Adobe Launches Creative Cloud and Muse, Augments iOS App Offerings

[dashiel]

It seems the people complaining about the subscription model are maybe enthusiasts or hobbyists...?

In one day as a freelancer I can pay for an entire year subscription, TO EVERY ADOBE APP...!

If you use them to make a living, then this quickly becomes a good deal.

Here’s a partial client list as a free lancer for the past 15 years: Disney, Sony Pictures, Warner Bros., Pioneer, Ford/Lincoln Mercury, Plantronics & Red Bull. I think I’ve got the portfolio to back up my claim as a professional and I don’t like this subscription move.

What happens when CS9 costs $100 a month? Once Adobe has you on the subscription model you’re SOL, you’ve ceded all power to them and you either pay their new monthly fee or all “your” Adobe software disappears.

What if CS6.5 requires a corei7 but you’re not ready to upgrade your work machine? Too bad you’re paying for it. CS7 is buggy and crashes? Oh well you’re paying for it. CS 7.5 has no few/no features relevant to your work? Doesn’t matter you’re paying for it. CS9 gets delayed a year? Ooops looks like CS8 is now twice the cost of CS7. Don’t think it can happen? Adobe straight up cancelled their previous subscription model

Jumping on to the Creative Cloud is a very tenuous proposition right now without a viable exit strategy (e.g. 18 monthly payments gets you a licensed copy of the version you signed up to CC with)

 

[newagemac]

Been there, done that. It's not for me. I like how Photoshop works, it's just easier to navigate compared to Fireworks. Fireworks is so crowded with menus and stuff right out of the box with just one little tiny square in the middle for your workspace. I personally cannot work in a program like that.

Well that's your problem right there. Just like in Photoshop, the default setup for Fireworks isn't very good. You have to organize the panels and stuff to the way you like to work. And you also have to give yourself enough time to learn how the program is intended to be used.

Just opening up the program with the default panels and arrangements and not taking to time to customize it or learn how to use it how it was intended doesn't work when trying out new professional software.

Imagine opening Photoshop for your very first time and using the crappy defaults it comes with. You would have the same problem. Fireworks is very flexible and you can make it look how you want it to. It has the full Adobe OWL interface now so you shouldn't have any problems configuring it.

The amount of time you save using a proper web and mobile design and layout tool like Adobe Fireworks compared to a photo editor and image retoucher like Photoshop easily justifies the small amount of time it takes to get comfortable it.

 

[Jessica Lares]

Well that's your problem right there. Just like in Photoshop, the default setup for Fireworks isn't very good. You have to organize the panels and stuff to the way you like to work. And you also have to give yourself enough time to learn how the program is intended to be used.

Just opening up the program with the default panels and arrangements and not taking to time to customize it or learn how to use it how it was intended doesn't work when trying out new professional software.

Imagine opening Photoshop for your very first time and using the crappy defaults it comes with. You would have the same problem. Fireworks is very flexible and you can make it look how you want it to. It has the full Adobe OWL interface now so you shouldn't have any problems configuring it.

The amount of time you save using a proper web and mobile design and layout tool like Adobe Fireworks compared to a photo editor and image retoucher like Photoshop easily justifies the small amount of time it takes to get comfortable it.

I USE the default Photoshop setup though, and I LIKE it that way. Setting up Fireworks the way I want over and over on the amount of computers doesn't make sense when I can get the same results by just opening Photoshop and using its tools.

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I'm really enjoying the Creative Cloud. There's some errors in Safari, but I'm sure that'll be fixed sometime. Kuler alone is worth using it. The automatic palette feature is awesome.

 

[fretdevil]

…and how do you feel about the fact that you are now locked in to an agreement wherein your software will continue to function only so long as you're making a monthly payment to Adobe? What happens 2 years from now if you decide you'd rather not upgrade to CS7? You'll have already spent $720 by that point (which is ~$200 more than the one-time price of a retail-upgrade), and yet you'll own nothing.

If you'd upgraded to the retail version instead, you'd own a license for the whole Creative Suite, which would enable you to use the applications for all eternity, or to sell your license to a third-party and recoup some of your investment. (At least that's my understanding of this new system.)

The cost of this subscription is negligible. If my budget did not allow this, I would consider your argument.

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I USE the default Photoshop setup though, and I LIKE it that way. Setting up Fireworks the way I want over and over on the amount of computers doesn't make sense when I can get the same results by just opening Photoshop and using its tools.

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I'm really enjoying the Creative Cloud. There's some errors in Safari, but I'm sure that'll be fixed sometime. Kuler alone is worth using it. The automatic palette feature is awesome.

Adobe could take a lesson from other vendors. Exporting a "Workspace" should be inherent to all pro grade software. With Corel Painter 12, I have 15 different workspaces, all suited to a specific task.