Apple knew it was crap. People that actually used it knew it was crap. Now Adobe admits it is crap, and is (thankfully) doing something about it.

I have three Android devices, and I make damn sure Flash is disabled on all of them. It's horrible. "Android with Flash" (the "real Internet", as the commercials say) gave such a sub-par browsing experience compared to any of my iOS devices.

I'd just like to point out that performance isn't the only issue with trying to run flash on these devices. Many flash apps just don't work right on a touchscreen. Specifically those that rely on mouse hover and/or key bindings.
 
I beg to differ guy. Most people understand that flash is mainly used on the web but overall it is a old, slow technology that had its day - but needs to be rested. Cant keep relying on the same technology for ever now can we?

If we were to compare Oil to flash - we would never inovate and move on from the technology. We needed something better more efficient ( electrick to gas as an example ). Don't say people dont know what it is when most of the people on here are hard core enthusiast's.

If that was indeed the case, you wouldnt see people proclaiming that HTML5 is ready to replace Flash, and that h264 > Flash.
 
And all fanboys screaming... predicting html5 replaces flash and never wrote a single line of code. weird.
I can't understand why's this a good news to celebrate. You couldn't run flash on the ios devices, so this doesn't effects you in any way.


such an embarrassing statement

lol this is the type of comments i would expect from the android fanboys that when flash finally came out on their phones rejoiced that they had a feature the iPhone didnt, even though it never matter. I dont have to go any further look at all your negatives...lol
 
That is also it's unique selling point. Without that, well, there are other possibly better suited cross platform solutions available as well.

But none of them have yet to gain any traction. Java FX seems like a lost opportunity, and i doubt that thing Google is pushing will succeed any time soon either. So yeah. What solutions, really?
 
I'm fine with Flash dying. But I'm not fine with all the web sites that still use flash and don't seem to show any signs of moving over to HTML5 or whatever. So, that problem still remains.
 
I beg to differ guy. Most people understand that flash is mainly used on the web but overall it is a old, slow technology that had its day - but needs to be rested. Cant keep relying on the same technology for ever now can we?

The first version of HTML came out several years before Adobe Flash did, so by your logic we should be retiring HTML as well. The reality is that Flash from 1996 is nothing like Flash in 2011. Just like how HTML 2.0 in 1995 is totally different to HTML5 in 2011.

If we were to compare Oil to flash - we would never inovate and move on from the technology. We needed something better more efficient ( electrick to gas as an example ). Don't say people dont know what it is when most of the people on here are hard core enthusiast's.

EXCELLENT example! I agree that Humanity needs to get away from fossil fuels for a number of reasons (high cost, finite supply, environmental impact etc.), but the alternatives are either not fully baked or are too expensive to implement.

The same can be said of Flash and Web Standards.

The HTML5 <video> tag allows you to play a video in a web page, but Flash can do far more than just play the video. That's why YouTube isn't using HTML5 Video by default and why it's not available on all videos. For many organisations it simply wont work as well as a Flash implementation will.

The same can be said of features like SVG, Canvas, Web Sockets etc.

Over time these features will get better as the specification is developed and as web browsers implement these features. RIGHT NOW Flash is going to make a lot more sense for many sites.
 
If that was indeed the case, you wouldnt see people proclaiming that HTML5 is ready to replace Flash, and that h264 > Flash.

That is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about that HTML5 is a newborn and can be ready to take over flash when its more mature. At this point it can handle many tasks better then flash. But, not all. So when that time comes i would prefer to have no flash on the web. I personally never liked it and the #1 reason my mac/pc crash is because of this god awful plugin. And who the hell wants to hear " congratulations! you just won a brand new ipod! " over their speakers not knowingly? flash ads are incredibly annoying and its a security rish.
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3)

Oh, man, I can't wait to see how the Flash-addicted spin this announcement! I'm literally LOLing!

Paging Flashmaster Knight... ;)
 
The first version of HTML came out several years before Adobe Flash did, so by your logic we should be retiring HTML as well. The reality is that Flash from 1996 is nothing like Flash in 2011. Just like how HTML 2.0 in 1995 is totally different to HTML5 in 2011.



EXCELLENT example! I agree that Humanity needs to get away from fossil fuels for a number of reasons (high cost, finite supply, environmental impact etc.), but the alternatives are either not fully baked or are too expensive to implement.

The same can be said of Flash and Web Standards.

The HTML5 <video> tag allows you to play a video in a web page, but Flash can do far more than just play the video. That's why YouTube isn't using HTML5 Video by default and why it's not available on all videos. For many organisations it simply wont work as well as a Flash implementation will.

The same can be said of features like SVG, Canvas, Web Sockets etc.

Agreed. Flash has a birhtday of nearly 10 years or more. HTML5 is barely 2 mainstream. Give it a couple of more years and watch it go beyond anyones expectations.
 
The first version of HTML came out several years before Adobe Flash did, so by your logic we should be retiring HTML as well. The reality is that Flash from 1996 is nothing like Flash in 2011. Just like how HTML 2.0 in 1995 is totally different to HTML5 in 2011.

HTML is not executing, it's only markup, if the parsing is slow or not comes down to your browser. Parsing HTML is not a hard problem (or at least XHTML :p).
 
That is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about that HTML5 is a newborn and can be ready to take over flash when its more mature. At this point it can handle many tasks better then flash. But, not all. So when that time comes i would prefer to have no flash on the web. I personally never liked it and the #1 reason my mac/pc crash is because of this god awful plugin. And who the hell wants to hear " congratulations! you just won a brand new ipod! " over their speakers not knowingly? flash ads are incredibly annoying and its a security rish.

And when is that? As in, when will such changes shine through? 2020?

Im no fan of Flash either, but that is no justification for ignorance.

p.s.

How will HTML5 ads saying "congratulations! you just won a brand new ipod!" be any better?
Flash is not to blame for ads being annyoing. Ad makers are.
 
Yay

People need to start using html5 more, why is flash still so popular when they could just as easily use html5 to work on any device basically? You might way flash works on more devices but computers don't come with it. It's just as easy to download an updated browser (and more important) as it is to download a cpu hogging extension.
 
GOOD GOOD GOOD.

Put the nail in the coffin, flash is garbage on mobile devices period. It sucks battery which is something most mobile devices already do in a fantastic way without it. Let's move on to the next technology meant for mobile devices.
 
People need to start using html5 more, why is flash still so popular when they could just as easily use html5 to work on any device basically? You might way flash works on more devices but computers don't come with it. It's just as easy to download an updated browser (and more important) as it is to download a cpu hogging extension.

Flash was around for a long time. Some things take a while to die. Some folks take a while to wake up to reality.

A chicken with its head cut off still runs around like a maniac. Give it some time.
 
I wonder if this spells relief for Steve Jobs' family, like they're all waking up this morning saying "Dad can rest easier knowing that Flash is surely fading away!" :)
 
I'm fine with Flash dying. But I'm not fine with all the web sites that still use flash and don't seem to show any signs of moving over to HTML5 or whatever. So, that problem still remains.

Yup, the Nike website is a horror to navigate. You'd think a massive global brand like Nike would have made the move years ago. Their website makes me want to gouge my eyeballs.
 
People talk about killing Flash and that it's some fault of website owners for still using it - but the issue revolves more around the designers creating the sites using Flash.

The alternative technologies need to push designers forward if the change-over is going to happen.

Another issue is that even instituting the change costs money and if a website owner has already spent their budget on their site, you're not going to see any change happen until the next budget cycle - and if the designer they have working on their site doesn't know how to design around something other than Flash, then it becomes even more problematic.
 
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