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I've seen the argument about flash as a games development platform. The difference is that for running flash in the browser, Adobe had a unique position, but for native game development there are already lot's of mature frameworks available that is aimed directly at games.
 
Apple killed flash.

Really? Aren't there more Android devices and widening the gap? It was a dead tech and the were using smoke and mirrors until they had a new strategy
The Apple haters are the ones that made a big deal out of it, forcing Adobe to comment and Apple to respond. Their stock would have tanked if investors knew their format was dead.
 
Too Bad.

But I think there is hope yet for a re refocused and re imagined FLASH for Mobile.

Its not dead, they just need to regroup and think it out. And thats good

really? seriously? because all companies say 'discontinued' when they mean, 'regrouping to think it out.'

And they said Steve had a reality distortion field.

Flash. Mobile. Discontinued.

but that's good :)

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this is an excellent example of how ignorant some people can be in respect to the Apple/Adobe/flash issue. Although MR did not summarize the issue well iMHO.

Apple fought against flash *apps* while adobe is dropping the flash *browser plugin*. Completely different things.

Anyone remember the uproar when Apple banned CS5-generated iOS flash apps the day after CS5 was released? (which is EXACTLY when Adobe "whined, screamed, bitched and moaned about it")
Yup, that was NOT about the flash player that's being killed today.

ignorant is a big word to toss around, would help to have your own facts correct.

Apple fought adobe's common platform environment for aps which included flash, true.

But they did not support, include, however you want to say 'not going to happen' flash in browsers. It's effectively the same thing.

No flash on IOS. Flash support for mobile devices discontinued (though struggling on with old versions now).
 
And BTW those who can't stand Flash ads and complain abut them at least they can block them and turn off Flash. Once HTML5 ads hit the road and replace Flash ads I don't know what you will be able to do about it since it will be intergrated part of the website instead of an add on.

They'll be blocked the same way they are now. The ads aren't kept on the website, they come from an ad domain.
 
As stubborn as Steve Jobs seems at times, he is always right on the money! :D

No. He made a lot of good decisions - but he also made several bad ones. Let's not go overboard.

FINALLY. I can't stand Flash. HTML5 can do so much more.

Actually - no. HTML5 can't do a lot of what Flash can and right now - there's no standards across browsers so it's not quite there "yet" - but here's hoping that cross-browser implementations work sooner rather than later
 
Oh come one people don't bite it!

Jobs was never against Flash playing videos on iOS, he was about Flash being interactive content driver that avoids app store.

One fact : the iPhone was released with no app store and no flash...

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They're not doing much to 'develop' a mobile version - it'll just be a divergent CSS theme to display in a smaller window.

Developing flash and HTML5 separately is an order of magnitude more work. Your analogy is flawed.

Good designers adapt the CSS, bad designers creates separated website versions
 
They're not doing much to 'develop' a mobile version - it'll just be a divergent CSS theme to display in a smaller window.

Not my experience at all. Shopping for cars recently, I found the manufacturer mobile versions to contain much less content than the actual site. It's not just a CSS theme at all.

Same for Macrumors' mobile forum, it's not just a CSS theme.

People are really making mobile versions that are separate from the actual site and even serving it from a different sub-domain usually (m.domain.com instead of www.domain.com).
 
Don't mess with Mossberg.

I guess Uncle Walt was right! :eek:

walt-mossberg-tells-adobe-ceo-to-his-face-that-flash-sucks-on-android_1.png

Uncle Walt's expression, just last summer, on being told how great it is that so many mobile devices do Flash.
 
We're using MacRumors as an example of good design now? >.> (j/k)

No, we're using it as an example of bad design that needs to stop being the trend. ;)

Steve Jobs in 2007 told us he was bringing the full desktop browsing experience to a mobile device. In 2011, developers insist on shoving down mobile crap to this device. Why ? Stop doing that.

As far as the direction sites should be going it is graceful degradation. This basically means ones "site" that will strip features to match the browser. In other words, stop developing one site to work everywhere (i.e. the IE6 target should no longer be used). While I think such a philosophy can be used to justify a flash and non-flash site, it probably easier to just go non-flash.

That's the concept behind HTML/CSS in the first place. Write to the standard, and the browsers will simply ignore and not render what they don't understand.

Of course, sometimes it causes "breakage" hence why some adjustments need to be made. Usually though, you can get away with only 1 or 2 different CSS files.

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You basically have to be an XML programmer now,

Uh ? You mean writing an XML parser ? Because writing XML is not programming, XML is a markup language, not a programming language.
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3)

White flag no more auditions.
 
This is the title of your article:

"Adobe Discontinues Development of Flash Player on Mobile Devices"

Would it have been more correct if it had read: Adobe Discontinues Development of Flash Player on Apple's Mobile Devices?
 
This is good news for all mobile users, including iPhone users. Why? Because as long as Adobe puts out a mobile version of Flash, some content providers will slack and just support it. Now, without Flash on mobile devices and a growing Internet usage of mobile users, content providers will have to adapt, bringing more content to HTML5 and so on, and thus making more content available to iPhone users.

So it is a good thing because iPhone users have had a worse experience for the last 3 years due to the lack of Flash?
 
I'm no expert when it comes to flash, but I think most Actionscript programmers are going to find their futures in programming Adobe AIR apps rather than internet content. Flash still lives on in desktop web browsers, but its popularity is falling rapidly.
Im not a coder but work with many over the years. Just the bs between AS2 and AS3 is enough of a head-ache for coders to date. Cant imagine what their going through after this news :p
 
i bet the flash people are regretting writing a photo editing app and movie app for the first iMac now. Hahaha adobe :p
 
For all of Flash's problems (Flash is very good for many things), at least Adobe is good at adapting to the times. They are a well-run company that is not so intent on promoting a product that they drive themselves into the ground.
 
I guess Uncle Walt was right! :eek:
(snip image)

You mean the same Walt Mossberg who, when asked why the brand new iPhone was missing support for something as common on the Internet as Flash, said it was coming soon?

"At launch, the iPhone version of the Safari browser is missing some plug-ins needed for playing common types of Web videos. The most important of these is the plug-in for Adobe’s Flash technology. Apple says it plans to add that plug-in through an early software update, which I am guessing will occur within the next couple of months."

- Walt Mossberg, Q&A July 2007

I'm not a big Flash fan, but I'm glad every single day that on my Android devices I can see Flash content whenever *I* wish. It means I don't have to skip websites just because my browser cannot view all the content. Such should be my decision, not that of somebody else.
 
One fact : the iPhone was released with no app store and no flash...

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One fact - the iPhone was at best a feature phone. Apple also encouraged Web Apps and didn't see how an App store could work. He encouraged Web apps to add functionality and offerings to the iPhone which Apple couldn't provide.

So I'm not sure what your "fact" even means. It's pretty irrelevant. The second Apple could monetize apps - they shunned web apps and then went after Adobe as well.

And technology aside - if you read the bio - you'll also note that there's a very good chance it was a personal vendetta as Jobs felt Adobe gave Apple the shaft back when it wouldn't make versions of Photoshop, etc for the Mac after Jobs' relationship with Adobe.

And Steve wasn't exactly the type of guy to let go of things....
 
This is the title of your article:

"Adobe Discontinues Development of Flash Player on Mobile Devices"

Would it have been more correct if it had read: Adobe Discontinues Development of Flash Player on Apple's Mobile Devices?

No, that would have been less correct. Adobe is discontinuing development of Flash Player on all Mobile Devices. They are switching to standalone apps and HTML5.
 
Everyone proclaiming the death of Flash for video - can you show me how to implement DRM in my embedded videos without using Flash or another plugin?

No?

Looks like all the online streaming video sites will continue to use Flash then.
 
I would think by now that if a web site does not have a plan to move away from flash or at least offer an alternative viewing method for mobile devices has their head in the sand or are just plain lazy. Moving forward now.
 
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