cateye
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The software phones home once every 30 days to check the status of your subscription. Otherwise, you do not need an active internet connection.
This is all in Adobe's FAQ.
EDIT: oops, KBMB beat me to it.
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The software phones home once every 30 days to check the status of your subscription. Otherwise, you do not need an active internet connection.
This is all in Adobe's FAQ.
EDIT: oops, KBMB beat me to it.
I get the feeling that most people that complain about the price aren't Design/Video/Animation/Web professionals. I understand for students it can be an issue but they get discounts.
For me since I already owned a previous Creative Suite, the $30/mo is a no-brainer. $360 for unrestricted access to ANY of the CS applications for a year is a fantastic deal considering I can make up that cost in a few hours and write it off at tax time. 🙂
For me since I already owned a previous Creative Suite, the $30/mo is a no-brainer. $360 for unrestricted access to ANY of the CS applications for a year is a fantastic deal considering I can make up that cost in a few hours and write it off at tax time. 🙂
nutmac
macrumors 603
Adobe's Creative Cloud costs $50/month ($30/month for first year) for $2640 worth of software ($2600 desktop and $40 mobile) and web services with 20GB storage.
Apple's entire portfolio of software costs $1022 ($975 for desktop and $47 for mobile) and 15GB iCloud costs $20/year (25 GB is $40). If Apple were to offer subscription-based model at same ratio to Adobe's, it would be $20/month.
Awesome. Sounds good. That might be an option. $600/year versus $1300 for the "Design Standard" retail package. And you can download Flash or Audition for the 1 time a year you might need it rather than having to get a more expensive retail bundle. Hmm.
Business value...?
There has been talk of how $600 (or probably £600 if you're in the UK...) can be paid for with just one job...
True and a business model can be built from this.
But £600 is £600 (sorry I'm in the UK and we're used to the $ Adobe rate being nigh on the UK Adobe £ rate) and I don't need the whole suite.
Instead I need PS4 then I'm upgrading to PS6 and then I'll wait a few years probably until Adobe do enough to warrant my hard earned £ again.
Value is not good value if you don't want or need the expense - whether or not you can find a way to afford it.
The swell of discontent is rising and the last thing Adobe needs is for a reliable client base to start looking elsewhere when ordinarily they wouldn't have.
Sure they lead the way at the moment but if other developers feel there is a sway then surely new alternatives will rise and... oops... there goes the monopoly.
There has been talk of how $600 (or probably £600 if you're in the UK...) can be paid for with just one job...
True and a business model can be built from this.
But £600 is £600 (sorry I'm in the UK and we're used to the $ Adobe rate being nigh on the UK Adobe £ rate) and I don't need the whole suite.
Instead I need PS4 then I'm upgrading to PS6 and then I'll wait a few years probably until Adobe do enough to warrant my hard earned £ again.
Value is not good value if you don't want or need the expense - whether or not you can find a way to afford it.
The swell of discontent is rising and the last thing Adobe needs is for a reliable client base to start looking elsewhere when ordinarily they wouldn't have.
Sure they lead the way at the moment but if other developers feel there is a sway then surely new alternatives will rise and... oops... there goes the monopoly.
netnothing
macrumors 68040
But if you buy three of the mobile apps and sign in to them....you get a 1 month credit to CC.
-Kevin
Jessica Lares
macrumors G3
Apple's software just isn't that good though. Aperture is very basic for my needs, especially when I use Photoshop for not just touching up photography, but also website mockups, UV mapping, and editing/coloring drawings.
You're still getting much more with the Adobe subscription.
doug in albq
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In recent years it has become quite trendy to whine about anything Adobe-related.
This started precisely when Steve Jobs started hating on Adobe.
Ironic, because Mac used to be THE platform for most creative professionals, and still is, but not as much as in the past.
I am not a huge fan of the subscription model, instead choosing to upgrade every other major CS release.
It does sort of suck that no other software company can create anything that even comes close to the Adobe suite of products.
Pixelmator--give me a break, not even close and never will be, and that is just a photoshop competitor. What about all the other apps?
If one does not use Adobe products, one is most likely not a creative professional.
This started precisely when Steve Jobs started hating on Adobe.
Ironic, because Mac used to be THE platform for most creative professionals, and still is, but not as much as in the past.
I am not a huge fan of the subscription model, instead choosing to upgrade every other major CS release.
It does sort of suck that no other software company can create anything that even comes close to the Adobe suite of products.
Pixelmator--give me a break, not even close and never will be, and that is just a photoshop competitor. What about all the other apps?
If one does not use Adobe products, one is most likely not a creative professional.
Ive owned Photoshop as a professional since version 4 and paid for 5, 7, CS2, CS3, CS4, CS5* and used it in school since version 2. Its not so much an issue of cost, but lets say CS7 is a buggy or maybe it just doesnt have features you want or need. In the current model I can choose to upgrade or not 5.5 for example had zero value to me so I didnt upgrade. If you jump on the Creative Cloud treadmill thats no longer an option Im paying for every upgrade for every app from here on out regardless of my need for the app or the new features. Worse still theres no way to jump off without Adobe double dipping (whatever you paid monthly to that point + the upgrade price).
* My upgrade history would seem to indicate one that aligns with this new subscription model, but that reflects a time when I was doing a considerable amount of Flash development.
Sounds like a good deal to me. If you already have a licence it's $360 for the first year. Then $600 for each subsequent year. Which is about the same as upgrade pricing, but you always have the latest version. If you don't already have a licence that it's a really good deal. $600/year versus anywhere from $1300-$2600 depending on what bundle you go for. So either way, you save a ton your first year. And each subsequent year is about the same as regular upgrade pricing. And you don't have to worry about buying Design Standard and then finding out you need Flash for this one little thing. You can always download a 30 day trial I guess for situations like that, but it's a bit of a pain and only works one time.
The antipathy towards Adobe started much earlier than that try when Adobe was so late in supporting OS X, then the Intel switch, then 64-bit memory addressing. They also adopted a whole lot of grief when they bought Macromedia whose Mac Applications to this day havent successfully made the transition to OS X.
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Except Adobe doesnt upgrade annually. They are on an 18-24 month upgrade cycle.
Oh? I thought CS was on an annual release cycle? It used to be 18 months. Unless it's changed again.
My livelihood depends almost entirely on use of illy and photoshop. I'm currently on cs5 but can't make up my mind whether I should switch to the subscription service. Cs5 has pretty much everything I'll ever need and could probably easy survive without updating for a couple of years. I dislike any kind of monthly debits from my bank account unless absolutely a necessity. Think I'll hang on a few months before deciding
netnothing
macrumors 68040
I think it's an every other year for major releases....with the point releases in between.
They can't wait 24 months to come out with new features. With the cloud...they can release features all the time.
-Kevin
I like that it gives you access to everything. I hate the bundle model (like cable TV... having to buy a certain bundle just to get one channel). If you're a web professional you might spend 90% of your time in Photoshop or Fireworks, 9% of your time in Illustrator and 1% or of your time (or less) in Flash. So now you don't have to worry about getting the bundle that includes Flash.
You are correct. After 5.5 looks like they committed to an annual release cycle. So from a purely economic standpoint it isn’t quite the hit it was assuming Adobe can maintain their 12 month commitment.
CS1 - 9/03
CS2 - 4/05 (19 months)
CS3 - 3/07 (23 months)
CS4 - 10/08 (19 months)
CS5 - 4/10 (18 months)
CS5.5 - 5/11 (13 months)
CS6 - 5/12 (12 months)
source: http://blogs.adobe.com/conversation...-adobe-creative-suite-5-5-product-family.html
I wonder if versioning is almost an old-school geek concept these days. With auto-update users can forget about versions while the software just auto-updates itself continuously. And developers don't have to wait a year to release one huge update. They can released features on an on-going basis. So the whole concept of a big new release wouldn't even exist. Doing business that way depends on everyone being on a subscription plan though.
doug in albq
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All you naysayers are nuts. This is a phenomenal deal, especially since Adobe has switched to a yearly upgrade cycle. I've already taken the leap. Goodbye FCP, Hello PP.
ralphthemagi
macrumors regular
The day rate for a decent creative professional with a few years experience in the US, in a major metro area, is $800 or more.
You use Photoshop for website mockups? Wow, I feel sorry for you. You should try out Adobe Fireworks for that since that's what it is specifically made for. Fireworks CS6 is really nice.
Update schedule
Adobe's update schedule is now 12 months - I was told officially by a senior Adobe rep at one of their special launch events.
Despite the affordability for some it still comes down to an enforced upgrade EVERY 12 months rather than allowing us some flexibility if a particular upgrade doesn't have new features that make an upgrade worth it to the individual.
Adobe's update schedule is now 12 months - I was told officially by a senior Adobe rep at one of their special launch events.
Despite the affordability for some it still comes down to an enforced upgrade EVERY 12 months rather than allowing us some flexibility if a particular upgrade doesn't have new features that make an upgrade worth it to the individual.